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[Thommo's perm]

Nice try mate but this is not a mistake, its a catastrophe.
Name me another clueless, inexperienced, useless, talentless, unproven carthorse who has had so much money paid for him?
It looks like KK has embarrassed himself and disgraced the good name of LFC with this bizarre and unbelievable signing.
What did he see that made him stake his, and our, reputation on this freak? Surely he must have watched Carroll before spending £35 million on him? Did he really think he could make a silk purse out of a sows ear? KK has split the fans worse than Rafa and Roy and its time for him to go if this is the best he can do.

WUM alert....on a cheesecakery scale

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[supersub]

KK has split the fans worse than Rafa and Roy and its time for him to go if this is the best he can do

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[Thommo's perm]

KK has split the fans worse than Rafa and Roy and its time for him to go if this is the best he can do

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[Reg]

All I would say is if Carroll needs so much time to metamorphasize from a Newcstle player into a Red then clearly he wasn't what we thought he was when we bought him - hence some folks think we paid too much. That much is obvious.

That said we don't need him to transform himself into Rudolf Nureyev so if he can't show he's up to the job by the end of the season then he should go. Either the talent is there or it isn't and 6 months is enough time to justify yourself. Dietmar Hamann made some very honest comments on tv before the City game saying Carroll has everything, size, presence, power and skill but its a question of how much HE wants to succeed. If HE cant be bothered, then ship him out tomorrow because that's not the Liverpool way.

[Thommo's perm]

All I would say is if Carroll needs so much time to metamorphasize from a Newcstle player into a Red then clearly he wasn't what we thought he was when we bought him - hence some folks think we paid too much. That much is obvious.

That said we don't need him to transform himself into Rudolf Nureyev so if he can't show he's up to the job by the end of the season then he should go. Either the talent is there or it isn't and 6 months is enough time to justify yourself. Dietmar Hamann made some very honest comments on tv before the City game saying Carroll has everything, size, presence, power and skill but its a question of how much HE wants to succeed. If HE cant be bothered, then ship him out tomorrow because that's not the Liverpool way.

Absolutely Reginald
The jury should still be out but many have already made their minds up.
I believe its in his own head. If he cant cope with it then he is useless and must go. Only he can sort it out. Obviously a run of games and some luck can change everything
I can remember Crouch playing terrible for months. It was painful to watch, especially when many were saying he was sh'ite and a waste of money ( ) but he came good eventually

[crazyhorse]

Andy did a shift last night.. ran his balls off for no reward all night. He is trying.

[devaney]

All I would say is if Carroll needs so much time to metamorphasize from a Newcstle player into a Red then clearly he wasn't what we thought he was when we bought him - hence some folks think we paid too much. That much is obvious.

That said we don't need him to transform himself into Rudolf Nureyev so if he can't show he's up to the job by the end of the season then he should go. Either the talent is there or it isn't and 6 months is enough time to justify yourself. Dietmar Hamann made some very honest comments on tv before the City game saying Carroll has everything, size, presence, power and skill but its a question of how much HE wants to succeed. If HE cant be bothered, then ship him out tomorrow because that's not the Liverpool way.

Absolutely Reginald
The jury should still be out but many have already made their minds up.
I believe its in his own head. If he cant cope with it then he is useless and must go. Only he can sort it out. Obviously a run of games and some luck can change everything
I can remember Crouch playing terrible for months. It was painful to watch, especially when many were saying he was sh'ite and a waste of money ( ) but he came good eventually

I actually don't remember Crouchie quite like that. Yes he had a run of nineteen (I think) games before he scored but he actually did some very impressive work during that time and really endeared himself to the fans. Can the same honestly be said of Carroll?

[devaney]

In reality Carroll, who according to some people terrorises defences, has scored 4 goals against quality teams prior to joining Liverpool. Possible a bit of an exaggeration because I'm including LFC when we were being managed by Hodgson! So there you go we pay £35m based on that and personally I do not believe Dalglish had a massive say in the signing. Comolli's record in the transfer market is not as brilliant as some people think.Take a look on Google to see just what he bought for Spurs if you need confirmation of that.After all Spurs did sack him! It is also rumoured that he was not totally responsible for buying Modric. He certainly bought some excellent players.Bale for example at £10m makes up for a lot of mistakes. Jol has also gone on record saying that he had no involvement in some of Comolli's purchases. So far Comolli has been partly or totally responsible  for five key transfers costing over £100m and he has one major success with Suarez to his name.The jury is still out on the other four.Draw your own conclusions.

[Johnny Boy]

I also think Kenny could have managed him better.
There was a lot of talk about lack of confidence, fitness when we played the bluenoses last year.
Carroll plays, scores. Next game is on the bench! Hardly a confidence boost.

[Kukilon]

All I would say is if Carroll needs so much time to metamorphasize from a Newcstle player into a Red then clearly he wasn't what we thought he was when we bought him - hence some folks think we paid too much. That much is obvious.

That said we don't need him to transform himself into Rudolf Nureyev so if he can't show he's up to the job by the end of the season then he should go. Either the talent is there or it isn't and 6 months is enough time to justify yourself. Dietmar Hamann made some very honest comments on tv before the City game saying Carroll has everything, size, presence, power and skill but its a question of how much HE wants to succeed. If HE cant be bothered, then ship him out tomorrow because that's not the Liverpool way.

