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Kerry07 wrote:Hes actually MINUS this season... played 26, 1 assist,

I take it your not counting his assists towards the opposition goals

Kerry07 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

teamleader1 wrote:

akumaface wrote:Kerry07, I totally agree with you. For those who still insist Lucas pairing with either with Mascher or Aquilani will do the job, open your eyes. Lucas tried hard but he just isn't good enough for us. For Rafa to continue to play him is a big mistake. I was supporting Rafa fully but his stubborness has now reached its boiling point. If Lucas is to play his current role, we will not make top 4. Lucas had played and started alot this season but i never see him take charge and done something with the ball. Passing sideway and backward doesn't help us in any way offensively. With Lucas and Aquilani so far back looking to get rid of the ball eagerly, there were no one to support Gerrard and Torres when attacking. Anyway, I had said before the season started that will anyone let this season slide to proof the point that Lucas is Shlt. I rest my case.

The fact that hes looking a bit better this season only shows to me how much we are underperforming.

To be honest if he came to Anfield with say Bolton he would be anonymous
hes an average player, whos lucky hes playing for a manager who hasnte got a fk clue.

Are you forgetting some of his performances last season, especially the one at OT when we battered them? Arguably MoTM in that game too.

Wasnt sure at first, but obviously you're on a wind up. **awaits to hear another peripheral figure Nigel Spackman was arguably mOtm in the 5-0 win over Forest in '88**... (or was it Gary Ablett???)

**Stephan Gui'varch was arguably mOtm when France beat Brazil in the 1998 World Cup final**

**Josemi was at right back in our 3-1 win over Olympiakos (i know he was as you can see him run away celebrating when Gerrard scores) and the scruffy Spaniard was arguably mOtm**

Its called "inspite of not because of"

What was remarkable at the Old Trafford game was that although ManU dominated central midfield with 56% possession, we bypassed the midfield by playing long ball which came off for us on the day....

1st goal - Skrtel 70 yard clearance Vidic fcked up, Torres scores
2nd goal - Gerrard ran with ball from midfield, one two with Torres, Penalty.. Gerrard scores
3rd goal - kuyt pass to Gerrard who Vidic rips down, sent off, Free kick... Aurelio scores
4th goal- Reina 70 yard goal kick which Dossena gets on the end of.


So... although we lost central midfield, and missed the poise and control of Alonso, our direct long ball style (for once) worked beautifully on the day.



This season vs ManU we played a shadow version, one whom 3rd tier Leeds tore apart on Sunday, and while ManU had 57% possession against us, they had no cutting edge with no Ronaldo or Tevez... and our graft (Masch chasing everything that moved), phenomenal atmosphere of the home fans which whiskey nose commented on, and a wonderful slice pass between two defenders from Benayoun for Torres to break the deadlock, when nothing was happening. As the media reported, it wasn't a pretty performance like all our games this season, but it came off.


When analysing a player, if after 2 and a half years you can count the number of contributions on one hand (goal vs Havent and Waterlooville, pass at St James Park, pass to Ngog, shot at Woodison Neville saved with hand, scuffed shot deflected vs chelsea)... from a quote "box to box goalscoring midfielder"... it pretty much sums up how diabolical he is.

Hes actually MINUS this season... played 26, 1 assist, 0 goals.. no passing range, powder puff player.. and an OG at a crucial period at home to Villa.

His "nothingness" had been devastating for the team, the massive downgrade from Alonso to lucas has shaken the rest of the team, in the most important position on the field, slap bang in the center.

LittleHobo wrote:people just hate lucas because he used to be terrible

right now hes outplaying gerrard every game

ok

metalhead wrote:

LittleHobo wrote:people just hate lucas because he used to be terrible

right now hes outplaying gerrard every game

ok

stmichael wrote:if it came down to performances this season, out of lucas and mascherano i know who i'd want in my side and it aint the argentine.

as previously said, i thought he was probably our best player against reading, especially when you consider he got absolutely no help from his midfield "partner" whatsoever. and yes i am talking about our skipper, who isn't a central midfielder anymore (especially in a 2) and hasn't been for the best part of 5 years.

