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[Sabre]

AID WORKERS KILLED

Im surprised 

I'm fed up of Israel, and that circus called U.N.


No wonder they'll use the terrorism pretext, but what is the difference between a military and a terrorist? former fight under some rules of engagement. The latter kill innocent civilians.

I know what Israel do. With high technology, but they do.

[Emerald Red]

AID WORKERS KILLED

Im surprised 

I'm fed up of Israel, and that circus called U.N.


No wonder they'll use the terrorism pretext, but what is the difference between a military and a terrorist? former fight under some rules of engagement. The latter kill innocent civilians.

I know what Israel do. With high technology, but they do.

All empirical military do it. There's been sh*t that's happened in Iraq that will never see the light of day in the media or justice systems committed by the Americans that can just as easily be deemed as acts of terrorism. It's funny how when a poor man wearing rags and has watched his son, daughter, wife, brother etc etc being gunned down or blown up, takes up a rusty AK-47 and decides to take the fight back to an army which he views as an invader in his land, and is heavily outmatched and has virtually no chance of what he's up against, yet still decides to fight, is easily labeled as a simple terrorist and nothing more.. I would say raining down death from on high via high tech aircraft that you can't even see coming on densely populated civilian areas killing over 100,000 people as an act of terrorism greater than that seen on 9/11. For people who just want to live their lives in peace, all war is terrorism regardless of whoever is carrying out the act in whatever cause.

[Effes]

All empirical military do it. There's been sh*t that's happened in Iraq that will never see the light of day in the media or justice systems committed by the Americans that can just as easily be deemed as acts of terrorism. It's funny how when a poor man wearing rags and has watched his son, daughter, wife, brother etc etc being gunned down or blown up, takes up a rusty AK-47 and decides to take the fight back to an army which he views as an invader in his land, and is heavily outmatched and has virtually no chance of what he's up against, yet still decides to fight, is easily labeled as a simple terrorist and nothing more.. I would say raining down death from on high via high tech aircraft that you can't even see coming on densely populated civilian areas killing over 100,000 people as an act of terrorism greater than that seen on 9/11. For people who just want to live their lives in peace, all war is terrorism regardless of whoever is carrying out the act in whatever cause.

Couldn't agree more Emerald - the word terrorism is just used as a slur.

[JoeTerp]

America is going to be in Afghanistan a lot longer than Iraq if we plan on "winning" both wars.

[Judge]

why is everyone surprised that anyone is at war

in 3000 years of human history there has only been 200 years of peace

its in our nature to war - so i dont think it will stop cause some of us think it should

[Sabre]

why is everyone surprised that anyone is at war

in 3000 years of human history there has only been 200 years of peace

its in our nature to war - so i dont think it will stop cause some of us think it should

Nevertheless, and this is a fact that is as old as wars, any side in any war will take care that the public opinion isn't against them. I haven't known a war without propaganda, and without each side saying they're winning, and that they're the right ones.

We can see that in how important is how the media tells us what happens. Every bit of info, and every story, is carefully told so that the public opinion gets the desired idea.

So, if we check the facts, if we protest against the killing of civilians, if we don't look somewhere else when atrocities are committed, then we might make a change.

If we don't care, they'll do whatever they want, that's for sure.

[supersub]

If we don't care, they'll do whatever they want, that's for sure.

And when we do care, they'll do whatever they want anyway.

[Judge]

unfortunately you will never be able to stop war with outside opinion sabre

its never been done before. as i said humans are a warring species, its in our nature.

weve all had fights at school. kids are still fighting now - this has not stopped in the 3 million years or so man has been on the planet

aint gonna stop now mate - i think you like watching H.G Wells time machine (the bit part from the quiet future where everyone loves each other)

[JoeTerp]

once we get legit democracies all over the world, there wont be any more wars.

[SupitsJonF]

once we get legit democracies all over the world, there wont be any more wars.

That will never happen!

Besides, world ends in 2012 anyways

[Number 9]

Watching the news and i can feel nothing but pity for the people of Gaza!Very sad watching kids begging for doctors who have to leave them because some other poor fecker is worse off and they are under staffed!

