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[maguskwt]

Every time you mention Aquilani someone comes on and says "we didn't pay it all up front", as if all transfers in football are paid up front. Almost all are done in exactly the same way as we are paying for Aquilani, and it's worth noting that by June 30th we'll have paid 20 million Euros for him. Given that, I think we can put this nonsense to bed once and for all can't we?

just a minor correction... by 30 June 2010 we would have paid 15 million euros. Only by 30 June 2011 we would have paid 20 million euros. Hence the notion for 5 years and not for 5 months.

Ah right, 15 million Euro's after the first season it is then. Makes all the difference 

Of course it does Mick, 15 million euros after 1st year is somewhere around 13.3 million pounds. 20 million euros after 1st year is around 17.8 million pounds. Too many times when critics want to point out the bad purchase of Aquilani (and I'm not saying it isn't) they would say 20 million pound player.

If money is as short as we're led to believe, 20 million pound players who don't get in the team when their fit and spend plenty of their time injured aren't much to us.

[DrPepe]

Could someone please explain how Roma would get screwed out of another 12Million if we sold him?  Seems to me that we would still have to pay that.  Even if we were to get say 10-12mill for him, wouldn't that money have to go straight to Roma anyway.  In other words, it's all a big cluster anyway.

not necessarily


we know fu k all about the deal really

[Fauxy]

Bigmick never really seems to respond to people who disagree with his posts

[Reg]

Why is it every thread turns into a negative slagging off session? it kills the enjoyment of visiting this forum.

Same people, same moaning and bítching..........

[bigmick]

Every time you mention Aquilani someone comes on and says "we didn't pay it all up front", as if all transfers in football are paid up front. Almost all are done in exactly the same way as we are paying for Aquilani, and it's worth noting that by June 30th we'll have paid 20 million Euros for him. Given that, I think we can put this nonsense to bed once and for all can't we?

just a minor correction... by 30 June 2010 we would have paid 15 million euros. Only by 30 June 2011 we would have paid 20 million euros. Hence the notion for 5 years and not for 5 months.

Ah right, 15 million Euro's after the first season it is then. Makes all the difference 

Of course it does Mick, 15 million euros after 1st year is somewhere around 13.3 million pounds. 20 million euros after 1st year is around 17.8 million pounds. Too many times when critics want to point out the bad purchase of Aquilani (and I'm not saying it isn't) they would say 20 million pound player.

But thats because he IS a 20 million pound player. When you buy a house you pay in installments, your mortgage. When you sell the house, you still have to pay back the bank the money you borrowed off them. We WILL be paying 20 million Euro's for Aquilani, PLUS add ons. This applies whether or not we sell him, whether he's in the team, out of the team, brilliant or useless.

As I said earlier, the idea that this payment system is in some way unique or unusual is nonsense. Practically all transfer fees are paid in installmets, this is why Portsmouth still owed us money for Crouch. The whole "add on" nonsense was dreampt up by the Rafapologists as a bizarre way of making the making the player appear cheaper than he actually was.

[Redman in wales]

As far as I am aware, we haven't paid 20M upfront for the guy...so until I hear or read otherwise, all talk of wasted 20M etc. is pure tripe.
I know somebody somewhere knows how the deal was structured, so at least the cash - or ALL of it - wasn't wasted. We might even break even.....That said, it is still a monumental phuck-up of epic proportions on Rafa's part. to have signed him in the first place...

Not up front... but that's what he'll cost us...

From earlier in this thread... Source AFC ROMA

Four cash installments:

* €5m upfront
* €3m by 4th January 2010
* €7m by June 30th 2010
* €5m by June 30th 2011.

Base transfer fee = €20m/£18m

Further Add ons include:

* €300k for every year Liverpool qualify for the CL from 2010/11 to 2014/15.

* €250k every time the player reaches 35 appearancs; 70 appearances; 105 appeances and then 140 appearances.

* €1m the first time Liverpool either wins the Premier League or Champions League by 30 June 2014.

* 5% of any future transfer fee paid to Roma.


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It is wasted £20m - those installments will still have to be paid, and there's 5% of any future sale.

Soooooo....if agreement is reached to sell him on before June 30th, the contract with LFC should be null and void as he is no longer a LFC player, correct ? AND, there's no 12M outstanding payment ?

doesn't work like that i'm afraid

Aquilani cost us £18m - we've just structureed the payments over a certain time period.

Roma still get their money either by

(1)  from us - ie even after he is sold, we still owe Roma money.

(2) from Aquilani's new club. ie the payments that have yet to be settled are transfered to his new club, but we would recieve less cash for him in doing so

for example we sell him for €20m to Juve on the 29th June

(and I'm gonna work in euros here as the break downs are in euros)

We'd have paid €8m to Roma, and the remaining €12m would be paid by juve to Roma. However as Juve are paying Roma, then we'd only receive  €8m from Juve in cash.

so: €8m out from us to roma, €8m in to us from Juve.

