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by **bigmick** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:45 pm

s@int wrote:FFS Gerrard said he was leaving to win things

Masch has said he wants to win things and his agent has agreed terms with Barca...... join the dots

Alonso left because ?

You are the one that has not even tried to back up your argument. Anything you don't like .... "its spec-u-lation" yet you say Mach wants to go because of his wife......... show me the quotes where he says he wants to leave because of his wife!

The thing is mate I get sick of answering one of your questions only to be met with five even sillier ones.

For example you asked who had wanted to leave under Houllier ..... I answer and then you argue about ONE of them and then say "Gerrard saga was well over 5 years ago". OF COURSE IT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO, FKN RAFA HAS BEEN THE MANAGER FOR THE LAST FIVE FKN YEARS!

by **supersub** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:48 pm

s@int wrote:I am not in the mood mate ..... find someone else to argue with. You are just arguing for the sake of arguing

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:49 pm

s@int wrote:FFS Gerrard said he was leaving to win things

Masch has said he wants to win things and his agent has agreed terms with Barca...... join the dots

Alonso left because ?

You are the one that has not even tried to back up your argument. Anything you don't like .... "its spec-u-lation" yet you say Mach wants to go because of his wife......... show me the quotes where he says he wants to leave because of his wife!

The thing is mate I get sick of answering one of your questions only to be met with five even sillier ones.

For example you asked who had wanted to leave under Houllier ..... I answer and then you argue about ONE of them and then say "Gerrard saga was well over 5 years ago". OF COURSE IT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO, FKN RAFA HAS BEEN THE MANAGER FOR THE LAST FIVE FKN YEARS!

FFS Gerrard said he was leaving to win things

Read his book and you will see it was far from as simple as you are putting it . He felt liverpool wasnt progressing as a club back in 2004 before Rafa arrived and didnt feel he could improve as a player with Liverpool - 2005 he felt the club wanted to cash in on him and wanted to sell him to raise funds to buy other players - once again read his book its all in there in black and white from the player himself .

Masher - you posted a quote saying he wants to win things - the quote didnt say he wants to leave to win things did it ? As you have said his AGENT is doing the talking about him leaving not him . So once again no quote from the player saying "i want to leave to win things "

Xabi im pretty sure decided last summer he wanted to leave to pastures new ( so the statement i made about - us winning trophies wouldnt of changed his mind holds up pretty well imo) . So gets the chance to go to the biggest club in spain (his home country BTW ) and off he goes .

The one statement yet i have failed to see you back up is the "quite a few seemingly want to leave to win trophies" - is this in the current squad ? Who ?

Here is the quote

The fact that quite a few are looking for other clubs shows that they don't think under our present circumstances that we can take the next step.

Plus have you not also stated in one post he would get more money in spain yet in other quote from him saying he isnt motivated by money

by **bigmick** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:00 pm

supersub wrote:
s@int wrote:I am not in the mood mate ..... find someone else to argue with. You are just arguing for the sake of arguing

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:03 pm

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:36 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:FFS Gerrard said he was leaving to win things

Masch has said he wants to win things and his agent has agreed terms with Barca...... join the dots

Alonso left because ?

You are the one that has not even tried to back up your argument. Anything you don't like .... "its spec-u-lation" yet you say Mach wants to go because of his wife......... show me the quotes where he says he wants to leave because of his wife!

The thing is mate I get sick of answering one of your questions only to be met with five even sillier ones.

For example you asked who had wanted to leave under Houllier ..... I answer and then you argue about ONE of them and then say "Gerrard saga was well over 5 years ago". OF COURSE IT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO, FKN RAFA HAS BEEN THE MANAGER FOR THE LAST FIVE FKN YEARS!

FFS Gerrard said he was leaving to win things

Read his book and you will see it was far from as simple as you are putting it . He felt liverpool wasnt progressing as a club back in 2004 before Rafa arrived and didnt feel he could improve as a player with Liverpool - 2005 he felt the club wanted to cash in on him and wanted to sell him to raise funds to buy other players - once again read his book its all in there in black and white from the player himself .