BUT..WTF are Hamas at?Its their fault.Just stop firing stupid crude homemade bombs indiscriminately into Israel..its really that simple!I back Israel 100% in what they are doing.They just want to live in peace but are protecting its people.Hamas cannot get away with shelling towns anymore.Its high time they respected Israel as a jewish state.FFS its really the only Jewish country in the world.i respect Israel bigtime,they take no shi'te and neither they should.

As for the death of innocents..very very sad but brought upon the people of Gaza by Hamas.And hey folk are saying,but they only have homemade rockets,its not fair..Israel have tanks and planes!
So what are Israel to do?fire homemade rockets back?
No..a cat scrabs a pitbull it gets the full force of its jaws..the pitbull does'nt say its only a pussy i wont bite so hard.Plus we all know by Hamas' cowardly random actions that it would use any means it had(if it had) to bomb Israel.Just because they are a chicken sh'it terrorist organisation with feck all artillary does not grant any quarter.Israel is right..weed the tramps out and keep doing so.If they come back do it again and again again until they get the message!
The bottom line is Muslim extremists need to learn that they will never succeed in wiping out infidels,they wont regain Israel and they sure as feck wont get their goal of making the whole world of their sick and disturbing mindset!
In fact they are just turning the world against the religion they feel should be forced upon us!
Damn shame as well..cause if practiced right (like 99%) of muslims do its harmless and could teach most a thing or two about respecting your life!

[aCe']

Watching the news and i can feel nothing but pity for the people of Gaza!Very sad watching kids begging for doctors who have to leave them because some other poor fecker is worse off and they are under staffed!

BUT..WTF are Hamas at?Its their fault.Just stop firing stupid crude homemade bombs indiscriminately into Israel..its really that simple!I back Israel 100% in what they are doing.They just want to live in peace but are protecting its people.Hamas cannot get away with shelling towns anymore.Its high time they respected Israel as a jewish state.FFS its really the only Jewish country in the world.i respect Israel bigtime,they take no shi'te and neither they should.

As for the death of innocents..very very sad but brought upon the people of Gaza by Hamas.And hey folk are saying,but they only have homemade rockets,its not fair..Israel have tanks and planes!
So what are Israel to do?fire homemade rockets back?
No..a cat scrabs a pitbull it gets the full force of its jaws..the pitbull does'nt say its only a pussy i wont bite so hard.Plus we all know by Hamas' cowardly random actions that it would use any means it had(if it had) to bomb Israel.Just because they are a chicken sh'it terrorist organisation with feck all artillary does not grant any quarter.Israel is right..weed the tramps out and keep doing so.If they come back do it again and again again until they get the message!
The bottom line is Muslim extremists need to learn that they will never succeed in wiping out infidels,they wont regain Israel and they sure as feck wont get their goal of making the whole world of their sick and disturbing mindset!
In fact they are just turning the world against the religion they feel should be forced upon us!
Damn shame as well..cause if practiced right (like 99%) of muslims do its harmless and could teach most a thing or two about respecting your life!

to put it nicely... you obviously know very little about the whole thing.. i suggest u read a little more about the history of the whole thing before making uninformed statements like the ones above...

end of the day its just ur opinion and i respect the right ur entitled to one... but its rubbish to say the least... i used to think pretty much the exact same way that you do ... overly simplistic and i now realize it makes one sound like every other ignorant twaat out there talking sht...

no offense intended and i really mean that... i suggest u read back a couple of pages and go through some of the articles and stuff.. maybe, just maybe ull start to develop a better understanding of the whole thing..

[supersub]

Watching the news and i can feel nothing but pity for the people of Gaza!Very sad watching kids begging for doctors who have to leave them because some other poor fecker is worse off and they are under staffed!

BUT..WTF are Hamas at?Its their fault.Just stop firing stupid crude homemade bombs indiscriminately into Israel..its really that simple!I back Israel 100% in what they are doing.They just want to live in peace but are protecting its people.Hamas cannot get away with shelling towns anymore.Its high time they respected Israel as a jewish state.FFS its really the only Jewish country in the world.i respect Israel bigtime,they take no shi'te and neither they should.

