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by **jim_morrison_supported_liverpool** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:10 pm

dont take the swearwords personally la, its just normal converstaion as far as i'm concerned.

ok i agree with the first point, but we've never had a striker that doesnt misschances, or scores every chance they get. he seems to miss more cos he gets in more goalscoring opportunities.

the point about whether he'll make the list of greats is pointless, as you say, it remains to be seen. whats the pointn in specualting. there's certainly no point makin comparisons.
no offence with the swearwords la.

by **kindaconfuzed** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 7:18 pm

Shanti

I've heard he dribbles in the toilet as well :Oo:

by **Dalglish** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 8:08 pm

Appreciate the comments Jim and your point about future speculation is pretty pointless on my part

I've probably allowed my private feelings about Milan to come to the fore here cos his comments over the summer about GH and barcelona being his dream move etc......although naive irritated me to be honest. I'd like to be proved wrong but if Baros has as big an impact on the Prem this season as he did on the Euro 2004 tournament I can't help feeling he will be away at the first opportunity.

Maybe it's naivety on my part to expect as much loyalty and passion for LFC as I have myself but then again I'm not a player, just a fan

Walk on ......

by **115-1073096938** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 8:34 pm

As for gimps like stu slagging him off its obvious he just doesnt know class when he sees it.

Only have to look at Cisse's performance tonight as it was terrible but yet nobody least of all stu would ever say that.

The goal was laid on a plate for him and he should have been buzzing with confidence after that but yet he was caught offside countless times like a headless chicken.

When Garcia played him in his 1st touch was shockingly bad and he did very little in the 2nd half except miss a glorious chance.

I am not slagging Cisse as a player just his performance tonight.

By the way I have nothing against Cisse as I think he will become everything that lump heskey wasn't.

You are taking the ******?

I don't recognise class? How many games u been to lad? Go to a game and then come out with comments like that. Class stands out like a sore thumb. Anelka was class, Owen was class, Gerrard is class, Hyypia is class, Hamann is class... Baros isn't. Baros is a good player. NO MORE!!

He's not good enough.

He took his goal well last night, i'll give him that, but next time he's in the same situation he'll probably miss when he could simply square it. His awareness of whats around him and the intelligence of his runs are none existant at times.

He has a long long way to go before he reaches anything like a first team regulars level.

As for Cisse... what game where you watching? I'm watching a player develope into a quality player and i see a player in the same quality as Pires having the same sort of start to his Career in england as Pires. A player who's lacking confidence but clearly has the ability to become excellent. He has everything and he's showing that he has glimpses of everything when he plays.

Baros has NEVER shown awarness, he often shows an erratic touch, he often runs down blind alley's and he is extremely overated.

I like him as much as the next Liverpool fan, i chant his name with pride at every match i go to but the fact is i'm blind enough to think he's something he's not!!

by **adayinthelife** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:08 pm

stu_the_red wrote:
As for gimps like stu slagging him off its obvious he just doesnt know class when he sees it.

Only have to look at Cisse's performance tonight as it was terrible but yet nobody least of all stu would ever say that.

The goal was laid on a plate for him and he should have been buzzing with confidence after that but yet he was caught offside countless times like a headless chicken.

When Garcia played him in his 1st touch was shockingly bad and he did very little in the 2nd half except miss a glorious chance.

I am not slagging Cisse as a player just his performance tonight.

By the way I have nothing against Cisse as I think he will become everything that lump heskey wasn't.

You are taking the ******?

I don't recognise class? How many games u been to lad? Go to a game and then come out with comments like that. Class stands out like a sore thumb. Anelka was class, Owen was class, Gerrard is class, Hyypia is class, Hamann is class... Baros isn't. Baros is a good player. NO MORE!!

He's not good enough.

He took his goal well last night, i'll give him that, but next time he's in the same situation he'll probably miss when he could simply square it. His awareness of whats around him and the intelligence of his runs are none existant at times.

He has a long long way to go before he reaches anything like a first team regulars level.

As for Cisse... what game where you watching? I'm watching a player develope into a quality player and i see a player in the same quality as Pires having the same sort of start to his Career in england as Pires. A player who's lacking confidence but clearly has the ability to become excellent. He has everything and he's showing that he has glimpses of everything when he plays.

