LUCAS LEIVA - Official Thread
by Benny The Noon » Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:34 pm
Scholes ,Carrick,Giggs etc produced pretty close to feck in the middle for Man Utd mainly due to Masher and Lucas out performing them in the middle . Their only threat came from Valencia.
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by Dazzer » Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:42 pm
Benny The Noon wrote::laugh:
How ironic
Yeah I have given rafa credit thanks read up before you make your self look foolish.
I would cut this witch hunt of yours out its gonna do you no favors mate it just make you look bitter.
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by only me » Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:03 pm
For me this whole discussion Lucas yes or no has stopped being meaningful ,for me it has only become indicative on how our manager sees the game - unfortuntly he is blinded by his stubborns as even i wouldn't dream Rafa thinks lucas is any good - he is just doesn't accept that he was wrong all the time and now we all need to bite our lips till he brings a replacement - i think Rafa is just cruel to the boy playing him all the time when he has no way to succeed - he isn't mentaly fit nor skillfuly equiped to play in liverpool - again it is only due to the man on the lines decision.
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by Benny The Noon » Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:05 pm
Yet for the second time he was part of a midfield that controlled the game against the Mancs - Last season in the 4-1 win it was Xabi and Lucas - this season it was Lucas and Masher - what is the common factor there 
Amazing how we won the game yesterday and how he managed to help create that second goal when he is so devoid of skill as some suggest
Amazing how we won the game yesterday and how he managed to help create that second goal when he is so devoid of skill as some suggest
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by Reg » Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:46 am
Liverpool's Lucas knows his actions speak louder than Alan Green's words
I doubt Liverpool’s Brazilian midfielder Lucas was listening to Radio 5 Live last Monday. And if not, then he would have missed a most illuminating chat between one of the station’s generally excellent presenters and Dominic Matteo, almost certainly the finest defender of the last 10 years whose name Leeds fans can rhyme with stereo.
“What, Dominic, do you think Rafael Benitez is doing wrong?”
“Well, for me,” came the reply. “He’s not picking the right players, or putting them in their strongest positions.”
“Well,” his interrogator replied, not unfairly, “what changes do you think he should make?”
“That’s not up to me. I’m not the manager.”
Happy to say where people are going wrong, but not willing to actually have any ideas of your own? This way to the microphone.
Alan Green, of course, that doyen of sports broadcasting, can top that. In the build-up to Liverpool’s match with Manchester United, that season-defining moment which forced everyone in the media, your correspondent included, to remember that seasons are never defined in October, regardless of how much Sky pretend they are, Green gave a run-down of the Liverpool line-up.
“Reina, excellent. Johnson, overpriced. Carragher, over the hill. Agger, just returning from injury. Insua, young. Mascherano, wife unhappy on Merseyside. Lucas, two left feet. Kuyt, bought as a striker, but doesn’t score goals. Torres, wonderful.” What the Northern Irishman and Ferguson-baiter in chief said of Fabio Aurelio and Yossi Benayoun is lost in the mists of time, but it would have been along the theme of average at best for the former, and unpredictable for the latter. Suffice to say it was not his assessment of either which stood out.
Similarly, he was spot on in his descriptions of Pepe Reina, the best goalkeeper in England and among the top five in the world, and Fernando Torres, the finest exponent of attacking play on the planet. But then you do not need to be a highly-paid broadcaster to spot that.
Rather, his withering remarks on the rest of Liverpool’s team, which, rather annoyingly, beat the much-vaunted champions about two hours after Green’s unsolicited verdict, were so unfounded, so wilfully hyperbolic, that they remain lodged in the mind 24 hours later.
Glen Johnson was overpriced, of course, but is that a fair summation of his abilities? No. He is an English international right back. Daniel Alves cost £23 million, Philipp Lahm would go for more than that. Johnson is not in their class, but he is the closest this country can manage. He is a £12 million player, but the extra £6 million can be considered a tax on his nationality, in the same way Stewart Downing is not a £12 million player, nor Michael Carrick an £18 million one.
