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by **Dazzer** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:04 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:You cant plan for up to 7 first teamers being out injured and having the exact level of replacements unless you can spend over 200 mil on players ala Chelsea ,Man City and Man Utd - they are able to spend 20 mil on a player just to warm the bench . Ala Nani,etc

FFS Rafa doesnt have a crystal ball .

If Chelsea and Man Utd lost 6 plus first teamers they would be fecked as well .

You playing on it too much they ain't all been injured at the same time have they ? Some here some there 1 game quite a few was out.But like I said you have to plan for them IE not have another 6 top players cost 200 mil as you put it "gulp".Just 1 or 2 good players who can fill gaps would help.1 of those players u adding to those numbers was bought injured so we just covering ground that has been done to death on here.

by **bigmick** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:16 pm

Well just like there has been some ridiculous over-reaction to four defeats on the bounce, I suppose it was only natural that we'd get the same in the opposite corner if we beat the Mancs. It was a fine performance too, based on a grit and determination which has been somewhat lacking recently.

It doesn't unfortunately mean that those who have had doubts over the last few weeks are a bunch of numpties, but at least it does mean that those who were calling for the managers head on a plate as of now won't get their wish. That wouldn't have served anybody well, and the manager deserves to get at the very least until the end of this season to see where we going.

The reality is of course that four losses didn't change much, and nor does one victory. The parameters for success or failure remain the same. Liverpool football club, and therefore the person who is charged with the job of managing it, must win trophies. Having spent the amount of money that we have in comparison to everybody else, and given the fact that we finished within four points of the top last season, we need to challenge for the title. It doesn't mean we have to win it, but we have to have a decent go at it. Beating the Mancs didn't change that, it merely made it a bit more likely that we might achieve it. It also highlighted the absolutely indisputeable fact that they are nowhere near as strong a team as last season (as they wouldn't be) having replaced Tevez with Owen, and of course Ronaldo with Valencia. At the very least we ought to be able to make a decent fist of finishing above them I should think.

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:18 pm

so do i back the boss in here then

by **bigmick** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:27 pm

One argument that such a good performance does expose as being nonsense of course is the notion that we can't possibly compete with these top teams. Whether it be because we are either a) outgunned financially b) stymied by boardroom shenanighans or c) simply not good enough it doesn't matter, all three prongs of the arguement are incorrect.

We are at least the equal of the Manchester United team which took the field at Anfield, and much the better team when Gerrard plays. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever as far as i can see that we shouldn't set our aim at the very least of finishing above them this season. That's sometimes the trouble with excuses, you wheel them out when you need them but on the occasions that you don't, they're shown up for being nonsense.

by **JC_81** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:33 pm

Rafa takes the flak on here when we lose, so it's only right he gets the credit when we win.

He got the big decisions right - doubling up Aurelio and Insua to contain Valencia (who was their main threat on the day), playing Torres from the off (he has since admitted that was a last minute decision on the team bus on the way to the ground!), the centre back pairing hit it off and allowing Benayoun and Kuyt to interchange freely gave us a nice fluency I thought. I wasn't sure about taking Torres off when he did because I thought it would invite pressure, it did, but the sub capitalised on them pouring forward by sticking in the second. He therefore got every big decision right on the day and fair play to him.

by **LFC2007** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:34 pm

We're gone for all money anyway so it never really mattered much

by **bigmick** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:35 pm

john craig wrote:Rafa takes the flak on here when we lose, so it's only right he gets the credit when we win.

He got the big decisions right - doubling up Aurelio and Insua to contain Valencia (who was their main threat on the day), playing Torres from the off (he has since admitted that was a last minute decision on the team bus on the way to the ground!), the centre back pairing hit it off and allowing Benayoun and Kuyt to interchange freely gave us a nice fluency I thought. I wasn't sure about taking Torres off when he did because I thought it would invite pressure, it did, but the sub capitalised on them pouring forward by sticking in the second. He therefore got every big decision right on the day and fair play to him.

Totally agree with that John, 100%.

by **Dazzer** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:37 pm

john craig wrote:Rafa takes the flak on here when we lose, so it's only right he gets the credit when we win.

He got the big decisions right - doubling up Aurelio and Insua to contain Valencia (who was their main threat on the day), playing Torres from the off (he has since admitted that was a last minute decision on the team bus on the way to the ground!), the centre back pairing hit it off and allowing Benayoun and Kuyt to interchange freely gave us a nice fluency I thought. I wasn't sure about taking Torres off when he did because I thought it would invite pressure, it did, but the sub capitalised on them pouring forward by sticking in the second. He therefore got every big decision right on the day and fair play to him.

Agreed good Assessment that spot on pretty much how I felt about what he did right on day. :nod

by **bigmick** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:37 pm

LFC2007 wrote:We're gone for all money anyway so it never really mattered much

Unfortunately so, but there's no reason why we can't have a run at it at least. For a while there it was looking decidedly dodgy for the old top four slot, and while we're not now certainties after winning one game, we're certainly a better spot than we would have been had we lost it.

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:39 pm

Them players had fire in there bellys yesterday, they played for the shirt on there backs thats what i was made up with, An any player who does that including the boss with always get my support ,Feck me the journos were writing Rafas obituary before we had even kicked a ball yesterday, They must have had to work overtime last night changing there reports, Rafa has been absolutly crusified the past couple of weeks by the media not just him mind but the club, theyve made stories up about player unrest, player revolt, Rafa this, an that , Well fu.ck the lot of them because at Liverpool we always come back fighting, Fact

by **LFC2007** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:40 pm

Much better to be realistic and start focussing our efforts on the cups

by **bigmick** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:40 pm

LFC2007 wrote:Much better to be realistic and start focussing our efforts on the cups

by **LFC2007** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:42 pm

NANNY RED wrote:Them players had fire in there bellys yesterday, they played for the shirt on there backs thats what i was made up with, An any player who does that including the boss with always get my support ,Feck me the journos were writing Rafas obituary before we had even kicked a ball yesterday, They must have had to work overtime last night changing there reports, Rafa has been absolutly crusified the past couple of weeks by the media not just him mind but the club, theyve made stories up about player unrest, player revolt, Rafa this, an that , Well fu.ck the lot of them because at Liverpool we always come back fighting, Fact

Spot on

by **fivecups** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:51 pm

LFC2007 wrote:Much better to be realistic and start focussing our efforts on the cups

Well, I for one will be well fecked off if we don't play our best eleven on Wednesday. I think we can all agree the leagues gone and CL qualification aint going to happen so at least we can redeem the season by winning a trophy.

by **baldricks_cunning_plan** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:55 pm

fivecups wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:Much better to be realistic and start focussing our efforts on the cups

Well, I for one will be well fecked off if we don't play our best eleven on Wednesday. I think we can all agree the leagues gone and CL qualification aint going to happen so at least we can redeem the season by winning a trophy.

No soft lad we can't all agree the league has gone. So that's silly even suggesting we can.

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