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by **baldricks_cunning_plan** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:50 pm

NANNY RED wrote:GET OUT OF OUR THREAD
GET OUT OF OUR THREAD
YOU RAFA BASHER
GET OUT OF OUR THREAD

lAKES GET OUT OF OUR THREAD

Lyrical genius.

by **Dazzer** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:08 am

Sabre wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Sabre wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Reg wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
phil_cool wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
Dazzer wrote:I personaly think fans that protect managers can do more harm then good most of time so reg think about that

Care to explain how those fans make more harm than good?

And what do you mean by tarnish and discredit, sentences like the one you wrote in the first page?

Thank you Dazzer.

Here ya go have a read.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/discredit

O and thanks for welcome Hi right back at ya.

Yeh, I know what it means. But just as it's not right to call someone names because he doesn't trust in the manager, a thing that it's pretty normal in a football fan, it's not right what you said about people who "protects" the manager.

It's only fair, because at the end of the day we're all fans. Respect is a thing that must go both ways

What have I said about people that protect the manager ?

I remeber saying I am happy for them didn't I ?

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:38 am

bigmick wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:GET OUT OF OUR THREAD
GET OUT OF OUR THREAD
YOU RAFA BASHER
GET OUT OF OUR THREAD

lAKES GET OUT OF OUR THREAD

Fair play Nan that got me

Im reeling you in Michael

GET IN THE BACK OF THE NET :laugh:

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:40 am

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:GET OUT OF OUR THREAD
GET OUT OF OUR THREAD
YOU RAFA BASHER
GET OUT OF OUR THREAD

lAKES GET OUT OF OUR THREAD

Lyrical genius.

Just a little something i picked up at the match. :laugh:

Ill be callin meself nannycoward next :laugh:

You hum it son an ill play it :;):

by **baldricks_cunning_plan** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:43 am

NANNY RED wrote:
baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:GET OUT OF OUR THREAD
GET OUT OF OUR THREAD
YOU RAFA BASHER
GET OUT OF OUR THREAD

lAKES GET OUT OF OUR THREAD

Lyrical genius.

Just a little something i picked up at the match.

Ill be callin meself nannycoward next
You hum it son an ill play it

Must admit I didn't hear the Kop singing about Lakes :laugh:

though we were in great voice on Sunday. Every last one of us.

Nannycoward :laugh:

by **phil_cool** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:55 am

For me Rafa is a bit like Riise. Hard working gets the odd spectacular match winner but is also prone to making mistakes that cost us games. I liked Riise but could fully understand why we looked for better, same with Rafa.

by **bigmick** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:15 am

Riise

I think he might be better than Riise mate :laugh:

In all seriousness though, once again we have demonstrated that we do have a good team (which the manager deserves credit for putting together), and we have proven once again that those of us who therefore think that we should be able to compete for major honours are not living in cloud cuckoo land. We have proven yet again that despite "boardroom shenanighans" it's still possible to win football matches, despte being outgunned financially (which once again the debate last week disproved), we can still compete with the best.

I said in an earlier post that it would be utterly ridiculous in the aftermath of such a sterling performance to say it was nothing to do with Rafa, it was in fact all down to the owners and the players. That's what some have been telling me recently though "it's all down to the owners", or "it's the players innit". I've never bought into that, and when we put in such a sure footed performance as we did against the Mancs, I actually think the manager deserves a huge amount of credit.

The job of any manager is to maximise the resources at his disposal. People said Roy Hodgson did a good job last season not because he won the league, but because he appeared to maximise the resources available to him, both in terms of transfer dealings and in terms of how many points they got compared to how good they were. That's what rafa needs to do, maximise the resources available to him.

Is a team which includes Torres, Gerrard, Masherano, Reina, Johnson, Carragher, Agger etc etc good enough to challenge for the title? I think it is yes. Is it good enough to have a good chance of winning trophies? Definately yes. Is it reasonable to expect a manager who has spent what Rafa has spent to be able to win trophies and to challenge for them? I think so.

I actually think if we get anywhere near this time he should be given another year after this one. That'll be seven years in charge, we should have a good idea by then where we are.

by **made in UK** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:17 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Let me see - Ok you want to know how Rafa will get them up against mid table and bottom half teams and im showing that we have already stuffed hull,burnley and stoke as well as beating both bolton and west ham so there is a little bit of proof about rafa and the players against those teams.

Will refer you once again to this post which you failed to respond to Dazzer

Those teams you put thier are poor and will most likely be in bottom 3 come end of season it is no +++ for a top 4 manager to beat them and beat them easy.

My point is when we have up to yesterday come up vs a team with any level fo play in them we have found it very hard.I hope today we put it behind us and go on good run but I really doubt it.

yet results against those teams last year were a big reason we failed to win the league . Bolton Stoke etc were top half teams last season and this season - Burnley already beaten Man Utd .

Yes its true good point but tbh we was only few points of win and losing 4 league games already is am improvement ?

If we draw a lot less than last season and turn those draws into wins despite loosing a few more than last season then yes it is an improvement.

OK maybe the question should be then how many points did we drop last season ?

28

So far ths season 12 thats gap of 16 so thats 8 drawns or 5 more loses.Now we went on some good runs last season and I hope we can do the same.But the longest run we had in league last year with out a draw or loss was 5 games and I find it hard to see how we can better that.

So in order to better last season performance we need to not only go unbeated till end of season we have to drawn less then 7 games.Can you really see that happening with a weakened team which I think we all know was down to Rafa.