Baros has NEVER shown awarness, he often shows an erratic touch, he often runs down blind alley's and he is extremely overated.

I like him as much as the next Liverpool fan, i chant his name with pride at every match i go to but the fact is i'm blind enough to think he's something he's not!!

It is obvious you have something personal against Baros and to try and say Cisse's performance last night was anything other than ****** shows you know little about football.

You claim Baros shows no intelligence in his runs,an erratic 1st touch and his awareness of others is non existant but yet that described Cisse's performance last night as he more than most should not be caught offside with his awesome pace and yet against slow defenders he was caught offside countless times.

You say Cisse is lacking in confidence but he hardly strikes me as lacking in confidence and after scoring he should have been buzzing.

Yet against west brom Baros showing good awareness put Cisse clean through on goal with a great little ball which Cisse hit straight at the keeper.

As for Baros' goal last night if that had of been your hero owen you would have been raving about him showing his class. :laugh:

What is your excuse for his awesome record at international level

No doubt all the keepers he scored against were useless. :laugh:

by **supersub** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:28 pm

Stu has a major issue with Baros and however the lad performs won't be good enough for stu.

On chances for goals ratio..Michael Owen had a terrible goals for chances record over the last few seasons,just ask Houllier.

by **115-1073096938** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 1:27 am

Nope, he didn't.

Check your facts.

And secondly, stop turning every post into an attempt to have a go at me. Its boring, it has been for months. If you don't like what i have to say, ignore it!

by **115-1073096938** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 1:50 am

It is obvious you have something personal against Baros and to try and say Cisse's performance last night was anything other than ****** shows you know little about football.

You claim Baros shows no intelligence in his runs,an erratic 1st touch and his awareness of others is non existant but yet that described Cisse's performance last night as he more than most should not be caught offside with his awesome pace and yet against slow defenders he was caught offside countless times.

You say Cisse is lacking in confidence but he hardly strikes me as lacking in confidence and after scoring he should have been buzzing.

Yet against west brom Baros showing good awareness put Cisse clean through on goal with a great little ball which Cisse hit straight at the keeper.

As for Baros' goal last night if that had of been your hero owen you would have been raving about him showing his class.

What is your excuse for his awesome record at international level

No doubt all the keepers he scored against were useless.

I have nothing against Baros other than the fact he's not good enough. I'm sick to death of knowledgeless idiots championing players that aren't all that good. Baros is a GOOD player, NOTHING MORE!!! He's in the same class of the likes of Murphy, Carragher, Henchoz etc etc.

Secondly, i know plenty about football. I judge players on ability. NOT FORM!!! Hence the reason i didn't rate Baros any higher or lower after the Euro's. I hadn't seen anything there that he hadn't shown for Liverpool. He didn't suprise me at all. Not in the slightest, thats the reason i put a fiver on him at 60 to 1 to be the top goalscorer. A good player, playing in a very good side.

How many times was Cisse caught offside? Check your facts. Also, you won't hear me saying Cisse doesn't need to work on that side of his game untill i've seen more of him. Cisse however has shown bits of everything in his game. Its just a case of it all coming together.

Cisse hardly strikes you as lacking in confidence? Well ok lad, you go an replace one of the worlds best strikers and an anfield legend with a 14million pound price tag and see if after 5 or 6 games you can totally relax into your normal game... Not many players can. He'll start to relax more half way through the season.

Your comment on Baros showing awarenss... it was hardly awareness lad. Cisse ran infront of him, screamed for a pass and got it. You wanna see awareness? Watch Garcia... You wanna see a lack of it? Watch Baros!!! Big difference. The amount of times Milan holds the ball when he should pass is shocking and also his general link up play is very average to be polite.

Excuse for his record at international level? Right theres no excuse. He's done well. He's a good player as i've said many times with some excellent attributes. The fact that he's playing with Rosicky... Koller... Nedved counts for nothing? I tell you what... i'd be suprised if Andy Cole wouldn't have a similar record playing for the czechs in his prime. Also, look at the teams he's scored against and look at the number of games he's started and played in. Check his competative stats aswell lad.

