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by **DrPepe** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:46 pm

jacdaniel wrote:At least we wont have to pay the 300K for champions league qualification this year then..

these 2 can also be binned:

* €250k every time the player reaches 35 appearancs; 70 appearances; 105 appeances and then 140 appearances.

* €1m the first time Liverpool either wins the Premier League or Champions League by 30 June 2014.

by **lakes10** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:50 pm

there is lots of stufb being spoken in the press about him and none of it will they print.
it is all a bit strange.
I do know that when we was told he had a bug he was in fact very well.

by **Redman in wales** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:51 pm

maybe he also slapped pacheco?

by **bunglemark2** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:52 pm

Redman in wales wrote:
bunglemark2 wrote:As far as I am aware, we haven't paid 20M upfront for the guy...so until I hear or read otherwise, all talk of wasted 20M etc. is pure tripe.
I know somebody somewhere knows how the deal was structured, so at least the cash - or ALL of it - wasn't wasted. We might even break even.....That said, it is still a monumental phuck-up of epic proportions on Rafa's part. to have signed him in the first place...

Not up front... but that's what he'll cost us...

From earlier in this thread... Source AFC ROMA

Four cash installments:

* €5m upfront
* €3m by 4th January 2010
* €7m by June 30th 2010
* €5m by June 30th 2011.

Base transfer fee = €20m/£18m

Further Add ons include:

* €300k for every year Liverpool qualify for the CL from 2010/11 to 2014/15.

* €250k every time the player reaches 35 appearancs; 70 appearances; 105 appeances and then 140 appearances.

* €1m the first time Liverpool either wins the Premier League or Champions League by 30 June 2014.

* 5% of any future transfer fee paid to Roma.

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It is wasted £20m - those installments will still have to be paid, and there's 5% of any future sale.

Soooooo....if agreement is reached to sell him on before June 30th, the contract with LFC should be null and void as he is no longer a LFC player, correct ? AND, there's no 12M outstanding payment ?

by **DrPepe** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:52 pm

lakes10 wrote:there is lots of stufb being spoken in the press about him and none of it will they print.
it is all a bit strange.
I do know that when we was told he had a bug he was in fact very well.

put yer money where your mouth is , lakes - what is the unprintable stuff?

by **maguskwt** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:53 pm

We have seen glimpses of Aquilani's abilities and if he's fit I am sure he is a great player. The onus is on our medical staff now. It wasn't good hearing Kewell complain that his career was damaged by the handling of our medical team. This is the risk Rafa took. He trusted in the medical team to fix Aquilani. But looking at the number of injuries we had this season, it is not looking good. Nevertheless, if Aquilani were to make a full recovery I am pretty sure he will be a worthwhile investment. He's an Italy international and still young with good range of passing and skill. Needless to say I don't agree with Big Mick's notion that he's unsuitable for english football. Either he's not fully fit or Rafa's not taking risks with him because he's not fully fit.

by **bigmick** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:54 pm

Every time you mention Aquilani someone comes on and says "we didn't pay it all up front", as if all transfers in football are paid up front. Almost all are done in exactly the same way as we are paying for Aquilani, and it's worth noting that by June 30th we'll have paid 20 million Euros for him. Given that, I think we can put this nonsense to bed once and for all can't we?

In answer to Fauxy's question, he doesn't work hard enough, he isn't physically strong enough on the ball and he doesn't tackle. In the role he is trying to play, he doesn't contribute enough by a mile for me. I respect your opinion that he will turn out to be a "great" player for us, but sorry I don't agree with it. He did play very well against Portsmouth at Home, but unfortunately we don't play them every week. If we did, we'd probably have a good shot at winning the league.

by **kazza** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:54 pm

Fauxy wrote:What has he done to make you think he is utterly unsuited to english football? seriously

Because he was bought by Rafa. He had also previously said he was worth no more than 5 million :laugh:

Cannot argue with the (internet) expert!

by **maguskwt** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:55 pm

DrPepe wrote:
lakes10 wrote:there is lots of stufb being spoken in the press about him and none of it will they print.
it is all a bit strange.
I do know that when we was told he had a bug he was in fact very well.

put yer money where your mouth is , lakes - what is the unprintable stuff?

precisely, no quote or no source, no talk. Too much BS on here sometimes...

by **DrPepe** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:56 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:
Redman in wales wrote:
bunglemark2 wrote:As far as I am aware, we haven't paid 20M upfront for the guy...so until I hear or read otherwise, all talk of wasted 20M etc. is pure tripe.
I know somebody somewhere knows how the deal was structured, so at least the cash - or ALL of it - wasn't wasted. We might even break even.....That said, it is still a monumental phuck-up of epic proportions on Rafa's part. to have signed him in the first place...