... but thats if we sell him for the exact fee we paid for him.

oh and there's also the sell on fee of 5%, which is €1m from us to Roma, if he goes for €20m

[maguskwt]

Every time you mention Aquilani someone comes on and says "we didn't pay it all up front", as if all transfers in football are paid up front. Almost all are done in exactly the same way as we are paying for Aquilani, and it's worth noting that by June 30th we'll have paid 20 million Euros for him. Given that, I think we can put this nonsense to bed once and for all can't we?

just a minor correction... by 30 June 2010 we would have paid 15 million euros. Only by 30 June 2011 we would have paid 20 million euros. Hence the notion for 5 years and not for 5 months.

Ah right, 15 million Euro's after the first season it is then. Makes all the difference 

Of course it does Mick, 15 million euros after 1st year is somewhere around 13.3 million pounds. 20 million euros after 1st year is around 17.8 million pounds. Too many times when critics want to point out the bad purchase of Aquilani (and I'm not saying it isn't) they would say 20 million pound player.

But thats because he IS a 20 million pound player. When you buy a house you pay in installments, your mortgage. When you sell the house, you still have to pay back the bank the money you borrowed off them. We WILL be paying 20 million Euro's for Aquilani, PLUS add ons. This applies whether or not we sell him, whether he's in the team, out of the team, brilliant or useless.

As I said earlier, the idea that this payment system is in some way unique or unusual is nonsense. Practically all transfer fees are paid in installmets, this is why Portsmouth still owed us money for Crouch. The whole "add on" nonsense was dreampt up by the Rafapologists as a bizarre way of making the making the player appear cheaper than he actually was.

The installments for transfer fees I agree... if we have to pay 20 million euros in the end then that is a 20 million euro player. But who talks about all those add ons when we qualify for champions league or when he scores this many goals or whatever when we talk about a player's transfer fees. That is just nonsense.

[bigmick]

Bigmick never really seems to respond to people who disagree with his posts

I answer less and less these days I'll concede that, mainly because people don't read what you actually write. I did answer your post on Aquilani about five minutes ago, which kind of demonstrates what I'm on about really.

Equally, as Reg said there seems to be little appetite for genuine debate any more. Long gone are the days when you respect anybody elses right to their opinion, people accuse each other of talking cr@p, not being real fans and the like. It does get to the point where you can't really be bothered mate, that's not aimed at you just the way it is really.

The Aquilani question is a good example of it though. If you even try and debate the player, his qualities or otherwise you'll become embroiled in this "add ons" nonsense. People trot out the same old stuff, even though it's been debated countless times already on this thread. Whether or not he's a good player just gets lost in the nonsense.

[rocky29]

its all rafas fault no-one elses.did u watch the portsmouth game he looked the best player on the park by a country mile. rafa has ruined any chance he had of making it..

[Sir Roger]

I'm less concerned by the fact he's injury prone than I am by the fact that based on what he's shown so far, he is completely and utterly unsuited to English football. When fit he doesn't get into our best eleven and it seems like a really strange way of spending 20 million quid, particularly when we aren't exactly loaded.

Time will tell for sure of course, (and I know it's early and all that) but for me he is in the "awful buy" column I'm afraid. Not exactly Dossena (then again who is?) but certainly in a similar category.

Thats rubbish! For the first two games he played he looked unsuited yes. But since then he has looked great. His first touch/passing and movement has been brilliant and he picked up man of the match against pourtsmouth.

The only reason i can see him be an 'awful buy' is if his injury problem's dont subside. If he stays fit and Rafa actually starts him more often I can see this guy turning out to be a great great player for us.

What has he done to make you think he is utterly unsuited to english football? seriously

bigmick doesnt like him, simple as:
"he doesn't work hard enough, he isn't physically strong enough on the ball and he doesn't tackle."
He's got two assists and a goal so far-
Not bad for a useless, overpriced sh'ithouse

[Waldo]

its all rafas fault no-one elses.did u watch the portsmouth game he looked the best player on the park by a country mile. rafa has ruined any chance he had of making it..

Rafa's fault he got injured in training is it?? Did Rafa go up and clobber him on the ankle?

No didn't think so 

I have a real concern about this guys ability to stick it and stay fit for a sustained period of time. After recovering from the major injury he had before joining us he has already picked up a few knocks and now this. Not good!

[tubby]

Injured again? Nice

I can't believe we paid 20Mil for a sicknote. No offence or anything but he is the Italian Harry Kewell.

[tubby]

Bigmick never really seems to respond to people who disagree with his posts

Hear hear 

[Sir Roger]

Injured again? Nice

I can't believe we paid 20Mil for a sicknote. No offence or anything but he is the Italian Harry Kewell.

Be honest
Dont you wish Lucas or Kuyt could get injured as much?

[parchpea]

I dont think Acqua was ever a £20m player and we knew he was injury prone when we gave him the contract to sign. In fairness to him hes not been given enough game time when hes been fit to play so its impossible for him to make an impact without his injuries on top. Its a mess like everything else unfortunately. Ive been critical of the player but by nature hes clearly an accident waiting to happen but is capable of moments joy while hes on the park (which aint often). He is what he is but the pain is we paid way over the odds for the lad.