Masher - you posted a quote saying he wants to win things - the quote didnt say he wants to leave to win things did it ? As you have said his AGENT is doing the talking about him leaving not him . So once again no quote from the player saying "i want to leave to win things "

Xabi im pretty sure decided last summer he wanted to leave to pastures new ( so the statement i made about - us winning trophies wouldnt of changed his mind holds up pretty well imo) . So gets the chance to go to the biggest club in spain (his home country BTW ) and off he goes .

The one statement yet i have failed to see you back up is the "quite a few seemingly want to leave to win trophies" - is this in the current squad ? Who ?

Here is the quote

The fact that quite a few are looking for other clubs shows that they don't think under our present circumstances that we can take the next step.

Plus have you not also stated in one post he would get more money in spain yet in other quote from him saying he isnt motivated by money

[/quote]
Parry on Gerrard :-

"To be fair to Stevie this hasn't been about money. Money hasn't been a problem. It's about his commitment and about a feeling of where he wants to be in the long term. He feels he has a better chance of winning trophies and being successful somewhere else . It's our job now to prove him wrong".

Mascher wants to win things, yet wants to leave. If he thought he would win things here HE WOULDN'T WANT TO LEAVE.

The fact that quite a few are looking for other clubs shows that they don't think under our present circumstances that we can take the next step.

Hyypia , Arbeloa and Alonso have already gone, Agger was looking elsewhere before he finally signed. Babel wanted to go, infact he was so desperate he asked for a loan. Masch looks as if he is going ....... I think thats quite a few.

Plus have you not also stated in one post he would get more money in spain yet in other quote from him saying he isnt motivated by money

I said "My guess is that Masch just wants to go, he knows he can get more cups, titles and money in Spain and it may make his home life a little more comfortable".

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:36 pm

An im laughing because i got a derby ticket today :nod

in there end but feck it ill just have to put up with 100 renditions of History

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:44 pm

s@int wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:FFS Gerrard said he was leaving to win things

Masch has said he wants to win things and his agent has agreed terms with Barca...... join the dots

Alonso left because ?

You are the one that has not even tried to back up your argument. Anything you don't like .... "its spec-u-lation" yet you say Mach wants to go because of his wife......... show me the quotes where he says he wants to leave because of his wife!

The thing is mate I get sick of answering one of your questions only to be met with five even sillier ones.

For example you asked who had wanted to leave under Houllier ..... I answer and then you argue about ONE of them and then say "Gerrard saga was well over 5 years ago". OF COURSE IT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO, FKN RAFA HAS BEEN THE MANAGER FOR THE LAST FIVE FKN YEARS!

FFS Gerrard said he was leaving to win things

Read his book and you will see it was far from as simple as you are putting it . He felt liverpool wasnt progressing as a club back in 2004 before Rafa arrived and didnt feel he could improve as a player with Liverpool - 2005 he felt the club wanted to cash in on him and wanted to sell him to raise funds to buy other players - once again read his book its all in there in black and white from the player himself .

Masher - you posted a quote saying he wants to win things - the quote didnt say he wants to leave to win things did it ? As you have said his AGENT is doing the talking about him leaving not him . So once again no quote from the player saying "i want to leave to win things "

Xabi im pretty sure decided last summer he wanted to leave to pastures new ( so the statement i made about - us winning trophies wouldnt of changed his mind holds up pretty well imo) . So gets the chance to go to the biggest club in spain (his home country BTW ) and off he goes .

The one statement yet i have failed to see you back up is the "quite a few seemingly want to leave to win trophies" - is this in the current squad ? Who ?

Here is the quote

The fact that quite a few are looking for other clubs shows that they don't think under our present circumstances that we can take the next step.

Plus have you not also stated in one post he would get more money in spain yet in other quote from him saying he isnt motivated by money

Parry on Gerrard :-

"To be fair to Stevie this hasn't been about money. Money hasn't been a problem. It's about his commitment and about a feeling of where he wants to be in the long term. He feels he has a better chance of winning trophies and being successful somewhere else . It's our job now to prove him wrong".

Mascher wants to win things, yet wants to leave. If he thought he would win things here HE WOULDN'T WANT TO LEAVE.

The fact that quite a few are looking for other clubs shows that they don't think under our present circumstances that we can take the next step.