Carragher’s standards have slipped, but, as he proved on Sunday, he is still a fine defender on his day. Daniel Agger is the best ball-playing centre back in the country, despite his injury problems. Emiliano Insua is young, but he is also brimming with promise. He will, most likely, be Argentina’s first choice left-back for many years to come. He has the potential to be better than Johnson, though his lack of stature may hold him back.
Mascherano’s wife, reportedly, has been unsettled in Liverpool, and it seems to have affected his performances, as have Argentina’s recent struggles, though he has been improving in recent weeks. He is also one of the best defensive midfielders in the world.
Kuyt was not bought solely as a striker, he was bought as an industrious, disciplined forward, who had spent much of his career wide, a position he continues to occupy for Holland. He also has a habit of scoring important goals, particularly in Europe.
But Lucas, two left feet? It would seem Mr Green has not watched Liverpool much this season. For all the criticism directed at the young Brazilian, he has been one of Liverpool’s more consistent performers in the last three months. Consistently bad, harrumph the more quick-witted on the band-wagon. It is an over simplistic assessment offered by those who prefer consensus to evidence.
Lucas’s range of passing is minimal, his accuracy poor, his decision-making unreliable. He is neither combative enough to play defensively, nor creative enough to play a more attacking role. So run the accusations.
Yet his main crime, put simply, is that he is not Xabi Alonso. He does not have the Basque’s guile, his vision, his control of time and space. Few players do. Only Xavi and Andrea Pirlo can match Alonso’s range of passing. Contrasting Lucas with his predecessor not only masks the fact that Lucas remains Liverpool’s third-choice central midfielder – behind Mascherano and Alberto Aquilani – but the qualities that made him a Brazilian international at the age of 20.
His energy, his tactical versatility, his economy of possession, the speed with which he moves the ball. Lucas should develop into a fine box-to-box player, rather than a master of the centre circle, as Alonso was. He has his flaws, of course – he does not score enough goals, he is prone to playing safe rather than challenging himself, he commits far too many unnecessary fouls – but casting him as a modern-day Ali Dia is absurd.
If he were, as competitive a manager as Rafael Benitez would not persist with him. Nor would Carlos Dunga. And he would not have gone toe-to-toe with Paul Scholes and Carrick and won. Perhaps his role in the destruction of United will put an end to the ill-considered, rambling sound bites of Green – and many others – in the media. Perhaps it will end the rumbling of discontent among those Liverpool fans who believe Jay Spearing – who did not stand out against League One Leeds, let alone Premier League Sunderland, and has not played for England’s under-21s, much less Brazil’s senior team – is the better player.
Then again, perhaps not. That’s the thing about band wagons. It’s hard to get off them.
I doubt Liverpool’s Brazilian midfielder Lucas was listening to Radio 5 Live last Monday. And if not, then he would have missed a most illuminating chat between one of the station’s generally excellent presenters and Dominic Matteo, almost certainly the finest defender of the last 10 years whose name Leeds fans can rhyme with stereo.
“What, Dominic, do you think Rafael Benitez is doing wrong?”
“Well, for me,” came the reply. “He’s not picking the right players, or putting them in their strongest positions.”
“Well,” his interrogator replied, not unfairly, “what changes do you think he should make?”
“That’s not up to me. I’m not the manager.”
Happy to say where people are going wrong, but not willing to actually have any ideas of your own? This way to the microphone.
Alan Green, of course, that doyen of sports broadcasting, can top that. In the build-up to Liverpool’s match with Manchester United, that season-defining moment which forced everyone in the media, your correspondent included, to remember that seasons are never defined in October, regardless of how much Sky pretend they are, Green gave a run-down of the Liverpool line-up.
“Reina, excellent. Johnson, overpriced. Carragher, over the hill. Agger, just returning from injury. Insua, young. Mascherano, wife unhappy on Merseyside. Lucas, two left feet. Kuyt, bought as a striker, but doesn’t score goals. Torres, wonderful.” What the Northern Irishman and Ferguson-baiter in chief said of Fabio Aurelio and Yossi Benayoun is lost in the mists of time, but it would have been along the theme of average at best for the former, and unpredictable for the latter. Suffice to say it was not his assessment of either which stood out.
