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Postby Dazzer » Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:14 pm

Sabre wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Reg wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
phil_cool wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Rafa is our manager and he isn't going anywhere.

Mods can you set up a seperate sub forum for all the anti Rafa people? Maybe rename one of the other areas that don't get used much.

Segregationalist

Segregationist

Be nice to get it in scrabble.  :buttrock

You´ll get even more scrabble points from the 'MiserableTw@tsForum'.

Meanwhile this forum is becoming so negative its not fun, and we wonder why we lose so many good posters?

Might be because any one who comes to the forum with a view other then yours about the manager you go on witch hunt to discredit/tarnish thier word.

Hello Dazzer, welcome to the forum

Dazzer wrote:I personaly think fans that protect managers can do more harm then good most of time so reg think about that


Care to explain how those fans make more harm than good?

And what do you mean by tarnish and discredit, sentences like the one you wrote in the first page?

Thank you Dazzer.

Here ya go have a read.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/discredit

O and thanks for welcome Hi right back at ya.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:16 pm

How the hell can fans backing the manager be harmful in anyway shape or form - the noise coming from the crowd yesterday was the fans backing and supporting the players and manager and you can see that effect .
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Postby Dazzer » Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:16 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Let me see - Ok you want to know how Rafa will get them up against mid table and bottom half teams and im showing that we have already stuffed hull,burnley and stoke as well as beating both bolton and west ham so there is a little bit of proof about rafa and the players against those teams.

Will refer you once again to this post which you failed to respond to Dazzer  :;):

Those teams you put thier are poor and will most likely be in bottom 3 come end of season it is no +++ for a top 4 manager to beat them and beat them easy.

My point is when we have up to yesterday come up vs a team with any level fo play in them we have found it very hard.I hope today we put it behind us and go on good run but I really doubt it.

yet results against those teams last year were a big reason we failed to win the league . Bolton Stoke etc were top half teams last season and this season - Burnley already beaten Man Utd .

Yes its true good point but tbh we was only few points of win and losing 4 league games already is am improvement ?
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Postby Ciggy » Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:16 pm

Cant people just enjoy the win? I think we will turn the corner now, and sacking the manager at this point in the season is pathetic.

Rafa is here to stay people need to get that into their thick skulls.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:17 pm

Dazzer wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Let me see - Ok you want to know how Rafa will get them up against mid table and bottom half teams and im showing that we have already stuffed hull,burnley and stoke as well as beating both bolton and west ham so there is a little bit of proof about rafa and the players against those teams.

Will refer you once again to this post which you failed to respond to Dazzer  :;):

Those teams you put thier are poor and will most likely be in bottom 3 come end of season it is no +++ for a top 4 manager to beat them and beat them easy.

My point is when we have up to yesterday come up vs a team with any level fo play in them we have found it very hard.I hope today we put it behind us and go on good run but I really doubt it.

yet results against those teams last year were a big reason we failed to win the league . Bolton Stoke etc were top half teams last season and this season - Burnley already beaten Man Utd .

Yes its true good point but tbh we was only few points of win and losing 4 league games already is am improvement ?

If we draw a lot less than last season and turn those draws into wins despite loosing a few more than last season then yes it is an improvement.
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Postby Dazzer » Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:19 pm

Ciggy wrote:Cant people just enjoy the win? I think we will turn the corner now, and sacking the manager at this point in the season is pathetic.

Rafa is here to stay people need to get that into their thick skulls.

I agree can't see him going atm but really people are not thick because their view differs from yours.Just means you are part of a world where you can walk into any pub , shop , workplace and you never get same answer to a debate.
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Postby Emerald Red » Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:21 pm

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Reg wrote:1. Rafa is displaying the skills we all knew he had, only weak wristed, over excited homos thought he should be sacked in the first place.

2. The mere fact that folks called for his head in October when we know there is no money to improve the squad, that our owners are near bankrupt and that we have a ticking timebomb called a new stadium shows just how out of touch those people are.

3. Over excited schoolboys blocking forums calling for Rafa to be sacked should be banned.

Well and truely nailed your colours to the mast there, Reg. Fair play.