Baros' goal last night... erm... wrong again lad. Had Baros missed and not squared the ball i'd have gone mad. Had Owen, or Kewell, or Gerrard or Fowler, Or McManaman when they played for us done the same, i'd go mad. I was ****** off with Luis Garcia the other day, but at least he had a reason, Baros didnt. Had he squared that i'd have thought more of him as an individual and thought he'd improved an aspect of his game. But the fact is he didn't. He took his chance though, i just hope next time he does whats best for the team and not what he thinks is best for himself.

Whoever said all the goalkeepers he scored against were useless? All i said was, Sorensen made two massive mistakes. Which he did. If that was a goalkeeper for my team, i'd have gone mad at them. If you actually watched with a neutral mind instead of championing Baros you'd see both goals were partially down to bad goalkeeping. The first was down to him not reading the pass and he stayed in his 6 yard box. He had plenty of time to come off his line but he chose to stay which was bad goalkeeping. Then the second he went down far to early.

I myself was made up with Milan at the Euro's. I was cheering him on every game and was made up for him. However, when everyone came back on here telling us all how he should start, i still said it should have been Owen and Cisse. Now we have Garcia and Cisse, both are better players and both should start ahead of him.

by **anfieldadorer** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:31 am

stu_the_red wrote:And secondly, stop turning every post into an attempt to have a go at me. Its boring, it has been for months. If you don't like what i have to say, ignore it!

(no offense stu, it's just funny)

by **azriahmad** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:20 am

Anfieldadorer, you always never fail to see the funny side of things!

BTW, what's with you and John Lennon? I liked the Beatles songs and they wrote like 34 or 38 no.1s in the UK ans USA and I don't think this will ever be surpassed. Lennon-McCartney partnership was spurred by their rivalry as much as them being complimentary for each other. Unfortunately for McCartney. Lennon died a long time ago and has since been remembered with more reverence than McCartney. Funny how people tend to over-glorify the dead/deceased, much like Ayrton Senna in F1 when Michael Schumacher has been destroying records and getting achievements which may never be repeated. Perhaps he needs to die in action as well before people start to have fond memories about him...

by **anfieldadorer** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:37 am

Liverpool and the Beatles are my life, Azri.
"In my life, I love you more"

by **azriahmad** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 5:12 am

What's your favourite Beatles song? My fav is "With A Little Help from My Friends". I thing John Lennon had a very ordinary singing voice as compared to McCartney but the fewer songs which he sang, sounde very serene...

I can't shake my love for LFC, no matter how badly they play...

by **anfieldadorer** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 5:24 am

It's difficult to pick, Azri. All songs are good to me. But Sgt. Peppers is my fave album.
With a Little Help from My Friend was sung by Ringo. And true that Mc Cartney voice is more 'colorful' than Lennon, I like most his voice in "Oh Darling" (compare the color to alike of "Here There and Everywhere"). But Baros has a better pace

by **azriahmad** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:37 am

Was it sang by Ringo? I never knew...
Imagine is a very good one, perhaps the best Lennon ever wrote. There was a documentary about Rivals a couple of days ago on cable tv, Jackie O-Marilyn Monroe, Stallone-Schwarzenegger, Princess Di- Camillia, Lennon-McCartney, I wanted to watch the Lennon McCartney but I came hole late from work and missed it...

BTW, I hope Baros cann improve his all round game, and I hope both Garcia and Cisse can improve their finishing, especially Garcia seeing hoe he can create a lot of chances.

by **akumaface** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:21 am

I think both Cisse and Baros have what it takes to be a top strikers. They have the mentality of being wanting the ball and score. They are both selfish in a sense but thats a good thing for a striker. I think if they can be more selective in assessing the situation, we could score more goals for sure. Another thing is with the midfield we have, there should be no shortage of passes to our FW and once they started to click, watch out. I would have an headache if I'm the oppenents on who to mark, we now have Cisse, Baros, Garcia, Kewell, Gerrard who can break a defense and its just very exciting to watch. I'm sure Rafa will turn Baros and Cisse into a more complete and mature striker.

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