Similarly, he was spot on in his descriptions of Pepe Reina, the best goalkeeper in England and among the top five in the world, and Fernando Torres, the finest exponent of attacking play on the planet. But then you do not need to be a highly-paid broadcaster to spot that.
Rather, his withering remarks on the rest of Liverpool’s team, which, rather annoyingly, beat the much-vaunted champions about two hours after Green’s unsolicited verdict, were so unfounded, so wilfully hyperbolic, that they remain lodged in the mind 24 hours later.
Glen Johnson was overpriced, of course, but is that a fair summation of his abilities? No. He is an English international right back. Daniel Alves cost £23 million, Philipp Lahm would go for more than that. Johnson is not in their class, but he is the closest this country can manage. He is a £12 million player, but the extra £6 million can be considered a tax on his nationality, in the same way Stewart Downing is not a £12 million player, nor Michael Carrick an £18 million one.
Carragher’s standards have slipped, but, as he proved on Sunday, he is still a fine defender on his day. Daniel Agger is the best ball-playing centre back in the country, despite his injury problems. Emiliano Insua is young, but he is also brimming with promise. He will, most likely, be Argentina’s first choice left-back for many years to come. He has the potential to be better than Johnson, though his lack of stature may hold him back.
Mascherano’s wife, reportedly, has been unsettled in Liverpool, and it seems to have affected his performances, as have Argentina’s recent struggles, though he has been improving in recent weeks. He is also one of the best defensive midfielders in the world.
Kuyt was not bought solely as a striker, he was bought as an industrious, disciplined forward, who had spent much of his career wide, a position he continues to occupy for Holland. He also has a habit of scoring important goals, particularly in Europe.
But Lucas, two left feet? It would seem Mr Green has not watched Liverpool much this season. For all the criticism directed at the young Brazilian, he has been one of Liverpool’s more consistent performers in the last three months. Consistently bad, harrumph the more quick-witted on the band-wagon. It is an over simplistic assessment offered by those who prefer consensus to evidence.
Lucas’s range of passing is minimal, his accuracy poor, his decision-making unreliable. He is neither combative enough to play defensively, nor creative enough to play a more attacking role. So run the accusations.
Yet his main crime, put simply, is that he is not Xabi Alonso. He does not have the Basque’s guile, his vision, his control of time and space. Few players do. Only Xavi and Andrea Pirlo can match Alonso’s range of passing. Contrasting Lucas with his predecessor not only masks the fact that Lucas remains Liverpool’s third-choice central midfielder – behind Mascherano and Alberto Aquilani – but the qualities that made him a Brazilian international at the age of 20.
His energy, his tactical versatility, his economy of possession, the speed with which he moves the ball. Lucas should develop into a fine box-to-box player, rather than a master of the centre circle, as Alonso was. He has his flaws, of course – he does not score enough goals, he is prone to playing safe rather than challenging himself, he commits far too many unnecessary fouls – but casting him as a modern-day Ali Dia is absurd.
If he were, as competitive a manager as Rafael Benitez would not persist with him. Nor would Carlos Dunga. And he would not have gone toe-to-toe with Paul Scholes and Carrick and won. Perhaps his role in the destruction of United will put an end to the ill-considered, rambling sound bites of Green – and many others – in the media. Perhaps it will end the rumbling of discontent among those Liverpool fans who believe Jay Spearing – who did not stand out against League One Leeds, let alone Premier League Sunderland, and has not played for England’s under-21s, much less Brazil’s senior team – is the better player.
Then again, perhaps not. That’s the thing about band wagons. It’s hard to get off them.
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by Kerry07 » Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:52 am
I'm amused by the fickle nature that persists in football by some fans, and its occured again (as can be seen on Rawk) with a delusional thread dedicated to Lucas following yesterdays game.
It was ONE game, against a very average Man U side at home (no Ronaldo, no Tevez, and Rooney at 50% fitness)... who had 57% POSSESSION, but had zero cutting edge. You give last years attacking trio 57% possession, and we get massacred...simple.
