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by **kazza** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:55 pm

made in UK wrote:Its a sign of the times that "knowledgable" fans are over the moon with mediocre players.

Its not hard to win the hearts of some, run around alot, play with fire in your belly and you have the makings of cult hero status. Feck in ell, I wouldn't dissapoint half the fans if I put on a Red shirt either.

Firstly it is "knowledgable supporters" not "knowledgable fans", and no one is over the moon. He had a good game against the bitters and people are saying so (no moon jumping going on that I can see).

Knowledgable supporters are supporting the team (good with the bad), knowledgable fans are the ones that seem to find fault when players have good games.

by **supersub** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:04 pm

made in UK wrote:Its a sign of the times that "knowledgable" fans are over the moon with mediocre players.

Its not hard to win the hearts of some, run around alot, play with fire in your belly and you have the makings of cult hero status. Feck in ell, I wouldn't dissapoint half the fans if I put on a Red shirt either.

You disappoint me now ...never mind with your replica shirt on whilst sitting in front of your telly..
:laugh:

by **Penguins** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:51 pm

made in UK wrote:Its a sign of the times that "knowledgable" fans are over the moon with mediocre players.

Its not hard to win the hearts of some, run around alot, play with fire in your belly and you have the makings of cult hero status. Feck in ell, I wouldn't dissapoint half the fans if I put on a Red shirt either.

Couldn't agree more. Not to mention the total hype a couple of good games can do no matter how ***** they are for the rest of the season.

I'll say it as many times neccessary. Hard work alone will win you jack ***!

by **Fauxy** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:05 pm

made in UK wrote:Its a sign of the times that "knowledgable" fans are over the moon with mediocre players.

Its not hard to win the hearts of some, run around alot, play with fire in your belly and you have the makings of cult hero status. Feck in ell, I wouldn't dissapoint half the fans if I put on a Red shirt either.

To be honest i wouldnt say he's won the hearts of anyone.. most people would still agree that he is still a mediocre player.

I just dont appreciate him being called a pr!ck.

by **Igor Zidane** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:26 pm

Liverpool442 wrote:I have been one of his biggest critics but to be honest I thought he was excellant in the derby, gave 100% fought all day and made some crucial interceptions whilst keeping the play ticking over. He is not world class by any stretch and is not a patch on Alonso but he is young and improving and although I would not have him starting every game in my opinion merits his place in the squad. I would compare him in a way to Fletcher at United, all their supporters hated him calling him Fergies love child but he kcked on and is now a regular in a team that has won the title four the last two years and reached back to back European cup finals (Terrible facts when you type them but unfortunatly true)

Agree with this . The lad has improved a hell of a lot this season and whilst not a word beater ,he's alot more dependable now . Don't feel worried now when he's picked in midfield . Only comparisons i can honestly make are with Anderson and fletcher of man u and i think personally he's better than that pair . Also think he's better than song and edmillson of arsenal , but that's maybe just me .

by **Scottbot** » Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:53 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
Liverpool442 wrote:I have been one of his biggest critics but to be honest I thought he was excellant in the derby, gave 100% fought all day and made some crucial interceptions whilst keeping the play ticking over. He is not world class by any stretch and is not a patch on Alonso but he is young and improving and although I would not have him starting every game in my opinion merits his place in the squad. I would compare him in a way to Fletcher at United, all their supporters hated him calling him Fergies love child but he kcked on and is now a regular in a team that has won the title four the last two years and reached back to back European cup finals (Terrible facts when you type them but unfortunatly true)

Agree with this . The lad has improved a hell of a lot this season and whilst not a word beater ,he's alot more dependable now . Don't feel worried now when he's picked in midfield . Only comparisons i can honestly make are with Anderson and fletcher of man u and i think personally he's better than that pair . Also think he's better than song and edmillson of arsenal , but that's maybe just me .

