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[Kerry07]

Kuyt going is long overdue. Lovely fella, great servant, honest pro... but after not being good enough to be a starter upfront he should have been nothing more than a back up forward, not a regular in right midfield.

[Kerry07]

Just read this is in the Guardian.. and echoes what ive been saying.

"It seems poignant that Carroll will play on Saturday against Stoke City, the Premier League team who pass the ball longest and highest and who might still have the greatest use for his potency. As it is, hurling Carroll in among Liverpool's Suárez-geared short-passing attack is a bit like a classical orchestra deciding to recruit a heavy metal guitarist who proceeds to lurk at the front, mooching and smoking and producing the odd crashingly inappropriate power solo."


Thats a perfect summation. Carroll is a fish out of water with us, and Stoke, with their basic methods, is exactly the type of team that caters to his limitations.

[stmichael]

i often wonder how things would have panned out if Roy had been given 100 million to spend

shudders

[dawson99]

i often wonder how things would have panned out if Roy had been given 100 million to spend

shudders

We'd be struggling for Europa cup football with Newcastle and Stoke closing behind us!


oh, wait a minute...

[Thommo's perm]

Just read this is in the Guardian.. and echoes what ive been saying.

"It seems poignant that Carroll will play on Saturday against Stoke City, the Premier League team who pass the ball longest and highest and who might still have the greatest use for his potency. As it is, hurling Carroll in among Liverpool's Suárez-geared short-passing attack is a bit like a classical orchestra deciding to recruit a heavy metal guitarist who proceeds to lurk at the front, mooching and smoking and producing the odd crashingly inappropriate power solo."


Thats a perfect summation. Carroll is a fish out of water with us, and Stoke, with their basic methods, is exactly the type of team that caters to his limitations.

The Guardian. Oh la de da
It must be right if it was in the all knowledgable, finger on the pulse, middle class Guardian
You really are a bit of posh totty arent you?

[LFC2007]

Just read this is in the Guardian.. and echoes what ive been saying.

"It seems poignant that Carroll will play on Saturday against Stoke City, the Premier League team who pass the ball longest and highest and who might still have the greatest use for his potency. As it is, hurling Carroll in among Liverpool's Suárez-geared short-passing attack is a bit like a classical orchestra deciding to recruit a heavy metal guitarist who proceeds to lurk at the front, mooching and smoking and producing the odd crashingly inappropriate power solo."


Thats a perfect summation. Carroll is a fish out of water with us, and Stoke, with their basic methods, is exactly the type of team that caters to his limitations.

The Guardian. Oh la de da
It must be right if it was in the all knowledgable, finger on the pulse, middle class Guardian
You really are a bit of posh totty arent you?

Mate, seriously, his profile says he's a bloke.

[Thommo's perm]

Just read this is in the Guardian.. and echoes what ive been saying.

"It seems poignant that Carroll will play on Saturday against Stoke City, the Premier League team who pass the ball longest and highest and who might still have the greatest use for his potency. As it is, hurling Carroll in among Liverpool's Suárez-geared short-passing attack is a bit like a classical orchestra deciding to recruit a heavy metal guitarist who proceeds to lurk at the front, mooching and smoking and producing the odd crashingly inappropriate power solo."


Thats a perfect summation. Carroll is a fish out of water with us, and Stoke, with their basic methods, is exactly the type of team that caters to his limitations.

The Guardian. Oh la de da
It must be right if it was in the all knowledgable, finger on the pulse, middle class Guardian
You really are a bit of posh totty arent you?

Mate, seriously, his profile says he's a bloke.

Moans like a bitch

Anyway, who wrote the profile?

[Kerry07]

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/Liverpool-add-Spain-s-Athletico-Bilbao-Fernando-Llorente-to-their-striker-wish-list-articl
e854061.html

One year too late. Had we done this 12 months ago we would be looking at a very different Liverpool.

[red till i die!!]

Just read this is in the Guardian.. and echoes what ive been saying.

"It seems poignant that Carroll will play on Saturday against Stoke City, the Premier League team who pass the ball longest and highest and who might still have the greatest use for his potency. As it is, hurling Carroll in among Liverpool's Suárez-geared short-passing attack is a bit like a classical orchestra deciding to recruit a heavy metal guitarist who proceeds to lurk at the front, mooching and smoking and producing the odd crashingly inappropriate power solo."


Thats a perfect summation. Carroll is a fish out of water with us, and Stoke, with their basic methods, is exactly the type of team that caters to his limitations.

The Guardian. Oh la de da
It must be right if it was in the all knowledgable, finger on the pulse, middle class Guardian
You really are a bit of posh totty arent you?

Mate, seriously, his profile says he's a bloke.

at a guess id say its a ref to john kerry the politician?.

[laza]

Well if we are going to play the blame game there is only one person to blame.


Bloody Torres whose defection at one to midnight, which kicked off this mid season political overpriced Statement of intent signing in first place

[Reg]

If anyone is willing to pay 10 million for him I would snap their hand off in a heat beat.

Trouble is mate he'd arrive at his new club and not give a toss there either. Life bemuses him.

[Octsky]

watching Stoke game, Carroll diving in the box in 3-4 occassions,
blocking own's team mate shots twice, i think Carroll is our worst signing in LFC's history.
and Kenny's worst "signing" in his whole managerial career.
in term of the huge transfer fee and how relatively Carroll offers, this signing is disaster.
Comolli who sanction the signing should be sack right now.

i be v surprised and disappointed if we dont sign a striker this Jan.