Its the same munchkins who bring up last years victory at Old Toilet to justify any merit of Lucas... overlooking the fact that we completely bypassed midfield that day, two long clearances from Carra and Pepe for direct assists for the 1st and 4th goals... the other two goals being interplay between Gerrard/Torres (for the pen).. and Gerrard/Aurelio (for the freekick Aurelio converted)
I'm not decrying our victory yesterday in any way.. and it was the most ecstatic i felt since the FA Cup Final 2006 (maybe even moreso).. as it was a gigantic game we HAD to win and has so much running on it. But...there was a massive weakness in that team and again it was central midfield, specifically Lucas and our lack of possession/control.
Yes... his workrate, endeavor, honesty cannot be questioned, his one two with Kuyt and assist for Ngog was fantastic (and completely out of character)... but so many times his lack of ability was there for all to see.. and thankfully a very average ManU side weren't able to take advantage.
His pass for Kuyt in the first half with only one defender infront was shocking, it was a straighforward pass to place infront of him, instead it was right at him so Dirk had to check stride, thus not being able to execute shot that scewed wide. Lucas' two shots in each half...the atrocious technique, first one a sliced effort that went 30 yards left, the second 6 yards out that he skied..again no technique or adjustment from Lucas (think back to Xabi in Istanbul.. takes the pen with his right, converts very difficult rebound with his left...complete ease with either foot). Also lost count of the amount of times the outstanding Mascherano was in a cul de sac with no one making themselve open to recieve a pass (again this is where Alonso comes in who ALWAYS makes himself open).. Lucas hid, we lost possession, hence had 43%. Finally, Lucas gave away two freekicks outside the penalty box...one of which was late on. There was also a terrible headed effort from him to clear a cross which landed at the feet of Nani, who shot straight at Pepe.
The same traits that are Lucas weakness... no passing range, cant shoot/score, hides and doesnt make himself available hence low team possession, dreadful tackling and gives away in dangerous areas. We won yesterday PURELY out of aggression, workrate, atmosphere generated by our magnificent fans..and our four class players standing up.. Carra a collosus at the back, Mascherano chased pretty much everything that moved, the guile and creativity of Benayoun..and the finishing and movement of the worlds best striker Torres. The ONE thing we lacked was control.. Man U controlled the game for large periods, but didnt capitalize on it due to having absolutely no threat or penetration because of the dire personel in their attack as mentioned.
Having said all of that... the reason above all i was delighted with yesterdays result was we got out of a period when our team was at its weakest, we had lost 6 games, but that result means our season is still very much intact. My concern was Alonsos replacement Aquilani was only gonna be fit with our season over, instead the massive step up in class and ability he will provide playing alongside Masch, will give us our top class central midfield back.. and allow the rest of the team to flourish. There is no room for Leonhardsens, Lucas, Biscans..in a top team, passengers drag a team down, none more so in that crucial central midfield area and specifically the pivot player who has to link defence and attack.
Lucas is a decent bench player, to fill in when the class players are injured/suspended. I was pleased to see him celebrate toward the Kop, as with his lack of talent and our midfield being outclassed and hammered in possession this season he'd been slammed from pillar to post...so he deserved to have his moment of joy.. and i like his attitude, as does Rafa and Dunga - good squad player for both.
It was ONE game, against a very average Man U side at home (no Ronaldo, no Tevez, and Rooney at 50% fitness)... who had 57% POSSESSION, but had zero cutting edge. You give last years attacking trio 57% possession, and we get massacred...simple.
Its the same munchkins who bring up last years victory at Old Toilet to justify any merit of Lucas... overlooking the fact that we completely bypassed midfield that day, two long clearances from Carra and Pepe for direct assists for the 1st and 4th goals... the other two goals being interplay between Gerrard/Torres (for the pen).. and Gerrard/Aurelio (for the freekick Aurelio converted)
I'm not decrying our victory yesterday in any way.. and it was the most ecstatic i felt since the FA Cup Final 2006 (maybe even moreso).. as it was a gigantic game we HAD to win and has so much running on it. But...there was a massive weakness in that team and again it was central midfield, specifically Lucas and our lack of possession/control.