The Fletcher shout isn't such a bad comparison in that Fletcher was a very unpopular selection with that lot a couple of years ago and now he's turned it around. Can Lucas achieve the same feat? I don't think so, Fletcher plays in a team full of flair players where his industry, hard-work and attitude can be appreciated properly. Mascherano enjoys a similar importance in the Argentina set-up, and if he ever does go to Barcelona he will be an absolute beast who compliments those around him perfectly. Lucas will NEVER be able to perform that role in a Liverpool side with Rafa at the helm because he will always share the pitch with players of a similar ilk. Lucas is combative, hard-working, keeps things simple, is not particularly skillful, seems to like the English game and is at his best in a game where the opp has the ball for the majority and we're playing on the counter. Unfortunately his midfield parnter (Masch) has many of the same qualities (except he's much better at it), same goes for Kuyt, combative, hard-working, a battler, but limited ability with the ball. Throw in Aurelio (who has played his share of games at Left-mid when fit this season) and you've got a VERY pedestrian/defensive midfield on your hands. I've no doubt that some of the criticism that comes his way is well over the top but Lucas will NEVER be appreciated by the majority of LFC fans while he shares a pitch with so many teammates of a similar ilk.

by **made in UK** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:25 am

kazza wrote:
made in UK wrote:Its a sign of the times that "knowledgable" fans are over the moon with mediocre players.

Its not hard to win the hearts of some, run around alot, play with fire in your belly and you have the makings of cult hero status. Feck in ell, I wouldn't dissapoint half the fans if I put on a Red shirt either.

Firstly it is "knowledgable supporters" not "knowledgable fans", and no one is over the moon. He had a good game against the bitters and people are saying so (no moon jumping going on that I can see).

Knowledgable supporters are supporting the team (good with the bad), knowledgable fans are the ones that seem to find fault when players have good games.

Seen as you are being pedantic about my literacy Kazza, the word fan is a contraction of the word fanatic.

Now I can't speak for eveyone but I'd hazard a guess most people are fanatical about LFC on here. Hence the reason why I used that word. :;):

by **kazza** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:28 am

made in UK wrote:
kazza wrote:
made in UK wrote:Its a sign of the times that "knowledgable" fans are over the moon with mediocre players.

Its not hard to win the hearts of some, run around alot, play with fire in your belly and you have the makings of cult hero status. Feck in ell, I wouldn't dissapoint half the fans if I put on a Red shirt either.

Firstly it is "knowledgable supporters" not "knowledgable fans", and no one is over the moon. He had a good game against the bitters and people are saying so (no moon jumping going on that I can see).

Knowledgable supporters are supporting the team (good with the bad), knowledgable fans are the ones that seem to find fault when players have good games.

Seen as you are being pedantic about my literacy Kazza, the word fan is a contraction of the word fanatic.

Now I can't speak for eveyone but I'd hazard a guess most people are fanatical about LFC on here. Hence the reason why I used that word.

Fair enough Bam in that case call me a supporter and a fan(I speak for myself obviously) but if asked what I am, I would say Liverpool supporter.

by **Rimetto_** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:21 am

Scottbot wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
Liverpool442 wrote:I have been one of his biggest critics but to be honest I thought he was excellant in the derby, gave 100% fought all day and made some crucial interceptions whilst keeping the play ticking over. He is not world class by any stretch and is not a patch on Alonso but he is young and improving and although I would not have him starting every game in my opinion merits his place in the squad. I would compare him in a way to Fletcher at United, all their supporters hated him calling him Fergies love child but he kcked on and is now a regular in a team that has won the title four the last two years and reached back to back European cup finals (Terrible facts when you type them but unfortunatly true)

Agree with this . The lad has improved a hell of a lot this season and whilst not a word beater ,he's alot more dependable now . Don't feel worried now when he's picked in midfield . Only comparisons i can honestly make are with Anderson and fletcher of man u and i think personally he's better than that pair . Also think he's better than song and edmillson of arsenal , but that's maybe just me .