Absolutely Reginald
The jury should still be out but many have already made their minds up.
I believe its in his own head. If he cant cope with it then he is useless and must go. Only he can sort it out. Obviously a run of games and some luck can change everything
I can remember Crouch playing terrible for months. It was painful to watch, especially when many were saying he was sh'ite and a waste of money ( ) but he came good eventually

I actually don't remember Crouchie quite like that. Yes he had a run of nineteen (I think) games before he scored but he actually did some very impressive work during that time and really endeared himself to the fans. Can the same honestly be said of Carroll?

Yeah Crouch actually contributed to a lot of other things and actually just looked like he was a short way of starting to shine. I can see nothing of that in Andy.

Weirder things have happened though.

[Ola Mr Benitez]

I think his biggest problem has been lack of mins on the pitch.

[Homebooby]

In reality Carroll, who according to some people terrorises defences, has scored 4 goals against quality teams prior to joining Liverpool. Possible a bit of an exaggeration because I'm including LFC when we were being managed by Hodgson! So there you go we pay £35m based on that and personally I do not believe Dalglish had a massive say in the signing. Comolli's record in the transfer market is not as brilliant as some people think.Take a look on Google to see just what he bought for Spurs if you need confirmation of that.After all Spurs did sack him! It is also rumoured that he was not totally responsible for buying Modric. He certainly bought some excellent players.Bale for example at £10m makes up for a lot of mistakes. Jol has also gone on record saying that he had no involvement in some of Comolli's purchases. So far Comolli has been partly or totally responsible  for five key transfers costing over £100m and he has one major success with Suarez to his name.The jury is still out on the other four.Draw your own conclusions.

I was gonna ask how much say Kenny had in either to be honest. Typically he is not a knee jerk reaction guy and I think that the owners were out to make a statement of intent to the world and the fans in particular, they needed a big gesture.

I think Kenny is managing him fine, what he recognises is the pressure Andy was put under and that his injury didn't help at the time. I think that he recognised that Andy is relatively young and I think has a lot of growing up to do personally and professionally and he has been given a wing to achieve this under.

The reality is though that he needs to start showing more signs of development and I think we all hope he can come through and achieve what he is capable of. I think a lot of the focus will be taken off him if we can get another striker in as well and we really need to be in a system that feeds him with the service he requires. It is patently obvious that we haven't been that type of team for years and we'll take a while to get there. I think he has a good 18 months to go to be honest as I expect width and creativity to be the major focus for the summer window. We're now an attractive prospect for the upper echelons of talent and I expect our team and system to be a lot less about grinding out the results as we did on Wednesday through technical strategy and dogged commitment and more about pulling teams apart systematically.

[Thommo's perm]

All I would say is if Carroll needs so much time to metamorphasize from a Newcstle player into a Red then clearly he wasn't what we thought he was when we bought him - hence some folks think we paid too much. That much is obvious.

That said we don't need him to transform himself into Rudolf Nureyev so if he can't show he's up to the job by the end of the season then he should go. Either the talent is there or it isn't and 6 months is enough time to justify yourself. Dietmar Hamann made some very honest comments on tv before the City game saying Carroll has everything, size, presence, power and skill but its a question of how much HE wants to succeed. If HE cant be bothered, then ship him out tomorrow because that's not the Liverpool way.

Absolutely Reginald
The jury should still be out but many have already made their minds up.
I believe its in his own head. If he cant cope with it then he is useless and must go. Only he can sort it out. Obviously a run of games and some luck can change everything
I can remember Crouch playing terrible for months. It was painful to watch, especially when many were saying he was sh'ite and a waste of money ( ) but he came good eventually

I actually don't remember Crouchie quite like that. Yes he had a run of nineteen (I think) games before he scored but he actually did some very impressive work during that time and really endeared himself to the fans. Can the same honestly be said of Carroll?

Crouch had some goodwill
http://www.liverpoolfc-newkit.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=14392
But imagine if hed have cost £35 mil...

[RichardLFC1]

Carrols biggest problem is he isn't scoring goals. Anyone who says it's his work rate let me ask you this if tommorow Andy gets a hatrick are we all going to say but he never tried hard he could have got 4 or 5. We will be thankful he's finally delivering.

He needs games confidence and luck

[Benny The Noon]

In reality Carroll, who according to some people terrorises defences, has scored 4 goals against quality teams prior to joining Liverpool. Possible a bit of an exaggeration because I'm including LFC when we were being managed by Hodgson! So there you go we pay £35m based on that and personally I do not believe Dalglish had a massive say in the signing. Comolli's record in the transfer market is not as brilliant as some people think.Take a look on Google to see just what he bought for Spurs if you need confirmation of that.After all Spurs did sack him! It is also rumoured that he was not totally responsible for buying Modric. He certainly bought some excellent players.Bale for example at £10m makes up for a lot of mistakes. Jol has also gone on record saying that he had no involvement in some of Comolli's purchases. So far Comolli has been partly or totally responsible  for five key transfers costing over £100m and he has one major success with Suarez to his name.The jury is still out on the other four.Draw your own conclusions.

Go and read Kenny's bio .

Comolli asked Kenny if he would like Carroll - Kenny said "Can you get him !!" so Comolli went and got him for Kenny .

Any player arriving is a player Kenny wants so Carroll is a player he wanted .