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aCe' wrote:

GYBS wrote:Whoa guess only selected few are allowed humour posts - apologies that smiley wasnt added to show it was just a bit of mickey taking

P.s. shall we just make one Rafa slagging off thread as most threads seem to be turning into a good old grumble about our manager .

dont be an idiot Gybs, wheres the slagging ?

You have you, and Lando moaning about posters and other peoples opinions rather than getting involved in the discussion...grow the fck up .. thats what ruins the threads... not figures that might or might not prove that Rafa isnt that miracle working genius who used a very limited budget to bring in "world class" talent all over the pitch....


And penguin, havent seen any site or source or whatever that says that Benitez only bought 31 players or only spent 227mill or whatever... id say you figures are about 30 players and 40mill short but whatever...

Yeah stop being so insulting dude, be more like Lando.   

aCe' wrote:

GYBS wrote:Whoa guess only selected few are allowed humour posts - apologies that smiley wasnt added to show it was just a bit of mickey taking

P.s. shall we just make one Rafa slagging off thread as most threads seem to be turning into a good old grumble about our manager .

dont be an idiot Gybs, wheres the slagging ?

You have you, and Lando moaning about posters and other peoples opinions rather than getting involved in the discussion...grow the fck up .. thats what ruins the threads... not figures that might or might not prove that Rafa isnt that miracle working genius who used a very limited budget to bring in "world class" talent all over the pitch....


And penguin, havent seen any site or source or whatever that says that Benitez only bought 31 players or only spent 227mill or whatever... id say you figures are about 30 players and 40mill short but whatever...

I didn't think you lot would leave me out of this "debate" for long... 

Listen, cretin - which is the better team - LFC 2003-04 or LFC 2008-09?

Precisely - now shut up, you silly sod.

Lando_Griffin wrote:

aCe' wrote:

GYBS wrote:Whoa guess only selected few are allowed humour posts - apologies that smiley wasnt added to show it was just a bit of mickey taking

P.s. shall we just make one Rafa slagging off thread as most threads seem to be turning into a good old grumble about our manager .

dont be an idiot Gybs, wheres the slagging ?

You have you, and Lando moaning about posters and other peoples opinions rather than getting involved in the discussion...grow the fck up .. thats what ruins the threads... not figures that might or might not prove that Rafa isnt that miracle working genius who used a very limited budget to bring in "world class" talent all over the pitch....


And penguin, havent seen any site or source or whatever that says that Benitez only bought 31 players or only spent 227mill or whatever... id say you figures are about 30 players and 40mill short but whatever...

I didn't think you lot would leave me out of this "debate" for long... 

Listen, cretin - which is the better team - LFC 2003-04 or LFC 2008-09?

Precisely - now shut up, you silly sod.

Reg wrote:You look nekid without your cards Lando......

I'm the bad boy of this forum these days   

Lando_Griffin wrote:

aCe' wrote:

GYBS wrote:Whoa guess only selected few are allowed humour posts - apologies that smiley wasnt added to show it was just a bit of mickey taking

P.s. shall we just make one Rafa slagging off thread as most threads seem to be turning into a good old grumble about our manager .

dont be an idiot Gybs, wheres the slagging ?

You have you, and Lando moaning about posters and other peoples opinions rather than getting involved in the discussion...grow the fck up .. thats what ruins the threads... not figures that might or might not prove that Rafa isnt that miracle working genius who used a very limited budget to bring in "world class" talent all over the pitch....


And penguin, havent seen any site or source or whatever that says that Benitez only bought 31 players or only spent 227mill or whatever... id say you figures are about 30 players and 40mill short but whatever...

I didn't think you lot would leave me out of this "debate" for long... 

Listen, cretin - which is the better team - LFC 2003-04 or LFC 2008-09?

Precisely - now shut up, you silly sod.

heimdall wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

aCe' wrote:

GYBS wrote:Whoa guess only selected few are allowed humour posts - apologies that smiley wasnt added to show it was just a bit of mickey taking

P.s. shall we just make one Rafa slagging off thread as most threads seem to be turning into a good old grumble about our manager .

dont be an idiot Gybs, wheres the slagging ?

You have you, and Lando moaning about posters and other peoples opinions rather than getting involved in the discussion...grow the fck up .. thats what ruins the threads... not figures that might or might not prove that Rafa isnt that miracle working genius who used a very limited budget to bring in "world class" talent all over the pitch....


And penguin, havent seen any site or source or whatever that says that Benitez only bought 31 players or only spent 227mill or whatever... id say you figures are about 30 players and 40mill short but whatever...

I didn't think you lot would leave me out of this "debate" for long... 

Listen, cretin - which is the better team - LFC 2003-04 or LFC 2008-09?

