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by **TheLad** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:32 am

aCe' wrote:yea... hopefully it happens much sooner than that... dont give a rats as$ if Rafa defended hiim or not....in our current system with his current position, the guy is nowhere near good enough... until Aquilani is back, him being in the side WILL cost us points unless we decide to change our formation or setup a little...

Utter bull*** imo. He is young, he is getting better, is in the brasil national team, he has some 10 more years to play at top level, why judge him so early, he deserves some more respect from the fans ffs.

by **Tim LFC** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:36 am

Lucas has been doing great! He's always improving. I can see him nabbing a few goals. If he can make some more great quick passes forward then that would be great. I would also like to see him position himself in a good position and have a crack against goal.

Also most pundits are clueless most of them probably don't even know there phone number! 090 ermm. :laugh:

by **burjennio** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:59 am

aCe' wrote:yea... hopefully it happens much sooner than that... dont give a rats as$ if Rafa defended hiim or not....in our current system with his current position, the guy is nowhere near good enough... until Aquilani is back, him being in the side WILL cost us points unless we decide to change our formation or setup a little...

Why can you not just admit that the guy has been improving when its clear to anyone thats watched the Reds since the turn of the year? When you come out with these statements going against the grain of what the majority of fans, the guys teammates and his manager can clearly see it makes you look pompous and foolish, and at worst like you would like to see players fail so you can be proved right, I seem to remember a former member taking that stance with Dirk Kuyt and it kills credibility.

There's enough going on behind the scenes atm to be venting our collective frustrations at, and there is definately players in the current squad that deserved to be taken to task alot more than Lucas

by **LFC2007** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:04 am

Like Babel, for example... but he has pace and trickery therefore he must have worthwhile potential :kungfu:

by **burjennio** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:16 am

LFC2007 wrote:Like Babel, for example... but he has pace and trickery therefore he must have worthwhile potential

a guy who atm looks for all intensive purposes like hes more happy collecting a huge paycheque and making awful music than in actually becoming a top football talent that most of the football world believes he can become.

by **aCe'** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:36 am

hahaha... great... we'll see about that in the next few games... the guy offers nothing and if you had put Spearing or even Plessis in his place against Stoke you wouldnt notice a difference... he wouldnt even make the bench at any other top club and theres a world of difference in terms of ability between him, Alonso, Aquilani, Carrick, Fabergas, Ballack, Lampard..etc (i.e other players who would play a similar position in our setup)

He might improve in a few years but still nowhere near enough to become a first team regular here... His job or rather his role is taking the ball out from the back and providing the attacking players with good balls... hes average at best at that... Support the players and all that but lets not get all deluded there... Still waiting to see how he does against a side that actually looks to play the ball through the middle and has half decent midfielders, safe to say the game against Tottenham exposed the huge gap in our midfield that Alonsos departure resulted in...

by **burjennio** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:48 am

aCe' wrote:hahaha... great... we'll see about that in the next few games... the guy offers nothing and if you had put Spearing or even Plessis in his place against Stoke you wouldnt notice a difference... he wouldnt even make the bench at any other top club and theres a world of difference in terms of ability between him, Alonso, Aquilani, Carrick, Fabergas, Ballack, Lampard..etc (i.e other players who would play a similar position in our setup)

He might improve in a few years but still nowhere near enough to become a first team regular here... His job or rather his role is taking the ball out from the back and providing the attacking players with good balls... hes average at best at that... Support the players and all that but lets not get all deluded there... Still waiting to see how he does against a side that actually looks to play the ball through the middle and has half decent midfielders, safe to say the game against Tottenham exposed the huge gap in our midfield that Alonsos departure resulted in...

What exactly are you expecting in "the next few games?" Its irrelevant because if anything goes wrong you are gonna blame him anyway. And your comments on the Stoke game are totally hypothetical, how could you possibly know how Spearing or Plessis would have perfomed on Weds? Are you all knowing or did you run a simulation half a dozen times on Football Manager to come to that hypothesis? Open your eyes man, you don't have to rate him, but you have no reason to constantly criticize him for factors either beyond his control or totally based on a hypothetical situation.

by **heimdall** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:52 am

JoeTerp wrote:
Sabre wrote:
"Lucas has a very good mentality. But for someone of his age to suffer such criticism from the experts on TV is wrong," Benitez claimed.

"He is so good but still he was criticised. I do not understand why they do not criticise other players, more senior players, when they do not play well.

