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by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:04 pm

Bad Bob wrote:Ah, okay, I see.

That may be the extent of my contribution to this thread, as I know feck all about most potential managers out there. Suffice to say, I have an open mind at this stage but pray that--should the time come--it will be a football decision and not a business decision that prevails.

The last part of your post is the crucial one - for that we have to look at who would be doing the Hiring of a new manager and their extentsive knowlegde of the football world - would they look for someone who would help them out financially , sell a few players , bring down the debt , work on a cheap contract , be a yes man for them or would they look for someone who they want to bring success to the club and give them whatever they wanted financially ? For me im extremly worried it will be the first one and it would be someone they know and get on with and would do their bidding - thats why im worried it might be Klinsmann. But then they would first both have to talk to each other and agree on someone as well . That in itself would be a job .

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:05 pm

s@int wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:do you want to be responsible for me choking to death because ive just nearly dont that reading that Michael, im telling you here an now if that fella ever came near this club, im sorry but i would actualy jib going the game, an im being deadly serious,

Why Nanny ? If he is as good as Mick is saying whats wrong? Obviously if he is not as good as Mick is saying then there is a problem.

Saint he was woeful at Bayern with bucketfuls of money behind him , That team of German players that he managed in the world cup. i could of done the same mate, The Bundesliege is terrible on par with our first division imo, Im sure he had Effenberg there as one of his coaches an another top German player when he was the manager , He was an office lad , done nothing on the training ground an it showed in Bayern results thats why they got shot mate after a short time,

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:07 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:Ah, okay, I see.

That may be the extent of my contribution to this thread, as I know feck all about most potential managers out there. Suffice to say, I have an open mind at this stage but pray that--should the time come--it will be a football decision and not a business decision that prevails.

The last part of your post is the crucial one - for that we have to look at who would be doing the Hiring of a new manager and their extentsive knowlegde of the football world - would they look for someone who would help them out financially , sell a few players , bring down the debt , work on a cheap contract , be a yes man for them or would they look for someone who they want to bring success to the club and give them whatever they wanted financially ? For me im extremly worried it will be the first one and it would be someone they know and get on with and would do their bidding - thats why im worried it might be Klinsmann. But then they would first both have to talk to each other and agree on someone as well . That in itself would be a job .

I think they have most of that covered now mate. Everything bar the cheap contract part anyway.

Rafa Benitez has revealed that playing a part in helping to reduce Liverpool's debt burden was one of the most important issues he had to manage over the summer.

Liverpool's financial situation has been cited as a reason for the team's lacklustre first half to this season, with Benitez not given the funds to strengthen his squad.

He was only able to bring in Glen Johnson and Alberto Aquilani over the summer as he sought to aid the club's owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks by balancing the books with the sales of the likes of Xabi Alonso.

And Benitez insists it was vital that he understood the economic situation at Anfield in order to prevent the Reds suffering the same fate which has befallen Leeds United in recent times.LINK

by **bigmick** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:08 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Looking at Kenny now do we really think he would step into the job knowing the pressure and expectation that comes with it ? Not for me . He looks relaxed in his life now , happy and conteent to be involved with the kids and being able to do what he wants and to help Rafa .Taking the Hotseat is an all together different animal - an animal i dont think he would take up .

Remember the bit in the opening post about about avoiding the old "but he wouldn't come/do it" routine?

The point about him being gone from the game for 10 seasons can work in bioth ways. i remember when Keegan was plucked from the Spanish Riviera to take Newcastle from the bottom of the Championship to the brink of the Premiership, he had a freshness about him, wasn't scarred by years of mediocrity and getting stuffed by man Utd. He believed anyting was possible, and crucially he made the players and fans believe it as well. When the World looked at andy Cole at Bristol City or wherever the feck he was, they said he won't score goals at the top level, that was the fashion then. Keegan said he would and he did. He said Ginola would be a hit and he was, Phillipe Albert.

If Dalglish took it on, the players would jump out of their skin for him. If he won a few matches, instilled a bit of pride and gave us some belief, that'd be more than sufficient in the short term. Longer term, a trophy occasionally and a league title push on a consistent basis and he'd be home free. I actually think he could do all of that without spending a great deal of money.

by **bigmick** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:09 pm

redbeergoggles wrote:Lets go out and get Big Sam ,I mean if we are determined to shoot ourselves in the foot ,then lets go down burning ........................

Pass the blankets Red, we'll all have a throw :laugh:

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:16 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
s@int wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:do you want to be responsible for me choking to death because ive just nearly dont that reading that Michael, im telling you here an now if that fella ever came near this club, im sorry but i would actualy jib going the game, an im being deadly serious,

Why Nanny ? If he is as good as Mick is saying whats wrong? Obviously if he is not as good as Mick is saying then there is a problem.

Saint he was woeful at Bayern with bucketfuls of money behind him , That team of German players that he managed in the world cup. i could of done the same mate, The Bundesliege is terrible on par with our first division imo, Im sure he had Effenberg there as one of his coaches an another top German player when he was the manager , He was an office lad , done nothing on the training ground an it showed in Bayern results thats why they got shot mate after a short time,

I suppose thats why we got thrashed 5-0 by a German team in pre-season last year then Nanny

He wouldn't be my choice, but I ALSO SEE NO REASON WHY THE OWNERS WOULD CHOOSE HIM NOW EITHER.