The Fletcher shout isn't such a bad comparison in that Fletcher was a very unpopular selection with that lot a couple of years ago and now he's turned it around. Can Lucas achieve the same feat? I don't think so, Fletcher plays in a team full of flair players where his industry, hard-work and attitude can be appreciated properly. Mascherano enjoys a similar importance in the Argentina set-up, and if he ever does go to Barcelona he will be an absolute beast who compliments those around him perfectly. Lucas will NEVER be able to perform that role in a Liverpool side with Rafa at the helm because he will always share the pitch with players of a similar ilk. Lucas is combative, hard-working, keeps things simple, is not particularly skillful, seems to like the English game and is at his best in a game where the opp has the ball for the majority and we're playing on the counter. Unfortunately his midfield parnter (Masch) has many of the same qualities (except he's much better at it), same goes for Kuyt, combative, hard-working, a battler, but limited ability with the ball. Throw in Aurelio (who has played his share of games at Left-mid when fit this season) and you've got a VERY pedestrian/defensive midfield on your hands. I've no doubt that some of the criticism that comes his way is well over the top but Lucas will NEVER be appreciated by the majority of LFC fans while he shares a pitch with so many teammates of a similar ilk.

this post i think sums up the problem we have in general with the current squad. We have to many hard working solid players but not enough of them have the added bit of flare that we are crying out for.

We need to back to the days when we had world class wingers that can open up teams or run the length of the pitch and still be able to deliver a quality ball in to the box.

I think the centre of the team has been sorted but Rafa has struggled to bring in any wide player with the class and consistency that we require to provide Torres (who's awesome in the air if given the delivery) with not only the distribution he needs but support when the ball is played up to him. We can not continue to rely on Stevie

by **made in UK** » Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:43 am

kazza wrote:
made in UK wrote:
kazza wrote:
made in UK wrote:Its a sign of the times that "knowledgable" fans are over the moon with mediocre players.

Its not hard to win the hearts of some, run around alot, play with fire in your belly and you have the makings of cult hero status. Feck in ell, I wouldn't dissapoint half the fans if I put on a Red shirt either.

Firstly it is "knowledgable supporters" not "knowledgable fans", and no one is over the moon. He had a good game against the bitters and people are saying so (no moon jumping going on that I can see).

Knowledgable supporters are supporting the team (good with the bad), knowledgable fans are the ones that seem to find fault when players have good games.

Seen as you are being pedantic about my literacy Kazza, the word fan is a contraction of the word fanatic.

Now I can't speak for eveyone but I'd hazard a guess most people are fanatical about LFC on here. Hence the reason why I used that word.

Fair enough Bam in that case call me a supporter and a fan(I speak for myself obviously) but if asked what I am, I would say Liverpool supporter.

No worries mate.

I think its good that we can generally disagree on something without having an argument about it. Don't get me wrong either I agree with some of your football posts.

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:42 pm

Was outstanding in the Derby. Really hasn't put a foot wrong in the last run of 10 games at least, and has been one of our better players all season. The lack of appreciation and understanding of his general play on here beggars belief. Football isn't all hollywood passes and tricks, flick and super strikes and vollys that fly into the top corner. His positional awareness is top class for the most part and an important attribute all on its own, more so than passing in his role, and only those who haven't a clue about the game would fail to spot this.

by **JC_81** » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:51 pm

Emerald Red wrote:Was outstanding in the Derby. Really hasn't put a foot wrong in the last run of 10 games at least, and has been one of our better players all season. The lack of appreciation and understanding of his general play on here beggars belief. Football isn't all hollywood passes and tricks, flick and super strikes and vollys that fly into the top corner. His positional awareness is top class for the most part and an important attribute all on its own, more so than passing in his role, and only those who haven't a clue about the game would fail to spot this.

Agreed. He has been in decent form recently.

Credit to the guy after a lot of the stick he's taken over the last few seasons. He's still a scapegoat for a lot of fans though. At the game on Saturday he misplaced a pass (probably his only one of the game) only for some di.ckhead with a London accent behind me in the main stand to shout 'That Lucas is fu.ckin useless'.