Yes... his workrate, endeavor, honesty cannot be questioned, his one two with Kuyt and assist for Ngog was fantastic (and completely out of character)... but so many times his lack of ability was there for all to see.. and thankfully a very average ManU side weren't able to take advantage.
His pass for Kuyt in the first half with only one defender infront was shocking, it was a straighforward pass to place infront of him, instead it was right at him so Dirk had to check stride, thus not being able to execute shot that scewed wide. Lucas' two shots in each half...the atrocious technique, first one a sliced effort that went 30 yards left, the second 6 yards out that he skied..again no technique or adjustment from Lucas (think back to Xabi in Istanbul.. takes the pen with his right, converts very difficult rebound with his left...complete ease with either foot). Also lost count of the amount of times the outstanding Mascherano was in a cul de sac with no one making themselve open to recieve a pass (again this is where Alonso comes in who ALWAYS makes himself open).. Lucas hid, we lost possession, hence had 43%. Finally, Lucas gave away two freekicks outside the penalty box...one of which was late on. There was also a terrible headed effort from him to clear a cross which landed at the feet of Nani, who shot straight at Pepe.
The same traits that are Lucas weakness... no passing range, cant shoot/score, hides and doesnt make himself available hence low team possession, dreadful tackling and gives away in dangerous areas. We won yesterday PURELY out of aggression, workrate, atmosphere generated by our magnificent fans..and our four class players standing up.. Carra a collosus at the back, Mascherano chased pretty much everything that moved, the guile and creativity of Benayoun..and the finishing and movement of the worlds best striker Torres. The ONE thing we lacked was control.. Man U controlled the game for large periods, but didnt capitalize on it due to having absolutely no threat or penetration because of the dire personel in their attack as mentioned.
Having said all of that... the reason above all i was delighted with yesterdays result was we got out of a period when our team was at its weakest, we had lost 6 games, but that result means our season is still very much intact. My concern was Alonsos replacement Aquilani was only gonna be fit with our season over, instead the massive step up in class and ability he will provide playing alongside Masch, will give us our top class central midfield back.. and allow the rest of the team to flourish. There is no room for Leonhardsens, Lucas, Biscans..in a top team, passengers drag a team down, none more so in that crucial central midfield area and specifically the pivot player who has to link defence and attack.
Lucas is a decent bench player, to fill in when the class players are injured/suspended. I was pleased to see him celebrate toward the Kop, as with his lack of talent and our midfield being outclassed and hammered in possession this season he'd been slammed from pillar to post...so he deserved to have his moment of joy.. and i like his attitude, as does Rafa and Dunga - good squad player for both.
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by bigmick » Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:22 am
Good post that Kerry but I think in fairness to the lad he did play well against the Mancs. It's not that often though a team comes to Anfield and plays with two genuine front men though, which our two sitter system work better than has been normal. I agree with you about the Mancs though, they were very poor and to me don't look a patch on the team which won the league last season. Before anybody jumps down my throat, I'm not diminishing our achievement in beating them, I think they've been bluffing their way to wins all season. I think we ought to have a good shout at finishing above them unless they buy big in January.
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by Kerry07 » Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:43 am
bigmick wrote:Good post that Kerry but I think in fairness to the lad he did play well against the Mancs. It's not that often though a team comes to Anfield and plays with two genuine front men though, which our two sitter system work better than has been normal. I agree with you about the Mancs though, they were very poor and to me don't look a patch on the team which won the league last season. Before anybody jumps down my throat, I'm not diminishing our achievement in beating them, I think they've been bluffing their way to wins all season. I think we ought to have a good shout at finishing above them unless they buy big in January.
Spot on Mick... guarantee we finish above them, they too are skint btw.
Mentioned this in another board that the high position ManU found themselves in was false... they scraped past Bolton at home, should have lost to Sunderland at home (but for an OG injurytime equalizer), lost to Burnley, scraped past City (Fergie stoppage time), were OUTCLASSED by Arsenal (who being flimsy Arsenal handed it to them on a plate with an OG)...this is a pretty average ManU team who no longer have Ronaldo to (90 goals, 32 assists in 3 seasons) to carry them...nor the tenacity, class and nuisance factor of Tevez. Its now just Rooney, and he yesterday was at 50% and had barely trained in 3 weeks.