Just because they were interested in him TWO YEARS AGO, doesn't mean we are still interested now.

by **redbeergoggles** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:16 pm

I don't think I disguised its texture ,it was definitely a blanket, used if Im not mistaken to put the proverbial fire out

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:16 pm

Sorry mick i forgot i had to post within a certain guidelines .What exactly did keegan win again with that newcastle team, lets also remember he also was able to throw money about for players .

Its not just Kenny being away for 10 years from the game - in that time the prem and the game has moved on leaps and bounds and the pressure has intensified 100% to unbearable levels within the sport now - pressure from the media,fans owners - for all sorts of things - would anyone ever want Kenny to be under that sort of pressure again .

And saint i posted that in the other thread as a reason that would put off a lot of managers - having to manage to debt with the selling and buying of players .

That debt will need to be serviced one again come summer - Rafa or if a new manager is in would have to help towards servicing that debt - hence the appeal is diminished a little bit .

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:22 pm

I don't believe it was the presure of football that got to Dalglish mate, it was Heysal and Hillsbrough that brought him down imo. He went through things no other manager ever has with dignity and pride and paid the price.

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:23 pm

By now yous all know how much i love our boss an still think he will turn it around for us, But if by chance he either walked or was sacked , i would like this man as our manager , we want to be the best in the world as Shanks said many years ago , well ok then ill have Lippi,

Marcello Lippi, Commendatore OMRI, (born 12 April 1948) is an Italian World Cup-winning football manager and former player. Born in Viareggio, in northern Tuscany, he served as Italian national team head coach from 16 July 2004 to 12 July 2006 and led Italy to win the 2006 FIFA World Cup. He was re-appointed as Italian head coach in the summer of 2008 after the disappointing performance in UEFA Euro 2008 under manager Roberto Donadoni.[1] He was named the world's best football manager by the International Federation of Football History and Statistics (IFFHS) both in 1996 and 1998, and world's best National coach in 2006[2].

by **bigmick** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:26 pm

Here's another name which sometimes gets mentioned. Predictably, some on here said he was "sh!t" but here he is anyway. Robero Mancini .

His first coaching job was with Fiorentina in 2001. He won the Italian Cup and finishing 9th with them in his first season. In 2002 he was poached by Lazio (Fiorentina were relegated the season after he left), and had to wait until his third season to win his first trophy for them, once again the Italian Cup. he did a decent job though, taking them to fourth in his second season and sixth twice.

In 2004 he was recruited by Inter. At Inter he won the Italian Cup in 2005 and 2006, the Serie A title in 2005, 2006 and 2007 making him Inters most successful coach for 30 years.

He is currently out of work and would in all probability jump at the chance to manage a big club in England.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:28 pm

Oh definatly it was all of it combined with the lot - read thommos book mate and think rushes as well - the pressure of the job was the final straw for him . It was putting himself up there in the public eye after those horrible events and then having to deal with the footballing side as well and everything that came with it . He took the Blackburn job as he stated he wouldnt have to deal with the pressure from the fans labelling him a saviour . Its also been rumoured that Moores asked him back before GH came in and once again when GH was moving towards the end and he turned it down but was willing to take a minor role with the club . There was also an interview on Sky i think or maybe LFC Tv not long after he came back to the club saying in no uncertain terms that he wanted the main job again as he was happy and relaxed in life and just wanted to help with the kids as their was no pressure and he could hide away from the spotlight and enjoy the realness and rawness of football and Liverpool .

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:29 pm

bigmick wrote:Here's another name which sometimes gets mentioned. Predictably, some on here said he was "sh!t" but here he is anyway. Robero Mancini .

His first coaching job was with Fiorentina in 2001. He won the Italian Cup and finishing 9th with them in his first season. In 2002 he was poached by Lazio (Fiorentina were relegated the season after he left), and had to wait until his third season to win his first trophy for them, once again the Italian Cup. he did a decent job though, taking them to fourth in his second season and sixth twice.

In 2004 he was recruited by Inter. At Inter he won the Italian Cup in 2005 and 2006, the Serie A title in 2005, 2006 and 2007 making him Inters most successful coach for 30 years.

He is currently out of work and would in all probability jump at the chance to manage a big club in England.

He was also one of the two managers the mancs wanted to replace Fergie with a few years ago, the other was Sven. Not sure if thats a recommendation or a negative to be honest

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:31 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Oh definatly it was all of it combined with the lot - read thommos book mate and think rushes as well - the pressure of the job was the final straw for him . It was putting himself up there in the public eye after those horrible events and then having to deal with the footballing side as well and everything that came with it . He took the Blackburn job as he stated he wouldnt have to deal with the pressure from the fans labelling him a saviour . Its also been rumoured that Moores asked him back before GH came in and once again when GH was moving towards the end and he turned it down but was willing to take a minor role with the club . There was also an interview on Sky i think or maybe LFC Tv not long after he came back to the club saying in no uncertain terms that he wanted the main job again as he was happy and relaxed in life and just wanted to help with the kids as their was no pressure and he could hide away from the spotlight and enjoy the realness and rawness of football and Liverpool .

I have read Dalglish's book mate and he said if they had asked him again in the summer of 1991 he would have come back!

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:32 pm

So noone likes me Lippi then

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