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baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:The same with Black Awareness Week but no White Awareness. There's Black Colleges and Universities, there's Black History that is taught in schools. So from that I can understand why white people would feel annoyed. That's not equality, it's racist but because it racism on the part of black people nobody sees it as racism as apparently only white people can be racism.

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:

Bad Bob wrote:

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:The same with Black Awareness Week but no White Awareness. There's Black Colleges and Universities, there's Black History that is taught in schools. So from that I can understand why white people would feel annoyed. That's not equality, it's racist but because it racism on the part of black people nobody sees it as racism as apparently only white people can be racism.

I think your overall post was really good but I have a minor issue with this section.  There are things like "black history month" and that type of thing in schools because blacks are largely absent from the mainstream history taught during the rest of the term.  To put it another way, white people shouldn't get too upset about a lack of "white history month" because they get that and then some for the rest of the class in most cases.  Sometimes, to promote greater equality, you need to acknowledge that the playing field is a long way from being level still.

I understand that, mainly from watching the Fresh Prince where Will asks for it to be included.

But is there a Mexican month? Chinese month? And all other races. Not being American or never been in an American school I can't quite comment but I'd hazzard a guess that the only time Native American's pop up is during discussion about the white settlers.

By making certain months to teach certain races, it makes the matter worse. The educational system needs to find a way of including all parts of history without seperating it up to "Black History" and "White History".

Fair point, that.  Most critics would agree that a 'token' month for each minority is not the way forward.  The better approach would be to revamp the entire curriculum to be more inclusive and broad-ranging.  Unfortunately, there is a lot of heat generated when curricula get revamped: some segments of the public invariably have a moan about schools not teaching kids "the basics" anymore or being too PC in their approach.  The teaching of history and related humanities subjects can be a political minefield. 

Bad Bob wrote:

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:

Bad Bob wrote:

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:The same with Black Awareness Week but no White Awareness. There's Black Colleges and Universities, there's Black History that is taught in schools. So from that I can understand why white people would feel annoyed. That's not equality, it's racist but because it racism on the part of black people nobody sees it as racism as apparently only white people can be racism.

I think your overall post was really good but I have a minor issue with this section.  There are things like "black history month" and that type of thing in schools because blacks are largely absent from the mainstream history taught during the rest of the term.  To put it another way, white people shouldn't get too upset about a lack of "white history month" because they get that and then some for the rest of the class in most cases.  Sometimes, to promote greater equality, you need to acknowledge that the playing field is a long way from being level still.

I understand that, mainly from watching the Fresh Prince where Will asks for it to be included.

But is there a Mexican month? Chinese month? And all other races. Not being American or never been in an American school I can't quite comment but I'd hazzard a guess that the only time Native American's pop up is during discussion about the white settlers.

By making certain months to teach certain races, it makes the matter worse. The educational system needs to find a way of including all parts of history without seperating it up to "Black History" and "White History".

Fair point, that.  Most critics would agree that a 'token' month for each minority is not the way forward.  The better approach would be to revamp the entire curriculum to be more inclusive and broad-ranging.  Unfortunately, there is a lot of heat generated when curricula get revamped: some segments of the public invariably have a moan about schools not teaching kids "the basics" anymore or being too PC in their approach.  The teaching of history and related humanities subjects can be a political minefield. 

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:

Bad Bob wrote:

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:

Bad Bob wrote:

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:The same with Black Awareness Week but no White Awareness. There's Black Colleges and Universities, there's Black History that is taught in schools. So from that I can understand why white people would feel annoyed. That's not equality, it's racist but because it racism on the part of black people nobody sees it as racism as apparently only white people can be racism.

I think your overall post was really good but I have a minor issue with this section.  There are things like "black history month" and that type of thing in schools because blacks are largely absent from the mainstream history taught during the rest of the term.  To put it another way, white people shouldn't get too upset about a lack of "white history month" because they get that and then some for the rest of the class in most cases.  Sometimes, to promote greater equality, you need to acknowledge that the playing field is a long way from being level still.

I understand that, mainly from watching the Fresh Prince where Will asks for it to be included.

But is there a Mexican month? Chinese month? And all other races. Not being American or never been in an American school I can't quite comment but I'd hazzard a guess that the only time Native American's pop up is during discussion about the white settlers.

By making certain months to teach certain races, it makes the matter worse. The educational system needs to find a way of including all parts of history without seperating it up to "Black History" and "White History".