Not up front... but that's what he'll cost us...

From earlier in this thread... Source AFC ROMA

Four cash installments:

* €5m upfront
* €3m by 4th January 2010
* €7m by June 30th 2010
* €5m by June 30th 2011.

Base transfer fee = €20m/£18m

Further Add ons include:

* €300k for every year Liverpool qualify for the CL from 2010/11 to 2014/15.

* €250k every time the player reaches 35 appearancs; 70 appearances; 105 appeances and then 140 appearances.

* €1m the first time Liverpool either wins the Premier League or Champions League by 30 June 2014.

* 5% of any future transfer fee paid to Roma.

-------------

It is wasted £20m - those installments will still have to be paid, and there's 5% of any future sale.

Soooooo....if agreement is reached to sell him on before June 30th, the contract with LFC should be null and void as he is no longer a LFC player, correct ? AND, there's no 12M outstanding payment ?

unless the agreement with Juve was made before January, in which case we've saved ourselves another 3mill

by **maguskwt** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:58 pm

bigmick wrote:Every time you mention Aquilani someone comes on and says "we didn't pay it all up front", as if all transfers in football are paid up front. Almost all are done in exactly the same way as we are paying for Aquilani, and it's worth noting that by June 30th we'll have paid 20 million Euros for him. Given that, I think we can put this nonsense to bed once and for all can't we?

just a minor correction... by 30 June 2010 we would have paid 15 million euros. Only by 30 June 2011 we would have paid 20 million euros. Hence the notion for 5 years and not for 5 months.

by **bigmick** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:00 pm

It will be interesting to see what Aquilani will fetch should we decide to cash in. I've rated him as low as 5 million pounds before, but it will be interesting to see (and hopfully we might get half our money back like we did with Dossena, who knows). Hopefully if it does come to that we can get an Italian team interested, I wouldn't think there'll be another English club exactly hammering on our door to buy him. He may go well in Spain I guess, but I think it will be back to Italy.

If money is as short as we're led to believe, 20 million pound players who don't get in the team when their fit and spend plenty of their time injured aren't much to us.

by **lakes10** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:02 pm

DrPepe wrote:
lakes10 wrote:there is lots of stufb being spoken in the press about him and none of it will they print.
it is all a bit strange.
I do know that when we was told he had a bug he was in fact very well.

put yer money where your mouth is , lakes - what is the unprintable stuff?

some on here are already posting it, it seems there is an idea that he is ready to leave the club, there is also talk that Rafa is unhappy with the player and has not spoken to him.
there is also other talk that once he was fit Rafa got his first real look at what he can do and was not very happy with what he saw, if he plays him and he is :censored:

it maks Rafa look silly, by not playing him he saves face. all that is only talk and not based on fact.

the only thing i know is that he did not have a bug when we was told hi did, if he did it was very short as he was seen eating out.

by **bigmick** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:02 pm

maguskwt wrote:
bigmick wrote:Every time you mention Aquilani someone comes on and says "we didn't pay it all up front", as if all transfers in football are paid up front. Almost all are done in exactly the same way as we are paying for Aquilani, and it's worth noting that by June 30th we'll have paid 20 million Euros for him. Given that, I think we can put this nonsense to bed once and for all can't we?

just a minor correction... by 30 June 2010 we would have paid 15 million euros. Only by 30 June 2011 we would have paid 20 million euros. Hence the notion for 5 years and not for 5 months.

Ah right, 15 million Euro's after the first season it is then. Makes all the difference

by **The Good Yank** » Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:09 pm

Could someone please explain how Roma would get screwed out of another 12Million if we sold him? Seems to me that we would still have to pay that. Even if we were to get say 10-12mill for him, wouldn't that money have to go straight to Roma anyway. In other words, it's all a big cluster :censored:

anyway.

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