Regards Lucas...yes it was his best performance, a 7 out of 10 performance...the type of performance you'd be pleased with a back up player...but thats it. The thing is, because someone has been slaughtered so much as is the case with Lucas, one decent performance tends to get overblown, and all loss of perspective occurs. Also people look at the name of the opponents we beat...MANCHESTER UNITED... and not the actual players in their team..which are quite frankly a pisspoor front 6 (bar a fully fit Rooney).
We are in desperate need of a class possession player in the centre.. a player who dictates the flow, comfortable on the ball, always makes himself available, great technique, passing range, links defence and attack...a touch of class and give us back the control we had with Alonso. Aquilani from what i've seen provides the lot, the hope is he delivers.. because Lucas aint got the tools.
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by Dazzer » Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:08 am
Well this is true but they are also slow starters as we are so I expect them to pick up the pace soon.Should never discount them they always seem to get a good run going.If not sack Fergie. 
Any way I thought Lucus bossed those manc's to death he made ging look like he needed to retire and carrick like the cr@p player he is.Thing is with mancs they are great most of time either at home or vs small teams they are bullys and cheats.If you took away all there wierd extra time and freak pens I doubt they have half the league wins and cups.
Plus if we get in CL knock out which I doubt I hope we get mancs It would make my 2010 year !!!
Any way I thought Lucus bossed those manc's to death he made ging look like he needed to retire and carrick like the cr@p player he is.Thing is with mancs they are great most of time either at home or vs small teams they are bullys and cheats.If you took away all there wierd extra time and freak pens I doubt they have half the league wins and cups.
Plus if we get in CL knock out which I doubt I hope we get mancs It would make my 2010 year !!!
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by bigmick » Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:24 am
The feeling that the Mancs aren't the team they were oughtn't be overly controversial. They sold Ronaldo for 80 million quid, and lost Tevez on a free. The best player in the World and one of the best strikers in the World, replaced by an ageing Michael Owen on a free and Antonio Valencia from those powerhouses of Europe, Wigan. 62 million quid profit on transfers as well, making us look like huge spenders in comparison.
I've said all season they won't win again and I'm convinced they won't. The question of course is who will.
I've said all season they won't win again and I'm convinced they won't. The question of course is who will.
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by kazza » Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:57 am
bigmick wrote:The feeling that the Mancs aren't the team they were oughtn't be overly controversial. They sold Ronaldo for 80 million quid, and lost Tevez on a free. The best player in the World and one of the best strikers in the World, replaced by an ageing Michael Owen on a free and Antonio Valencia from those powerhouses of Europe, Wigan. 62 million quid profit on transfers as well, making us look like huge spenders in comparison.
I've said all season they won't win again and I'm convinced they won't. The question of course is who will.
Maybe the team you always seem to gush over (in an "in the closet sort of way") Dare I say it .... Blue and plastic
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by Ciggy » Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:55 am
On the Guardian chalkboard, Lucas had a 99% pass rate he had one misplaced pass in the 96 minutes, pretty excellent from the kid.
I feel he is intimidated by Gerrard when the two of them play together, he is scared of making mistakes incase captain fantastic shouts at him, and gets nervous and makes mistakes.
He was excellent on sunday probably deserved MOTM.
I feel he is intimidated by Gerrard when the two of them play together, he is scared of making mistakes incase captain fantastic shouts at him, and gets nervous and makes mistakes.
He was excellent on sunday probably deserved MOTM.
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by Sabre » Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:03 am
Ciggy wrote:I feel he is intimidated by Gerrard when the two of them play together, he is scared of making mistakes incase captain fantastic shouts at him, and gets nervous and makes mistakes.
I think a good part of the Lucas diagnostic says "fear to make mistakes", but I don't think the captain has anything to do with it.
We've seen simply too many players overwhelmed by the pressure of a massive club.
A game like the Manchester Utd one though is precisely the kind of game he needed to shake those fears. Let's see if he does definitely and for once because this is the season he has to prove himself.
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