If only I kept track of the amount of posters on here who openly declaired capitulation that we'd easily be beaten on Sunday by them due to us having a cack squad of players bar Torres and Gerrard. I think Lucas and Mascherano in particular, as well as the rest of the team out there shut them up.

If you look back you will see that Ace, BigMick and Dazzer the so called anti's, all thought we would win, while Reg said he would be happy with 1-0 either way!

that doesnt mean that Reg is against Rafa tho, in all honesty that was just being realistic in the circumstances which we were dealt so I completely fail to see your point there altogether

Exactly. I was speaking about the posters who were both calling for the sack, and saying how the match against them was going to be a fith consecutive defeat like it was fact.
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Postby Dazzer » Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:26 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Let me see - Ok you want to know how Rafa will get them up against mid table and bottom half teams and im showing that we have already stuffed hull,burnley and stoke as well as beating both bolton and west ham so there is a little bit of proof about rafa and the players against those teams.

Will refer you once again to this post which you failed to respond to Dazzer  :;):

Those teams you put thier are poor and will most likely be in bottom 3 come end of season it is no +++ for a top 4 manager to beat them and beat them easy.

My point is when we have up to yesterday come up vs a team with any level fo play in them we have found it very hard.I hope today we put it behind us and go on good run but I really doubt it.

yet results against those teams last year were a big reason we failed to win the league . Bolton Stoke etc were top half teams last season and this season - Burnley already beaten Man Utd .

Yes its true good point but tbh we was only few points of win and losing 4 league games already is am improvement ?

If we draw a lot less than last season and turn those draws into wins despite loosing a few more than last season then yes it is an improvement.

OK maybe the question should be then how many points did we drop last season ?

28

So far ths season 12 thats gap of 16 so thats 8 drawns or 5 more loses.Now we went on some good runs last season and I hope we can do the same.But the longest run we had in league last year with out a draw or loss was 5 games and I find it hard to see how we can better that.

So in order to better last season performance we need to not only go unbeated till end of season we have to drawn less then 7 games.Can you really see that happening with a weakened team which I think we all know was down to Rafa.
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Postby phil_cool » Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:28 pm

Greavesie wrote:
phil_cool wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Reg wrote:1. Rafa is displaying the skills we all knew he had, only weak wristed, over excited homos thought he should be sacked in the first place.

2. The mere fact that folks called for his head in October when we know there is no money to improve the squad, that our owners are near bankrupt and that we have a ticking timebomb called a new stadium shows just how out of touch those people are.

3. Over excited schoolboys blocking forums calling for Rafa to be sacked should be banned.

Well and truely nailed your colours to the mast there, Reg. Fair play.

If only I kept track of the amount of posters on here who openly declaired capitulation that we'd easily be beaten on Sunday by them due to us having a cack squad of players bar Torres and Gerrard. I think Lucas and Mascherano in particular, as well as the rest of the team out there shut them up.

If you look back you will see that Ace, BigMick and Dazzer the so called anti's, all thought we would win, while Reg said he would be happy with 1-0 either way!

that doesnt mean that Reg is against Rafa tho, in all honesty that was just being realistic in the circumstances which we were dealt so I completely fail to see your point there altogether

my point was that you can be anti Rafa without being anti Liverpool, and just because someone thinks we could perhaps do better under a different manager or that rafa may not be the genius that others think he is does not mean they are wrong unoptimistic or misguided. They just have a different opinion of why we haven't won anything for years, and maybe are not so willing to accept the usual excuses for our failings.
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Postby LFC2007 » Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:46 pm

S@int! :D

FACT
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Postby Reg » Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:47 pm

Dazzer, you think like a factory maintenance worker on a production line, if a machine is working 'out of tolerance' change it. Football is not  aproduction line, just because we dropped X points last season doesnt mean we will drop 'X-1' the following year or we have to make changes as obviously the manager has lost the plot.

Football management is like all 'management' it is a question of putting variables together, studying the sum of various parts and assessing a likely outcome.