Fair point, that.  Most critics would agree that a 'token' month for each minority is not the way forward.  The better approach would be to revamp the entire curriculum to be more inclusive and broad-ranging.  Unfortunately, there is a lot of heat generated when curricula get revamped: some segments of the public invariably have a moan about schools not teaching kids "the basics" anymore or being too PC in their approach.  The teaching of history and related humanities subjects can be a political minefield. 

But surely people would see by teaching kids black and white and mexican and native american History and any other races history, that is more PC than simply teaching them one lesson on all history.

lakes10 wrote:

Dundalk wrote:

red37 wrote:Someone else who needs a slap - Tim Westwood....the bellend.

Yeah boooooooooyyyyyy!!

Tim Westwood was born on October 3rd 1957 in Lowestoft, Suffolk

oh dear.


i love this post on imdb site.


Westwood, you're white...GET OVER IT!


Shooting
Westwood was injured in a drive-by shooting in Kennington, South London, on 18 July 1999 - after he had been playing at the Lambeth Country Show in Brockwell Park. According to police reports, gunmen on a motorbike pulled up alongside his Range Rover and shot him and his assistant

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:On racism though I'll try and give my view.

For the 18 years I've been alive, I've lived in Toxteth. Now for anybody unaware of what Toxteth is, it's an inner city area of Liverpool and has the highest Black and I think Muslim community in Liverpool. So I've grown up around a lot of black people which have influenced my life massively because of the area I've grown up I've learnt to appriciate reggae music and Carribean food a lot more especially from the elder folk who are actually from the West Indian islands. And while I'm very proud to be white, I am also very proud to admit the influence I've had by black people.

Now when I went to secondy school (St Margaret's on Aigburth Rd) the number of whites to black was about 50 white to each black lad. Now a few lads I went to Windsor St School with applied to join Margy's and were just as intellegent as me so I find it baffling as to why the ratio was so high. But the racism aimed at the few black lads was shocking. I always argued back with anybody who used the racist terms because of my roots in Toxteth and the number of black mates I had and still have got. This isolated me a lot from some of the whites.

As for white lads "trying" to be black well most of the time that will just be down to the group of mates they have. As I've said because of the black mates I had, I fell in love with reggae and Ska music something I probably wouldn't have done if I'd been in an middle class white area. So if white lads are listening to hip hop, rap, RnB or whatever the latest name for it is, then where's the problem? By seeing a problem with it, you are being racist yourself. (you being nobody in particular, just generally) The same with the language thing. Scousers grow up saying la, Geordies grow up saying pet because it's the environment they are in, if a person is surrounded by people saying "ting" then they'll pick it up. I don't class it as trying to be black because there'll be many black people who don't say "ting" so it's not trying to be black, it's trying to fit in with the environment they're living in.

The gang thing, again I can safely say by growing up in Toxteth I've seen more than one gang or "firm" as some wanted to be called because they didn't like the term gang. Apparently a gang is a coward's version of a firm. In other words they've been watching Green Street and took the word firm from there. But this is not a race thing, as both whites and blacks have gangs which includes both races.

The real problem lies with people trying to glorify it. Films such as "This Is England" or "Made In England" do not help the racist issue. In "This Is England" (which I acutally like, mainly because of the soundtrack) the lead character, Shaun, and is portraying a 10 year old (I think that's the age) yet is being asked to go into the corner shop saying words like "paki" (appologies for the use of the word, but it's to make the point.) Then you have the skinhead leader, Combo, using words such as "wog" or "nigger" and kicking the s**t out of Milky because he is black. While the film is trying to show the truth to the origional skinhead trend, it also glorifies the problems of it, which will brainwash kids that it's right just as much as the good parts of it will do.

There's no need to glorify these sort of things. It's like Green Street, The Firm, Footy Factory and any other football hooligan film, it glorifies things that don't need to be. Then there's the telly shows like Rising Damp and The Fresh Prince where so many of the jokes are based on the ignorance people have towards racism but again kids watching them may well be brainwashed and think it's alright to have that attiude. Again there's computer games like GTA San Andreas where every other word is "nigger" while shagging a tart and carrying a gun. Then there's the common theme that every new rap song must include "I'm f*****g hoes with my niggaz".

The media are to blame as much as anybody for the modern day racism because they want it to continue which is why any slight disagreement between a white and black person (or any other race) there's up roar in the press.