Hyypia , Arbeloa and Alonso have already gone, Agger was looking elsewhere before he finally signed. Babel wanted to go, infact he was so desperate he asked for a loan. Masch looks as if he is going ....... I think thats quite a few.

Plus have you not also stated in one post he would get more money in spain yet in other quote from him saying he isnt motivated by money

I said "My guess is that Masch just wants to go, he knows he can get more cups, titles and money in Spain and it may make his home life a little more comfortable".[/quote]
Thats Parry on Gerrard not Gerrard on Gerrard - Like i say Read his book . Its all their in black and white .

Do you know masher wants to leave because he feels he cant win things with us or the fact his wife doesnt want to live in this country and once again has he stated as such in any direction or is it just words from his agent .

Hyypia has already left for more first team football

Arbeloa left to go home .

With agger it was all specualtion and the player himself stated he just wanted to play for us numerous times in the press and proved it by signing in a new contract

Babel wants to play first team football on a more regular basis .

So is it not more about playing football more regulary as opposed to them stating they want to leave to win trophies .

Your quote was still "quite a few seemingly WANT to leave to win trophies or we are sinking etc"

Yet there is nothing to suggest as such

Hyypia ,Xabi and Arbeloa already left .

So that leaves Masher who no one knows why he wants to leave and babel who wants first team football more regulary .

by **LFC2007** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:44 pm

I don't think Xabi left because he thought we were a 'sinking ship' (best PL season ever, some sinking ship....), nor do I think Arbeloa or Sami left for that reason.

In Alonso's case all the signs pointed toward him craving a new challenge and opportunities don't come much better than Real Madrid. That would lure anyone, but especially a native who's been away from his homeland for five years; had the opportunity not been as appealing perhaps things might have been different. If as we're led to believe he had difficulties in his relationship with Rafa, then that may have been another factor that influenced his decision, but it doesn't follow that those differences meant he considered us a 'sinking ship'. I'd accept that he may have thought the chances of winning something would marginally increase at Real Madrid, but then that's hardly saying much about us.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:50 pm

Do you know masher wants to leave because he feels he cant win things with us or the fact his wife doesnt want to live in this country and once again has he stated as such in any direction or is it just words from his agent .

No, which is why I put " my guess "

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:53 pm

supersub wrote:
s@int wrote:I am not in the mood mate ..... find someone else to argue with. You are just arguing for the sake of arguing

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:55 pm

s@int wrote:
Do you know masher wants to leave because he feels he cant win things with us or the fact his wife doesnt want to live in this country and once again has he stated as such in any direction or is it just words from his agent .

No, which is why I put " my guess "

Which was my point from the start and the fact there doesnt seem to be a fair few players wanting to leave "sinking ship " as you stated .

Babel and Dossena to get first team football to protect their chances to play in world cup - both stated as such

and masher who knows what is happening but we do know his wife has refused to move back to england with him .

by **Zidane** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:00 pm

The majority of the team is still proud to be playing for Liverpool, Masch for some reason isn't one of those players anymore and imo it is best for the club and for Masch if he is sold. You are right about one thing though, if we don't start winning trophies players will look elsewhere. Which is why I was disappointed when we were knocked out of the CC this season, I want silverware. Any silverware. I would take a fourth place finish if you could give me an FA Cup. The players need to feel like we can win something or like Saint said they will look elsewhere.

Then again to say Xabi and Masch would have stayed if we looked like we were heading toward titles is a bit of a stretch though. We looked pretty good last season. Xabi was going regardless you know he couldn't play for Rafa anymore.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:06 pm

I think we will have to agree to disagree Benny. I agree there are a lot of other reasons as well, but I stand by my point that if we were winning things most players wouldn't WANT to go. Most players would rather have trophies than money. We have gone three years without a cup , thats a lot of time out of a players career. When you are winning cups, you can put up with problems more than when you can't see where the next win is coming from.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:08 pm

Oh i agree most players prob all want to win trophies but will have to say that us winning trophies wouldnt of kept Xabi as Zidane said and it wouldnt be a reason for masher to stay (thats if he wants to leave ) . Remember it was only last season we came close and i know we are going throu a bad spell but im pretty sure the players know they are a good team capable of winning trophies .

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