[Kerry07]

Well if we are going to play the blame game there is only one person to blame.


Bloody Torres whose defection at one to midnight, which kicked off this mid season political overpriced Statement of intent signing in first place

Torres is a disloyal p'rick, but his leaving did not mean we had to rush into bringing in a replacement with a crazy last minute transfer dash. When we knew Torres was going, i dont think too many of us thought we were going to sign someone. There was no need.

We had just bought Suarez, we were sitting in midtable with nothing to fight for. The remaining four months should just have been a getting to know you period for Kenny and the players, introducing his methods to the team, and generally improve the mood of the place. Also during this period, identify the players we need to make us better, then in the summer, with the new funds (and the 50m from Torres), we have three months to sort out deals for our targets. Instead we rushed things, statement of intent may well have been the reason, unfortunately it was the worst possible statement as it ruined much of our credibility. Normally when u make a big money signing fans of other teams sit up and take note, the media likewise, and the stature of the team rises, but instead there was a disbelief that verged on mocking. The owners are very new to the game, and their naivety shone through with this transfer. They probably thought "we've only recently taken over the club to a big fanfare, we've just lost our star striker, we must appease the fans and show our intent and bring in an instant replacement". If this is so (and it does seem likely) they have got it completely wrong. You only need to look at the opening page of this thread to see the reaction. It was a signing that almost instantly removed much of the hope many of us had. With Torres gone, i was thinking towards the summer with great expectation., but that was stamped out when the yellow ticker went across SSN stating we had bid 30 million for Andy Carroll (the only relief was it had been turned down). Hoping against hope that that would be the end of it, we added another 5 million (the opportunistic newcastle guy who fleeced us knew about the Torres money). I felt at the time we had consigned ourselves to mediocrity, and id never felt so low about a new signing before.

As has been mentioned before this wasn't Andy's fault, he didnt sanction the deal. I have nothing personal againt him, he seems very well liked, and he was great with the kids at the hospital. Hes someone you want to do well. Its actually really unfair on him that this deal came about.. hes been thrust into an environment that is way out of his depth, with a price tag that is more than double his worth. Hes the 8th most expensive player in history. Its staggering beyond belief. It is easily the craziest transfer deal ever. This is the last post i will make mentioning this as i'm just repeating myself and it can appear like having an agenda against him. I think the fact most of us cannot get our heads around it is the reason we have kept going on about it, and we are reminded of it after every disastrous performance. Its also the reason why we would like to see the situation resolved so we can move on.

[eds]

Well if we are going to play the blame game there is only one person to blame.


Bloody Torres whose defection at one to midnight, which kicked off this mid season political overpriced Statement of intent signing in first place

Torres is a disloyal p'rick, but his leaving did not mean we had to rush into bringing in a replacement with a crazy last minute transfer dash. When we knew Torres was going, i dont think too many of us thought we were going to sign someone. There was no need.

We had just bought Suarez, we were sitting in midtable with nothing to fight for. The remaining four months should just have been a getting to know you period for Kenny and the players, introducing his methods to the team, and generally improve the mood of the place. Also during this period, identify the players we need to make us better, then in the summer, with the new funds (and the 50m from Torres), we have three months to sort out deals for our targets. Instead we rushed things, statement of intent may well have been the reason, unfortunately it was the worst possible statement as it ruined much of our credibility. Normally when u make a big money signing fans of other teams sit up and take note, the media likewise, and the stature of the team rises, but instead there was a disbelief that verged on mocking. The owners are very new to the game, and their naivety shone through with this transfer. They probably thought "we've only recently taken over the club to a big fanfare, we've just lost our star striker, we must appease the fans and show our intent and bring in an instant replacement". If this is so (and it does seem likely) they have got it completely wrong. You only need to look at the opening page of this thread to see the reaction. It was a signing that almost instantly removed much of the hope many of us had. With Torres gone, i was thinking towards the summer with great expectation., but that was stamped out when the yellow ticker went across SSN stating we had bid 30 million for Andy Carroll (the only relief was it had been turned down). Hoping against hope that that would be the end of it, we added another 5 million (the opportunistic newcastle guy who fleeced us knew about the Torres money). I felt at the time we had consigned ourselves to mediocrity, and id never felt so low about a new signing before.

As has been mentioned before this wasn't Andy's fault, he didnt sanction the deal. I have nothing personal againt him, he seems very well liked, and he was great with the kids at the hospital. Hes someone you want to do well. Its actually really unfair on him that this deal came about.. hes been thrust into an environment that is way out of his depth, with a price tag that is more than double his worth. Hes the 8th most expensive player in history. Its staggering beyond belief. It is easily the craziest transfer deal ever. This is the last post i will make mentioning this as i'm just repeating myself and it can appear like having an agenda against him. I think the fact most of us cannot get our heads around it is the reason we have kept going on about it, and we are reminded of it after every disastrous performance. Its also the reason why we would like to see the situation resolved so we can move on.

Can't disagree with any of this. Spot on mate.

What's worse is that Kenny was given another 50 million to spend at the start of this season and he pi**ed it away on rubbish like Adam, Downing and Henderson. I knew from day one he had gotten it wrong, and so had many fans on this forum. It was only a matter of time that we would slip into mid-table obscurity when we lost Suarez for a large portion of time.

[metalhead]

I think I'll take a little break from forums for a while, some moronic posts on here slagging off players and managers. Not only here but other forums as well. There isn't any sensible criticism anymore, just moaning and whining posts scape goating and slagging players off.

Best fans in the world yeh?