Precisely - now shut up, you silly sod.

Sticks and stones, didn't I read somewhere about name calling be frowned upon..........

Effes wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

aCe' wrote:

GYBS wrote:Whoa guess only selected few are allowed humour posts - apologies that smiley wasnt added to show it was just a bit of mickey taking

P.s. shall we just make one Rafa slagging off thread as most threads seem to be turning into a good old grumble about our manager .

dont be an idiot Gybs, wheres the slagging ?

You have you, and Lando moaning about posters and other peoples opinions rather than getting involved in the discussion...grow the fck up .. thats what ruins the threads... not figures that might or might not prove that Rafa isnt that miracle working genius who used a very limited budget to bring in "world class" talent all over the pitch....


And penguin, havent seen any site or source or whatever that says that Benitez only bought 31 players or only spent 227mill or whatever... id say you figures are about 30 players and 40mill short but whatever...

I didn't think you lot would leave me out of this "debate" for long... 

Listen, cretin - which is the better team - LFC 2003-04 or LFC 2008-09?

Precisely - now shut up, you silly sod.

Im just gonna but in here - on the previous page you quoted him twice and gave him abuse, so I think he's well within his rights to mention you.

GYBS wrote:It was a great place for a while when we were winning - everyone was praising players and giving credit and enjoying being supporters

Rubbish!!

The same moaning tw@ts were moaning even when we were winning mate.

s@int wrote:To say we wern't attracting the same highly thought of players under Houllier is a load of balls. The FACT that a lot of the players were poor is another matter, but Babbel was one of the best defenders in the world, Diouf was African footballer of the year, Cisse was the highest rated young striker in Europe at the time, Anelka was one of the best players in the world, even Heskey was one of the highest rated young strikers in England, then we had Pongole and LeTallec both rated extremely highly as players for the future.

No, the problem was not that we couldn't attract the best, but we didn't make the right choices of the best. We made too many errors in the transfer market and we paid the price.

Well I have to admit Markus Babbel was a very good signing together with Sammi.

But Anelka being one of the best players in the world? Now you're pushing it a bit there. Anelka had loads of talent but the fact was that he was one of the most unwanted players back then. He was floundering at that time at PSG after his unsuccessful spell at Real Madrid. No big teams wanted him because of his reputation. Houllier brought him on loan and he didn't make much impact in our team either. After the loan spell who comes in for him? Manchester City! If he was one of the best players in the world surely there would be better teams than City lining up for him? And if he was one of the best players in the world surely Houllier would be labelled the stupidest manager on earth to not sign him. The fact was that Anelka was in decline back then because he had an attitude problem and was not focussed on football. It was only when he played for Bolton that he decided to stop complaining and start playing football. So no Anelka cannot be counted.

Heskey one of the highest rated young strikers in England? you made it sound like as if he was Wayne Rooney.    if he was considered one of the highest rated young strikers in England it was because England had very frew decent strikers back then. He only played for England because of this and because he was compatible with Owen.

Diouf African Footballer of the year? Sure we got Lucas Leiva best footballer in Brazil now. Is he in the same league as Xabi Alonso and Mascherano. No. Pongole and LeTallec? They're basically equivalent to Nemeth and El Zhar. Did we even see Le Tallec play?

Put it this way were any of the players Houllier bought ever chased by Real Madrid, Barcelona or Juventus? Don't think so. I'm not saying Houllier didn't bring in any good players. Babbel, Hyppia, Riise, Finnan, Mcallister all were good buys. But they were also more of niche market players.

All I'm saying is that under Rafa LFC has become a much more attractive club to play for because we're always doing well in the CL and he has put us back on the map in Europe.

Effes wrote:

maguskwt wrote:

Effes wrote:Hyypia and Hamman I'd put in that class, Henchoz at a push.

Hyppia yes (absolute bargain), Hamann no (one of the best holding midfielders who kept the game simple and effective but the talent level just can't be compared to Alonso's), and Henchoz by a mile no (he formed a formidable partnership with Hyppia but by himself he was never a world class defender).

Your original question was "Well who did we sign in the class of Alonso, Torres and Reina?"

My answer was that Hamman was in the same class as the ones you quoted; then you start talking about "talent level"

I also said Henchoz, at a push. And you did say that he formed a formidable partnership.
Surely you have to be of a certain class to form such a "formidable" partnership.

And Hyypia we agree on. 

So I dont think we are a million miles apart in our humble opinions. 

Well as much as I liked Hamann, I believe that he was never in the same league as Alonso mate. Henchoz?  ... not even as good as Agger... being able to form a good partnership with Hyppia is one thing... a world class player will mostly do well wherever he plays whichever system he plays in. Henchoz wasn't at that level.