If you dont understand that then theres really no point going on as you´ll be missing one of the key components of life - interaction and dependence on other people to execute a plan against unpredictable variables against which there is no certainty as to the outcome of your plan further complicated by unknowns such as bad reffing, beachballs, injuries and misses that should have been slotted.

In that respect I believe Rafael to be the best manager out there and beating United 3/3 and having Ferguson crying to the press they lost due bad reffing is confirmation of that.
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Postby phil_cool » Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:49 pm

LFC2007 wrote:S@int! :D

FACT

Close but no
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Postby Benny The Noon » Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:48 pm

Dazzer wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Let me see - Ok you want to know how Rafa will get them up against mid table and bottom half teams and im showing that we have already stuffed hull,burnley and stoke as well as beating both bolton and west ham so there is a little bit of proof about rafa and the players against those teams.

Will refer you once again to this post which you failed to respond to Dazzer  :;):

Those teams you put thier are poor and will most likely be in bottom 3 come end of season it is no +++ for a top 4 manager to beat them and beat them easy.

My point is when we have up to yesterday come up vs a team with any level fo play in them we have found it very hard.I hope today we put it behind us and go on good run but I really doubt it.

yet results against those teams last year were a big reason we failed to win the league . Bolton Stoke etc were top half teams last season and this season - Burnley already beaten Man Utd .

Yes its true good point but tbh we was only few points of win and losing 4 league games already is am improvement ?

If we draw a lot less than last season and turn those draws into wins despite loosing a few more than last season then yes it is an improvement.

OK maybe the question should be then how many points did we drop last season ?

28

So far ths season 12 thats gap of 16 so thats 8 drawns or 5 more loses.Now we went on some good runs last season and I hope we can do the same.But the longest run we had in league last year with out a draw or loss was 5 games and I find it hard to see how we can better that.

So in order to better last season performance we need to not only go unbeated till end of season we have to drawn less then 7 games.Can you really see that happening with a weakened team which I think we all know was down to Rafa.

Yes rafa himself injured Torres,gerrard,agger,aurelio,masher etc - its all Rafas fault


:)
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Postby Dazzer » Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:59 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Dazzer wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Let me see - Ok you want to know how Rafa will get them up against mid table and bottom half teams and im showing that we have already stuffed hull,burnley and stoke as well as beating both bolton and west ham so there is a little bit of proof about rafa and the players against those teams.

Will refer you once again to this post which you failed to respond to Dazzer  :;):

Those teams you put thier are poor and will most likely be in bottom 3 come end of season it is no +++ for a top 4 manager to beat them and beat them easy.

My point is when we have up to yesterday come up vs a team with any level fo play in them we have found it very hard.I hope today we put it behind us and go on good run but I really doubt it.

yet results against those teams last year were a big reason we failed to win the league . Bolton Stoke etc were top half teams last season and this season - Burnley already beaten Man Utd .

Yes its true good point but tbh we was only few points of win and losing 4 league games already is am improvement ?

If we draw a lot less than last season and turn those draws into wins despite loosing a few more than last season then yes it is an improvement.

OK maybe the question should be then how many points did we drop last season ?

28

So far ths season 12 thats gap of 16 so thats 8 drawns or 5 more loses.Now we went on some good runs last season and I hope we can do the same.But the longest run we had in league last year with out a draw or loss was 5 games and I find it hard to see how we can better that.

So in order to better last season performance we need to not only go unbeated till end of season we have to drawn less then 7 games.Can you really see that happening with a weakened team which I think we all know was down to Rafa.

Yes rafa himself injured Torres,gerrard,agger,aurelio,masher etc - its all Rafas fault


:)

You have to plan for injurys any thing else at this level is idiotic.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:01 pm

You cant plan for up to 7 first teamers being out injured and having the exact level of replacements unless you can spend over 200 mil on players ala Chelsea ,Man City and Man Utd - they are able to spend 20 mil on a player just to warm the bench . Ala Nani,etc

FFS Rafa doesnt have a crystal ball .

If Chelsea and Man Utd lost 6 plus first teamers they would be fecked as well .
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