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by **Bammo** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:07 pm

The Lucas poll seemed to split people on here almost 50/50 between those who thought he was good or had potential and those who thought he would get no better.

Then Bad Bob was shooting down old polls and threads but unfortunately had the accuracy of a Carragher thunderbolt and wiped the Lucas poll out :laugh:

Rather than repeat it, I thought I'd offer a few options for what people prefer Rafa to do about the midfield.

I've probably missed a few options off so point them out politely

by **heimdall** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:10 pm

Mascha DM, Stevie CM and Benni AM.

by **aCe'** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:16 pm

lol.. quite the popular poll u got there mate

Guess everyone will vote for the 4-1-4-1 which wont quite be a 4-1-4-1 in reality simply because the spaces arent there to be playing it... 4-4-2 for me with Gerrard and Masch down the middle... Guess a 4-2-3-1 with Gerrard, Masch and Benny down the middle could work too but the over-dependence on Torres to score goals might cost us.. Id like to see Benny and Riera in the starting lineup and i feel the only best way to accommodate both + Gerrard, Torres and Kuyt in the side would be a 4-4-2..

by **heimdall** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:21 pm

aCe' wrote:lol.. quite the popular poll u got there mate

Guess everyone will vote for the 4-1-4-1 which wont quite be a 4-1-4-1 in reality simply because the spaces arent there to be playing it... 4-4-2 for me with Gerrard and Masch down the middle... Guess a 4-2-3-1 with Gerrard, Masch and Benny down the middle could work too but the over-dependence on Torres to score goals might cost us.. Id like to see Benny and Riera in the starting lineup and i feel the only best way to accommodate both + Gerrard, Torres and Kuyt in the side would be a 4-4-2..

Ace I agree about the over dependence on Torres but the problem is that we only have one viable striker.

Kuyt just can't play as striker, he has proved that on far too many occasions, maybe in a parallel dimension Babel is a good striker but he sure as feck isn't in this one and don't even get me started on Voronin and Wash. :down:

by **aCe'** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:29 pm

heimdall wrote:
aCe' wrote:lol.. quite the popular poll u got there mate

Guess everyone will vote for the 4-1-4-1 which wont quite be a 4-1-4-1 in reality simply because the spaces arent there to be playing it... 4-4-2 for me with Gerrard and Masch down the middle... Guess a 4-2-3-1 with Gerrard, Masch and Benny down the middle could work too but the over-dependence on Torres to score goals might cost us.. Id like to see Benny and Riera in the starting lineup and i feel the only best way to accommodate both + Gerrard, Torres and Kuyt in the side would be a 4-4-2..

Ace I agree about the over dependence on Torres but the problem is that we only have one viable striker.

Kuyt just can't play as striker, he has proved that on far too many occasions, maybe in a parallel dimension Babel is a good striker but he sure as feck isn't in this one and don't even get me started on Voronin and Wash.

Personally id have Kuyt up there... even if hes no good on his own, his movement could very well open up spaces for others to exploit.. His pressure on the defenders will make it harder for other sides to build up play from the back and would give Torres the chance to stay up and focus on what he does best...Johnson down the right gives us a world of options in most games as to what can be done with the slot ahead of him down the right wing.. To me, having someone who can drift in from there and have more influence from deeper would be interesting.. We've seen Kuyt do that (albeit to average standards) in the 3 or 4 games so far.. He did well to setup Torres in the Bolton game but besides that he was pretty poor in his general link up and buildup play...

I just think it would be interesting to see having our best attacking options in the side with their main assets being utilized as far as possible... dont think it'll happen and im not sure how it would turn out, but seems to be worth a shout atleast for me, and iv been wanting us to try it since preseason...

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:30 pm

Bammo wrote:Then Bad Bob was shooting down old polls and threads but unfortunately had the accuracy of a Carragher thunderbolt and wiped the Lucas poll out

Got on the ball in acres of space just beyond the "D" and had a sighting on the top corner... :buttrock

...but the ball ended up in Row Z and went for an oppo throw-in. :down:

by **heimdall** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:38 pm

aCe' wrote:
heimdall wrote:
aCe' wrote:lol.. quite the popular poll u got there mate

Guess everyone will vote for the 4-1-4-1 which wont quite be a 4-1-4-1 in reality simply because the spaces arent there to be playing it... 4-4-2 for me with Gerrard and Masch down the middle... Guess a 4-2-3-1 with Gerrard, Masch and Benny down the middle could work too but the over-dependence on Torres to score goals might cost us.. Id like to see Benny and Riera in the starting lineup and i feel the only best way to accommodate both + Gerrard, Torres and Kuyt in the side would be a 4-4-2..

Ace I agree about the over dependence on Torres but the problem is that we only have one viable striker.