"He is an easy target and maybe they are not brave enough to criticise the bigger players here."

Rafa telling the tv pundits they know fúck all about football

dropping some truth bombs on their as.ses

ra ra ra, so all pundits are idiots are they or do they just tell an inconvenient truth sometimes?

Yes this Lucas thing proves that Rafa is an excellent man-manager, backing a sh1t player what a guy!! :no

by **heimdall** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:56 am

TheLad wrote:
aCe' wrote:yea... hopefully it happens much sooner than that... dont give a rats as$ if Rafa defended hiim or not....in our current system with his current position, the guy is nowhere near good enough... until Aquilani is back, him being in the side WILL cost us points unless we decide to change our formation or setup a little...

Utter bull*** imo. He is young, he is getting better, is in the brasil national team, he has some 10 more years to play at top level, why judge him so early, he deserves some more respect from the fans ffs.

Hey if you polish that turd hard enough it just might turn into gold one day.

by **heimdall** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:58 am

burjennio wrote:
aCe' wrote:hahaha... great... we'll see about that in the next few games... the guy offers nothing and if you had put Spearing or even Plessis in his place against Stoke you wouldnt notice a difference... he wouldnt even make the bench at any other top club and theres a world of difference in terms of ability between him, Alonso, Aquilani, Carrick, Fabergas, Ballack, Lampard..etc (i.e other players who would play a similar position in our setup)

He might improve in a few years but still nowhere near enough to become a first team regular here... His job or rather his role is taking the ball out from the back and providing the attacking players with good balls... hes average at best at that... Support the players and all that but lets not get all deluded there... Still waiting to see how he does against a side that actually looks to play the ball through the middle and has half decent midfielders, safe to say the game against Tottenham exposed the huge gap in our midfield that Alonsos departure resulted in...

What exactly are you expecting in "the next few games?" Its irrelevant because if anything goes wrong you are gonna blame him anyway. And your comments on the Stoke game are totally hypothetical, how could you possibly know how Spearing or Plessis would have perfomed on Weds? Are you all knowing or did you run a simulation half a dozen times on Football Manager to come to that hypothesis? Open your eyes man, you don't have to rate him, but you have no reason to constantly criticize him for factors either beyond his control or totally based on a hypothetical situation.

Is it beyond his control that he is :censored:

?

by **burjennio** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:01 am

heimdall wrote:

ra ra ra, so all pundits are idiots are they or do they just tell an inconvenient truth sometimes?

Yes this Lucas thing proves that Rafa is an excellent man-manager, backing a sh1t player what a guy!!

You're right, when you said his man-management is sh*t, or wait are you right now, when you are saying that his man-management is in fact good, but the player in question is sh*t, or sorry maybe

He showing man-management and you are full of sh*t

Nailed it.

by **burjennio** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:04 am

heimdall wrote:
burjennio wrote:
aCe' wrote:hahaha... great... we'll see about that in the next few games... the guy offers nothing and if you had put Spearing or even Plessis in his place against Stoke you wouldnt notice a difference... he wouldnt even make the bench at any other top club and theres a world of difference in terms of ability between him, Alonso, Aquilani, Carrick, Fabergas, Ballack, Lampard..etc (i.e other players who would play a similar position in our setup)

He might improve in a few years but still nowhere near enough to become a first team regular here... His job or rather his role is taking the ball out from the back and providing the attacking players with good balls... hes average at best at that... Support the players and all that but lets not get all deluded there... Still waiting to see how he does against a side that actually looks to play the ball through the middle and has half decent midfielders, safe to say the game against Tottenham exposed the huge gap in our midfield that Alonsos departure resulted in...

What exactly are you expecting in "the next few games?" Its irrelevant because if anything goes wrong you are gonna blame him anyway. And your comments on the Stoke game are totally hypothetical, how could you possibly know how Spearing or Plessis would have perfomed on Weds? Are you all knowing or did you run a simulation half a dozen times on Football Manager to come to that hypothesis? Open your eyes man, you don't have to rate him, but you have no reason to constantly criticize him for factors either beyond his control or totally based on a hypothetical situation.

Is it beyond his control that he is ?

sorry to double post but he is in fact so sh*t that he's been called up into the Brazil squad, how f*cking awful do you have to be to get anywhere near those muppets? :help

by **heimdall** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:05 am

burjennio wrote:
heimdall wrote:

ra ra ra, so all pundits are idiots are they or do they just tell an inconvenient truth sometimes?

