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by **Fauxy** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:39 am

gahh ive seen that friggin aquilani cash installment thing too many times

by **Sir Roger** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:01 am

bigmick wrote:Funnily enough I totally agree with rafa not playing him, because he isn't good enough. It really is as simple as that.

Yeah right
Rafa knows what hes doing
:eyebrow

by **bigmick** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:18 am

I wouldn't go that far. I've said on many occasions that the Aquilani signing was absolutely ridiculous IMHO, but now we've got him he obviously isn't good enough so it's hard to argue with not playing him.

It's interesting with the fee that we are STILL having the same discussions. In the latest version, we'll have paid 15 million Euros by June 30th THIS YEAR. So in laymans terms, in just over two months time we'll have paid 15 million Eur's for his "services". Incredible really, particularly as DD says this doesn't take into account the inevitable signing on fee (which will have been a couple of mill at least) plus his wages for the first season which will be 3m plus.

It really is incredible when you think about it, so don't is my advice.

by **Sir Roger** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:40 am

bigmick wrote:I wouldn't go that far. I've said on many occasions that the Aquilani signing was absolutely ridiculous IMHO, but now we've got him he obviously isn't good enough so it's hard to argue with not playing him.

It's interesting with the fee that we are STILL having the same discussions. In the latest version, we'll have paid 15 million Euros by June 30th THIS YEAR. So in laymans terms, in just over two months time we'll have paid 15 million Eur's for his "services". Incredible really, particularly as DD says this doesn't take into account the inevitable signing on fee (which will have been a couple of mill at least) plus his wages for the first season which will be 3m plus.

It really is incredible when you think about it, so don't is my advice.

Good enough for what?
According to who?
If Lucas, Kuyt and Ngog are "good enough" then your logic is flawed and probably illogical...
:;):

by **sixbuster** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:41 am

I cannot for the life of me understand the following-
Why sign a player with a dodgy injury hx?
Then when you do sign him, why not give him a chance to get established?

The logic used here confuses me, crazy stuff

by **roberto green** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:50 am

Dundalk wrote:The truth about his transfer fees

Four cash installments:

* €5m upfront
* €3m by 4th January 2010
* €7m by June 30th 2010
* €5m by June 30th 2011.

Base transfer fee = €20m

ALL THE ABOVE IN EUROS

Further Add ons include:

* €300k for every year Liverpool qualify for the CL from 2010/11 to 2014/15.

* €250k every time the player reaches 35 appearances; 70 appearances; 105 appeances and then 140 appearances.

* €1m the first time Liverpool either wins the Premier League or Champions League by 30 June 2014.

* 5% of any future transfer fee paid to Roma.

ANALYSIS (all figures converted to pounds using today's conversion rate)

* If Liverpool qualify for the CL every year from 2010 to 2015, a further £1.3m will become payable.

POTENTIAL EXTRA COST: £1.3m (Based on CL qualification every year)

* If Aquilani reaches 140 appearances, a further £900k will become payable.

POTENTIAL EXTRA COST: £900k

*If Liverpool win the league or CL by June 2014, a further £900k pertrophy will become payable. Is it possible that Liverpool might win the league and CL in the next 5 years?

POTENTIAL EXTRA COST: £1.8m

*5% of any future transfer fee to be paid to Roma. As an example: If Aquilani stays for the full 5 years of his contract he will be 30 years old. If he then leaves, it is unlikely that Liverpool will recoup theinitial outlay (due to his age). So - if we conservatively estimate that Liverpool receive half the original price, that would net the club £9m.

POTENTIAL EXTRA COST: £450k (5% of 9m)

*We have already paid Roma 8 million Euros. The total amount of the base fee will still have to be paid in less than 2 years!

CONCLUSION

The following is definite:

* Liverpool will pay £18m for Aquilani.

The following can also happen

* £2.2m will become payable as a result CL qualification/appearance levels

*£450k (or whetever fee we get for him) will become payable when Aquilani is sold. (This figure is just for the sake of debate - I'm not saying this WILL happen!)

The following is less probable but still possible:

* £1.8m will become payable as a result of winning the league/CL

POTENTIAL TOTAL COST OF TRANSFER - £22.45m

And this is not taking into account any signing-on fee. Phillipp Degen received a £2m SO fee,so Aquilani's could be equally significant.

Given Aquilani's injury history, who got the better deal here - Liverpool or Roma?