Kerry07 wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

teamleader1 wrote:

akumaface wrote:Kerry07, I totally agree with you. For those who still insist Lucas pairing with either with Mascher or Aquilani will do the job, open your eyes. Lucas tried hard but he just isn't good enough for us. For Rafa to continue to play him is a big mistake. I was supporting Rafa fully but his stubborness has now reached its boiling point. If Lucas is to play his current role, we will not make top 4. Lucas had played and started alot this season but i never see him take charge and done something with the ball. Passing sideway and backward doesn't help us in any way offensively. With Lucas and Aquilani so far back looking to get rid of the ball eagerly, there were no one to support Gerrard and Torres when attacking. Anyway, I had said before the season started that will anyone let this season slide to proof the point that Lucas is Shlt. I rest my case.

The fact that hes looking a bit better this season only shows to me how much we are underperforming.

To be honest if he came to Anfield with say Bolton he would be anonymous
hes an average player, whos lucky hes playing for a manager who hasnte got a fk clue.

Are you forgetting some of his performances last season, especially the one at OT when we battered them? Arguably MoTM in that game too.

Wasnt sure at first, but obviously you're on a wind up. **awaits to hear another peripheral figure Nigel Spackman was arguably mOtm in the 5-0 win over Forest in '88**... (or was it Gary Ablett???)

**Stephan Gui'varch was arguably mOtm when France beat Brazil in the 1998 World Cup final**

**Josemi was at right back in our 3-1 win over Olympiakos (i know he was as you can see him run away celebrating when Gerrard scores) and the scruffy Spaniard was arguably mOtm**

Its called "inspite of not because of"

What was remarkable at the Old Trafford game was that although ManU dominated central midfield with 56% possession, we bypassed the midfield by playing long ball which came off for us on the day....

1st goal - Skrtel 70 yard clearance Vidic fcked up, Torres scores
2nd goal - Gerrard ran with ball from midfield, one two with Torres, Penalty.. Gerrard scores
3rd goal - kuyt pass to Gerrard who Vidic rips down, sent off, Free kick... Aurelio scores
4th goal- Reina 70 yard goal kick which Dossena gets on the end of.


So... although we lost central midfield, and missed the poise and control of Alonso, our direct long ball style (for once) worked beautifully on the day.



This season vs ManU we played a shadow version, one whom 3rd tier Leeds tore apart on Sunday, and while ManU had 57% possession against us, they had no cutting edge with no Ronaldo or Tevez... and our graft (Masch chasing everything that moved), phenomenal atmosphere of the home fans which whiskey nose commented on, and a wonderful slice pass between two defenders from Benayoun for Torres to break the deadlock, when nothing was happening. As the media reported, it wasn't a pretty performance like all our games this season, but it came off.


When analysing a player, if after 2 and a half years you can count the number of contributions on one hand (goal vs Havent and Waterlooville, pass at St James Park, pass to Ngog, shot at Woodison Neville saved with hand, scuffed shot deflected vs chelsea)... from a quote "box to box goalscoring midfielder"... it pretty much sums up how diabolical he is.

Hes actually MINUS this season... played 26, 1 assist, 0 goals.. no passing range, powder puff player.. and an OG at a crucial period at home to Villa.

His "nothingness" had been devastating for the team, the massive downgrade from Alonso to lucas has shaken the rest of the team, in the most important position on the field, slap bang in the center.

redbeergoggles wrote:Can we possibly have another scapegoat please ,one slightly more credible (in a not performing sense that is ) because Lucas is currently offering one positive in a season, that hasn't exactly seen us blessed with decent  performers ...

So can we find someone in keeping with the credibility issue thank you (You know someone who maybe did allow our Midfield to be totally usurped by the unrivalled power of  Reading ) and maybe not Lucas who in principal did adhere to the one precept we hold dear at Liverpool ,correct me if I am wrong but I thought it was  100% application ,albeit with limited ability but nonetheless 100% 

made in UK wrote:

redbeergoggles wrote:Can we possibly have another scapegoat please ,one slightly more credible (in a not performing sense that is ) because Lucas is currently offering one positive in a season, that hasn't exactly seen us blessed with decent  performers ...

So can we find someone in keeping with the credibility issue thank you (You know someone who maybe did allow our Midfield to be totally usurped by the unrivalled power of  Reading ) and maybe not Lucas who in principal did adhere to the one precept we hold dear at Liverpool ,correct me if I am wrong but I thought it was  100% application ,albeit with limited ability but nonetheless 100% 

Truly Wounded