Yes this Lucas thing proves that Rafa is an excellent man-manager, backing a sh1t player what a guy!!

You're right, when you said his man-management is sh*t, or wait are you right now, when you are saying that his man-management is in fact good, but the player in question is sh*t, or sorry maybe

He showing man-management and you are full of sh*t

Nailed it.

I can't figure out whether you are trying to be funny or not, some sort of attempt at clever humour which fails perhaps.

I was being sarcastic for the record, I think Rafa is an appalling man-manager.

by **heimdall** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:07 am

burjennio wrote:
heimdall wrote:
burjennio wrote:
aCe' wrote:hahaha... great... we'll see about that in the next few games... the guy offers nothing and if you had put Spearing or even Plessis in his place against Stoke you wouldnt notice a difference... he wouldnt even make the bench at any other top club and theres a world of difference in terms of ability between him, Alonso, Aquilani, Carrick, Fabergas, Ballack, Lampard..etc (i.e other players who would play a similar position in our setup)

He might improve in a few years but still nowhere near enough to become a first team regular here... His job or rather his role is taking the ball out from the back and providing the attacking players with good balls... hes average at best at that... Support the players and all that but lets not get all deluded there... Still waiting to see how he does against a side that actually looks to play the ball through the middle and has half decent midfielders, safe to say the game against Tottenham exposed the huge gap in our midfield that Alonsos departure resulted in...

What exactly are you expecting in "the next few games?" Its irrelevant because if anything goes wrong you are gonna blame him anyway. And your comments on the Stoke game are totally hypothetical, how could you possibly know how Spearing or Plessis would have perfomed on Weds? Are you all knowing or did you run a simulation half a dozen times on Football Manager to come to that hypothesis? Open your eyes man, you don't have to rate him, but you have no reason to constantly criticize him for factors either beyond his control or totally based on a hypothetical situation.

Is it beyond his control that he is ?

sorry to double post but he is in fact so sh*t that he's been called up into the Brazil squad, how f*cking awful do you have to be to get anywhere near those muppets?

It's not a question of how sh1t, that is a bit rude to Brazil more a case of Brazil not really being at the peak any more and being in the squad is not the same as being in the team is it?

by **burjennio** » Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:22 am

heimdall wrote:
burjennio wrote:
heimdall wrote:
burjennio wrote:
aCe' wrote:hahaha... great... we'll see about that in the next few games... the guy offers nothing and if you had put Spearing or even Plessis in his place against Stoke you wouldnt notice a difference... he wouldnt even make the bench at any other top club and theres a world of difference in terms of ability between him, Alonso, Aquilani, Carrick, Fabergas, Ballack, Lampard..etc (i.e other players who would play a similar position in our setup)

He might improve in a few years but still nowhere near enough to become a first team regular here... His job or rather his role is taking the ball out from the back and providing the attacking players with good balls... hes average at best at that... Support the players and all that but lets not get all deluded there... Still waiting to see how he does against a side that actually looks to play the ball through the middle and has half decent midfielders, safe to say the game against Tottenham exposed the huge gap in our midfield that Alonsos departure resulted in...

What exactly are you expecting in "the next few games?" Its irrelevant because if anything goes wrong you are gonna blame him anyway. And your comments on the Stoke game are totally hypothetical, how could you possibly know how Spearing or Plessis would have perfomed on Weds? Are you all knowing or did you run a simulation half a dozen times on Football Manager to come to that hypothesis? Open your eyes man, you don't have to rate him, but you have no reason to constantly criticize him for factors either beyond his control or totally based on a hypothetical situation.

Is it beyond his control that he is ?

sorry to double post but he is in fact so sh*t that he's been called up into the Brazil squad, how f*cking awful do you have to be to get anywhere near those muppets?

It's not a question of how sh1t, that is a bit rude to Brazil more a case of Brazil not really being at the peak any more and being in the squad is not the same as being in the team is it?

Are you kidding me? We are talking about f*cking Brazil here, you could walk down a back alley in Rio and pick 11 random kids that could beat just about any other nation in the world ffs! Dont tell me that you believe he's only in the squad becasue Brazil simply don't have anyone other to choose from, don't you maybe second guess yourself form time to time? "This guy is a former Brazilian player of the year, he signed for Liverpool and is a regular starter as well as being called up to the Brazilian national team, maybe he has some talent that I simply can't see or am simply ignoring?"

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