So in a nutshell to me it is

We paid 8m up front for Aqua and we haven't played him enough for his add ons to be paid to Roma.Our next add will come this summer BUT that's if we keep him which we won't, We will give Aqua back to Roma (like we did Robbie Keane with spurs) saving any further cost but at 8m what a waste for a season with injury and I know this is a cert,wait and see.

:cool:

by **andy_g** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:42 am

it doesn't matter if we paid 20 million, 5 million, 346 million or swapped him for an old panini album. if benitez doesn't use him its a criminal and inexplicable waste.

by **red_guy** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:05 am

andy_g wrote:it doesn't matter if we paid 20 million, 5 million, 346 million or swapped him for an old panini album. if benitez doesn't use him its a criminal and inexplicable waste.

Exactly... :nod

by **Ben Patrick** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:16 am

andy_g wrote:it doesn't matter if we paid 20 million, 5 million, 346 million or swapped him for an old panini album. if benitez doesn't use him its a criminal and inexplicable waste.

I cant believe how many fans defend him on this.
Or make excuses is what i mean. He only cost blah blah blah

well we lost a key player and signed Aquilani. And then never ever select him, even when we are struggling and you think maybe he could make a difference.

Seriously the most bizarre transfer i have ever seen.

And i though the Keane situation last year was strange.

by **bunglemark2** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:23 am

It's a phuckin' farce is what it is, pure and simple...There were rumours that some of the squad didn't believe he was PL quality anyway....obviously Rafa realised that a bit late in the day...

by **Rockthekop** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:54 am

Rafa has no defence here..it's bad enough buying a player at 20m who has a pretty poor injury record but to then decide to not play him and play a vastly inferior player instead is just down right bizarre.

Another one of his fu~k ups, one too many for me.

by **Dundalk** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:18 pm

Alberto Aquilani's agent has refuted talk that the out-of-favour Liverpool midfielder could leave Anfield at the end of the season.

Rumours have been rife that Aquilani could be on his way out of Anfield this summer after just one season on Merseyside.

The Italian international has failed to hit the heights at Liverpool since his arrival from Roma, and due to fitness and form has been unable to establish himself as a regular in Rafa Benitez's first-team plans.

However, Aquilani's representative Franco Zavaglia insists the proposed sale of the club will have no bearing on the midfielder's future at Anfield.

"I don't think Liverpool will dismantle the team because they are in an economic crisis," Zavaglia told Tuttomercatoweb.com. "Plus, Alberto has a five-year deal there. How can people say that he will be sold?"

by **Owzat** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:25 pm

Eh? If we're in "economic crisis" and have a £20m white elephant, why wouldn't we sell him?!?!? And what planet is his agent on/from?!? Like players on long contracts can't be bought/sold

by **Owzat** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:29 pm

red_guy wrote:
andy_g wrote:it doesn't matter if we paid 20 million, 5 million, 346 million or swapped him for an old panini album. if benitez doesn't use him its a criminal and inexplicable waste.

Exactly...

And those same "add-ons" would be conveniently brushed under the carpet in a few years time when spending is again touched. That is the total fee for the player, doesn't matter whether it is paid on signing, today or over three years, it is the fee that player will cost. You could adjust it IF he left and/or IF he didn't trigger clauses, but since none of us have crystal balls then we'll assume it will end up being what most people quote

by **bigmick** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:39 pm

Owzat wrote:And what planet is his agent on/from?!? Like players on long contracts can't be bought/sold

This may prove to be a particularly sticky sticking point should we ever conclude that a 20 million pound footballer sitting on the bench every game may not after all be the best use of our resources.

Given his injury record past and present, and given the fact that he'll be on huge wages at Liverpool and has a five year contract, I wouldn't be surprised if we're not exactly knocked over in the rush by potential suitors. Those that are interested may want to take him off our hands for significantly less than we paid for him. I suggested 5 million quid might even be as low as he might end up being worth a while ago, which predictably caused a few wrist slashers and stalkers to choke on their cornflakes, but we really might end up catching a cold with this fella. I don't even know if we'll be able to apply the "Keane formula" on this occasion to make it all seem less painless (The "Keane" formula: (x-y=z. Let x= 20 and y=12, then tie yourself up in knots and talk b0ll0cks trying to make z=1).

That said, I was never clever enough to understand the "Keane" formula in the first place, being the fool I am I always thought 20-12 was 8, but it just goes to show what I know. In the case of Aquilani, x will still be 20, but z may be as high as 12-15, so then the acedmics on here can produce some sort of formula whereby x-y=4 or something (4 being the amount of millions lost). Don't ask me how they'll do it, but i do know that "taking away the number you first thought of" will feature in the equation somewhere.

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