Everton outnumbered us in midfield, but Lucas and Gerrard controlled it. Lucas' problem is that he's predominantly a defensive midfielder and just not quite as good at it as Mascherano. Not anywhere near as bad as some make out though.

by **peterc1992** » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:57 pm

glenbuck patriot wrote:
kazza wrote:He's 22 and will get better. players peak from 28-32 years. lucas will get better (barring injury).

Are you really serious that you're gonna put up with another six years of this "World Class Midfielder" costing us points and games before you realise he is not Good Enough?

Try the Sunday League Teams around Kirkby,the players there will give more to a team than Lucas on a weekly basis, pick one that really takes your fancy, and then ask is He Good Enough to play for Liverpool,

When your answer is no, ask me why, i think he's a liability.

There may very well be a Brazilian called Lucas who is sh1t hot playing football, unfortunatley the one we got ain't him!

Got a Yellow for saying what i felt, probably get another now for sarcasm.

Fair enough if you dont think he is good enough but to say that the lads over in teh sunday league give more than him is the most retarded answer iv ever heard.If anything the good thing about lucas is that he does give his all.Im a fan of him because i think he will be good but you cant say he doesnt give his all every game.the poiint that other person was making about players peaking in their late 20's he is probably referring to the type of playing lucas is,gerrard peaked in his mid 20's and was class for the last 10 years but lucas's work goes unnoticed and his game has alot to do with confidence,he isnt like gerrard .He will peak a few years down the line but thats not saying that he will not be good untill then.He has done a good job for us this year and with the way your going on its as if he is the reason we are of the pace for the league title this year.tell me on game which you think he cost us this year?

by **only me** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:43 pm

peterc1992 wrote:
glenbuck patriot wrote:
kazza wrote:He's 22 and will get better. players peak from 28-32 years. lucas will get better (barring injury).

Are you really serious that you're gonna put up with another six years of this "World Class Midfielder" costing us points and games before you realise he is not Good Enough?

Try the Sunday League Teams around Kirkby,the players there will give more to a team than Lucas on a weekly basis, pick one that really takes your fancy, and then ask is He Good Enough to play for Liverpool,

When your answer is no, ask me why, i think he's a liability.

There may very well be a Brazilian called Lucas who is sh1t hot playing football, unfortunatley the one we got ain't him!

Got a Yellow for saying what i felt, probably get another now for sarcasm.

Fair enough if you dont think he is good enough but to say that the lads over in teh sunday league give more than him is the most retarded answer iv ever heard.If anything the good thing about lucas is that he does give his all.Im a fan of him because i think he will be good but you cant say he doesnt give his all every game.the poiint that other person was making about players peaking in their late 20's he is probably referring to the type of playing lucas is,gerrard peaked in his mid 20's and was class for the last 10 years but lucas's work goes unnoticed and his game has alot to do with confidence,he isnt like gerrard .He will peak a few years down the line but thats not saying that he will not be good untill then.He has done a good job for us this year and with the way your going on its as if he is the reason we are of the pace for the league title this year.tell me on game which you think he cost us this year?

every game he plays he is hurting us ,e v e r y game period.

It is no longer a player discussion but a manager decision and stubborness to admit he was wrong all they way with Lucas. He plays the most important role on the field the link between the parts of teams ,the position which needs to operate the whole machine and he is a total mess and shamble ,honestly it hurts me seeing him play i just pity the lad for being asked to do a job he can't do - it is all Rafa.

I'm also sick of that he gives all he got argument ,i don't care he is a workhorse ,god knows we have a stable full of them (AKA Kuyt) ,is it too much to ask from our manager to pick players which has both work ethics and Yes some skill?

by **Sir Roger** » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:32 pm

Rafa doesnt like technically skillful or creative players. He likes hard working, industrious bland players who do what theyre told
Lucas fits into this description

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