Then of course we have the political correctness nonsense. We can no longer have blackboards, they have to be chalkboards but it's alright to have whiteboards. We can't have ba ba black sheep but we can have mary had a little lamb, it's fleece was as white as snow. This again is racist in it's own way by trying to make out they're not being racist. Nobody with a brain cell saw a problem with a blackboard but then again politicians don't have brain cells and by trying to look like the do gooders they end up making the situation worse.

Continuing along similar lines. In America there is "Miss Black America" for black american women but for "Miss America" anybody can enter. The same with Black Awareness Week but no White Awareness. There's Black Colleges and Universities, there's Black History that is taught in schools. So from that I can understand why white people would feel annoyed. That's not equality, it's racist but because it racism on the part of black people nobody sees it as racism as apparently only white people can be racism.

It's the same with derogatry terms. A straight lad says the word "queer" or "puff" or "shirt lifter" or any other term of that sort and he's homophobic but when a gay lad says it, all is ok. It's still using the same derogatry term. And the same with sexism, women can be as sexist as they want but when a bloke does it he's the world's worst.

The truth is, only whites can be racist, only straight people can be homophobic and only men can be sexist. And yes this rant is from a white, straight lad. And one who f*****g proud to be. That's not to say I am racist, homophobic or sexist because I don't think I am, it's just the way I see this so called politically correct world.

Lando_Griffin wrote:I'll tell you exactly why white kids try to be black: The Government have made it illegal to be patriotic about England. It's perfectly acceptable to fly a Jamaican/Pakistani/Iranian flag out of your window, but the minute you reveal a St. George's Cross, you are treated like a rapist.

Foreigners are actively encouraged to laud their lifestyles. What other culture would purport lyrics such as these?:

"When the pimp's in the crib ma
Drop it like it's hot
Drop it like it's hot
Drop it like it's hot
When the pigs try to get at ya
Park it like it's hot
Park it like it's hot
Park it like it's hot
And if a nigga get a attitude
Pop it like it's hot
Pop it like it's hot
Pop it like it's hot
I got the rolly on my arm and I'm pouring Chandon
And I roll the best weed cause I got it going on

[Verse - Pharrell Williams]
Uh! I'm a nice dude, with some nice dreams
See these ice cubes, see these Ice Creams?
Eligible bachelor, million dollar boat
That's whiter than what's spilling down your throat
The Phantom, exterior like fish eggs
The interior like suicide wrist red
I can excercise you, this can be your Phys. Ed
Cheat on your man ma, that's how you get ahizzead
Killer wit the beat, I know killers in the street
Wit the steel that'll make you feel like Chinchilla in the heat
So don't try to run up on my ear talking all that raspy
Trying to ask me
When my niggaz fill ya vest they ain't gon pass me
You should think about it, take a second
Matter fact, you should take four B
And think before you wit lil skateboard P

[Chorus]

[Verse - Snoop Dogg]
I'm a gangsta, but y'all knew that
Da Big Bo$$ Dogg, yeah I had to do that
I keep a blue flag hanging out my backside
But only on the left side, yeah that's the Crip side
Ain't no other way to play the game the way I play
I cut so much you thought I was a DJ
[scratches] "two!" - "one!" - "yep, three!"
S-N double O-P, D-O double G
I can't fake it, just break it, and when I take it
See I specialize in making all the girls get naked
So bring your friends, all of y'all come inside
We got a world premiere right here, now get live!
So don't change the dizzle, turn it up a little
I got a living room full of fine dime brizzles
Waiting on the Pizzle, the Dizzle and the Shizzle
G's to the bizzack, now ladies here we gizzo

[Chorus]

[Verse - Snoop Dogg]
I'm a Bad Boy, wit a lotta ho's
Drive my own cars, and wear my own clothes
I hang out tough, I'm a real Bo$$
Big Snoop Dogg, yeah he's so sharp
On the TV screen and in the magazines
If you play me close, you're on a red beam
Oh you got a gun so you wanna pop back?
AK47 now nigga, stop that!
Cement shoes, now I'm on the move
Your family's crying, now you on the news
They can't find you, and now they miss you
Must I remind you I'm only here to twist you
Pistol whip you, dip you then flip you
Then dance to this music we crip to
Subscribe nigga, get yo issue
Baby come close, let me see how you get loose!"

One song, glamourising the following:

Prostitution, drugs, stealing cars, anti-Police attitudes, murder, infidelity, treating women like sh*t and "gangsters".

- Such intellectual stimuli from one of the World's most famous rap "stars".

In simple terms, acting like a complete c*nt is being held up as the way to live your life, and the simple-minded, easily-led majority are happy to follow whichever dickhead gets the most publicity.