Yes rafa himself injured Torres,gerrard,agger,aurelio,masher etc - its all Rafas fault

Apparently the new one around here is that its down to the doctor. :laugh:

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:55 am

lakes10 wrote:well he looks like he has lost a few players in the team and it took 2 days of team building headed by Lee to try and fix it.

Rafa just got himself 5 more games, if we win the next 5 then i think it will all blow overtill next year, but you can never tell with our owners, the word is they were going to sack him if he had lost that game.

You silly b*stard. :laugh:

by **Dazzer** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:57 am

made in UK wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Let me see - Ok you want to know how Rafa will get them up against mid table and bottom half teams and im showing that we have already stuffed hull,burnley and stoke as well as beating both bolton and west ham so there is a little bit of proof about rafa and the players against those teams.

Will refer you once again to this post which you failed to respond to Dazzer

Those teams you put thier are poor and will most likely be in bottom 3 come end of season it is no +++ for a top 4 manager to beat them and beat them easy.

My point is when we have up to yesterday come up vs a team with any level fo play in them we have found it very hard.I hope today we put it behind us and go on good run but I really doubt it.

yet results against those teams last year were a big reason we failed to win the league . Bolton Stoke etc were top half teams last season and this season - Burnley already beaten Man Utd .

Yes its true good point but tbh we was only few points of win and losing 4 league games already is am improvement ?

If we draw a lot less than last season and turn those draws into wins despite loosing a few more than last season then yes it is an improvement.

OK maybe the question should be then how many points did we drop last season ?

28

So far ths season 12 thats gap of 16 so thats 8 drawns or 5 more loses.Now we went on some good runs last season and I hope we can do the same.But the longest run we had in league last year with out a draw or loss was 5 games and I find it hard to see how we can better that.

So in order to better last season performance we need to not only go unbeated till end of season we have to drawn less then 7 games.Can you really see that happening with a weakened team which I think we all know was down to Rafa.

Yes rafa himself injured Torres,gerrard,agger,aurelio,masher etc - its all Rafas fault

Apparently the new one around here is that its down to the doctor.

The doc is a manc burn him burn him. :angry:

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:00 am

heimdall wrote:God, I'm so sick to death of all these positive back Rafa threads, weird how they only spring up after a great victory.

In all seriousness one game doesn't change my opinion and why oh why can't Rafa ever show any fecking emotion, Torres scores a fantastic goal against Manure and Rafa must be the only fan not jumping around, the fecking owners showed more passion than Rafa does, it really annoys me.

Anyway fantastic and critical win but we still have to beat Lyon and Fiorentina, oh and there's the small matter of Arsenal but maybe just maybe this is the end of the bliiiiiiiiiiippp

Why does Rafa's calm nature "really annoy" you?

"Bliiiiiip - pitiful attempt at humour by 'BigMick', a forum member devoid of all wit and intellect." - Why copy that? Does it help you sleep at night?

Couldn't you befriend a squirrel and hibernate for the winter? You're such a miserable tw*t. :no

by **Trewyn** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:06 am

I can see the big picture and am still focused on the root of the problem.... getting rid of lying eediots tw1t and tw@t before I entertain the LUXURY of weighing pros and cons of sacking the manager.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:08 am

Dazzer wrote:
Greavesie wrote:
Dazzer wrote:Have given him credit but just not in topic not like he see's this any ways so falls on deaf ears tbph.Maybe if the topic was headed lets all cheer for rafa's 1 good win all season then I might have typed a thank you.

But it was a good win none the less.

1 good win, dear god kid sort it out. Hes done a hell of a lot for us down the years cant you see the bigger picture?

what I'm saying is when we lose its Rafa's failt and when we win its in spite of...

It really is getting tiresome

No I think credit goes to rafa and backroom staff but tbh its not a hard game to get the players up for.Its the midtable games I be watching with keen instrest those will be the games we will be benchmarking our season on come april time and you know that is true.

How odd.

In the first couple of seasons it was "the big games".

Last season it was "the games against the small clubs."

Now it's "the midtable games..."

What will it be next year; "the reserve matches"? :glare:

by **bigmick** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:14 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:"Bliiiiiip - pitiful attempt at humour by 'BigMick', a forum member devoid of all wit and intellect." -

Not by any chance trying to lure me into one of your flame wars are you Lando?

bliiiiiiiiiiip wasn't and isn't an attempt at humour. No it was used to signify a long "blip". See each time we lost a match, people at that time would call it a blip. It kind of becomes a bliiiiiiip when you've lost a few on the bounce. They don't really use blip anymore, usually these days they just say "it's the owners", or "it's down to the players innit". Either that or they go off on some ill informed ramble about how good Manchester United were when Rafa arrived at Anfield, or talk nonsense about how much money we haven't spent.

Hope that clears it all up

.

by **Dazzer** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:18 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Greavesie wrote:
Dazzer wrote:Have given him credit but just not in topic not like he see's this any ways so falls on deaf ears tbph.Maybe if the topic was headed lets all cheer for rafa's 1 good win all season then I might have typed a thank you.

But it was a good win none the less.

1 good win, dear god kid sort it out. Hes done a hell of a lot for us down the years cant you see the bigger picture?

what I'm saying is when we lose its Rafa's failt and when we win its in spite of...

It really is getting tiresome

No I think credit goes to rafa and backroom staff but tbh its not a hard game to get the players up for.Its the midtable games I be watching with keen instrest those will be the games we will be benchmarking our season on come april time and you know that is true.

How odd.

In the first couple of seasons it was "the big games".

Last season it was "the games against the small clubs."

Now it's "the midtable games..."

What will it be next year; "the reserve matches"?

I dunno lando I wasn't on these forums when those statements was made ? so whats your point ? Am I getting blamed for them ?

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