Kuyt just can't play as striker, he has proved that on far too many occasions, maybe in a parallel dimension Babel is a good striker but he sure as feck isn't in this one and don't even get me started on Voronin and Wash.

Personally id have Kuyt up there... even if hes no good on his own, his movement could very well open up spaces for others to exploit.. His pressure on the defenders will make it harder for other sides to build up play from the back and would give Torres the chance to stay up and focus on what he does best...Johnson down the right gives us a world of options in most games as to what can be done with the slot ahead of him down the right wing.. To me, having someone who can drift in from there and have more influence from deeper would be interesting.. We've seen Kuyt do that (albeit to average standards) in the 3 or 4 games so far.. He did well to setup Torres in the Bolton game but besides that he was pretty poor in his general link up and buildup play...

I just think it would be interesting to see having our best attacking options in the side with their main assets being utilized as far as possible... dont think it'll happen and im not sure how it would turn out, but seems to be worth a shout atleast for me, and iv been wanting us to try it since preseason...

It's certainly worth a go, I agree on that, anything is better than what we have now. Surely Rafa can see that it's not working at the moment the same as we all can. I guess he is just hoping that Lucas and Mascha will start to work, hell of a gamble though.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:43 pm

aCe' wrote:
heimdall wrote:
aCe' wrote:lol.. quite the popular poll u got there mate

Guess everyone will vote for the 4-1-4-1 which wont quite be a 4-1-4-1 in reality simply because the spaces arent there to be playing it... 4-4-2 for me with Gerrard and Masch down the middle... Guess a 4-2-3-1 with Gerrard, Masch and Benny down the middle could work too but the over-dependence on Torres to score goals might cost us.. Id like to see Benny and Riera in the starting lineup and i feel the only best way to accommodate both + Gerrard, Torres and Kuyt in the side would be a 4-4-2..

Ace I agree about the over dependence on Torres but the problem is that we only have one viable striker.

Kuyt just can't play as striker, he has proved that on far too many occasions, maybe in a parallel dimension Babel is a good striker but he sure as feck isn't in this one and don't even get me started on Voronin and Wash.

Personally id have Kuyt up there... even if hes no good on his own, his movement could very well open up spaces for others to exploit.. His pressure on the defenders will make it harder for other sides to build up play from the back and would give Torres the chance to stay up and focus on what he does best...Johnson down the right gives us a world of options in most games as to what can be done with the slot ahead of him down the right wing.. To me, having someone who can drift in from there and have more influence from deeper would be interesting.. We've seen Kuyt do that (albeit to average standards) in the 3 or 4 games so far.. He did well to setup Torres in the Bolton game but besides that he was pretty poor in his general link up and buildup play...

I just think it would be interesting to see having our best attacking options in the side with their main assets being utilized as far as possible... dont think it'll happen and im not sure how it would turn out, but seems to be worth a shout atleast for me, and iv been wanting us to try it since preseason...

I agree Ace. Kuyt may not score many, but he is very good at creating space for others.

On his own as a striker he isn't much good but beside Torres I think he would be ok and probably our best option if Gerrard drops back to CM.

by **JoeTerp** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:58 pm

Is Lucas really playing like a DM now?? Look at where he was for Torres goal, do you remember the johnson through balls that were just inches too heavy for Lucas. You would never see Xabi in these positions.

by **Bammo** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:05 pm

He was until Bolton. Hopefully that's because he's been told to push further forwards but my worry is he only moved forwards because Gerrard was man-marked.

by **aCe'** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:06 pm

JoeTerp wrote:Is Lucas really playing like a DM now?? Look at where he was for Torres goal, do you remember the johnson through balls that were just inches too heavy for Lucas. You would never see Xabi in these positions.

whatever it is that hes playing just isnt working.. think hes more a box to box midfielder but needs someone able to pass the ball playing next to him... As things stand, he's the one we're looking at to be starting the attacks given our setup.. hes failed miserably in his duties imo...

by **Fowler_E7** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:16 pm

build the team around Lucas, he's the future of this club

by **LFC2007** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:20 pm

Options 2, 4, and 5 are essentially the same.

Another option that may aswell be mentioned, even if just to cause a stir, would be Aurelio in there.

by **Bammo** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:30 pm

LFC2007 wrote:Options 2, 4, and 5 are essentially the same.

2. Masch Gerrard

Benny

4. Masch

Benny Gerrard

5. Masch

Gerrard

Torres Kuyt (?)

All shooting down before anyone starts

by **Effes** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:34 pm

Ah - a hybrid version of my "formation for Bolton" thread

4-4-2 - I disagree with anyone who says Kuyt cant play upfront with Torres.

Option 5 for me.

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