As for the death of innocents..very very sad but brought upon the people of Gaza by Hamas.And hey folk are saying,but they only have homemade rockets,its not fair..Israel have tanks and planes!
So what are Israel to do?fire homemade rockets back?
No..a cat scrabs a pitbull it gets the full force of its jaws..the pitbull does'nt say its only a pussy i wont bite so hard.Plus we all know by Hamas' cowardly random actions that it would use any means it had(if it had) to bomb Israel.Just because they are a chicken sh'it terrorist organisation with feck all artillary does not grant any quarter.Israel is right..weed the tramps out and keep doing so.If they come back do it again and again again until they get the message!
The bottom line is Muslim extremists need to learn that they will never succeed in wiping out infidels,they wont regain Israel and they sure as feck wont get their goal of making the whole world of their sick and disturbing mindset!
In fact they are just turning the world against the religion they feel should be forced upon us!
Damn shame as well..cause if practiced right (like 99%) of muslims do its harmless and could teach most a thing or two about respecting your life!

[maypaxvobiscum]

agreed Ace.  very naive of number9   

Since 2003, the Palestinian side has been fractured by conflict between the two major factions: Fatah, the largest party, and Hamas. As a result, the territory controlled by the Palestinian National Authority (the Palestinian interim government) is split between Fatah in the West Bank, and Hamas in the Gaza strip. This has proved problematic as Hamas is considered a terrorist organization by Israel and many other countries which means that despite the fact it won the Palestinian elections of 2006, it has not been allowed to participate in official negotiations.

In the Six-Day War in 1967, Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan, the Gaza Strip from Egypt, and East Jerusalem including the Old City and its holy sites, which Israel annexed and reunited with the western neighborhoods of Jerusalem. The status of the city as Israel's capital and the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip created a new set of contentious issues which became one major focus of the conflict.
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In 1970, the PLO was expelled from Jordan, in what was known as the Black September. Large numbers of Palestinians moved into Lebanon after the Black September, joining the thousands already there.
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In 1973 a coalition of Arab states led by Egypt and Syria launched the Yom Kippur War against Israel. The Egyptians and Syrians advanced during the first 24–48 hours, after which momentum began to swing in Israel's favor. Eventually a cease-fire took effect that ended the war. This war paved the way for the Camp David Accords in 1978, which set a precedent for future peace negotiations.
Palestinian National Authority
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Tensions between Israel and the PLO led Israel to invade Lebanon in the 1982 Lebanon War, forcing the PLO to withdraw again, this time to Tunisia. During the war, Israeli allies Phalangists committed the Sabra and Shatila massacre, between 700 and 3500 unarmed Palestinians were killed by the Phalange while the Israeli troops surrounded the camps with tanks and checkpoints, monitoring entrances and exits. Further Israeli investigation found that Ariel Sharon was indirectly responsible for failing to prevent the massacre, leading to his resignation as Israel's Defense Minister.
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In 1987, the First Intifada broke out, the Palestinian uprising against Israeli rule in the occupied territories. The uprising spread in Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem. The Intifada was renowned by its stone-throwing demonstrations by youth against the heavily-armed Israeli Defense Forces. Over the course of the First Intifada , a total 1,551 Palestinians and 422 Israelis were killed.  During the intifada, in 1987, Ahmed Yassin co-founded Hamas with Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi, Hamas has been involved in what it calls "armed resistance" against Israel since then.


from 2005 to 2007, 1290 Palestinians have died, 222 being under 18 at time of death. only 86 Israelis died. doesnt that show which party is being more aggresive? during those 3 years, a further 6297 Palestinians were injured. Israel had just 1183. now im not saying that both should have equal deaths just to be fair but the stats simply show how the Israelis have been so much more aggresive.

[tonyeh]

once we get legit democracies all over the world, there wont be any more wars.

Really?

"Democracies" like Israel the world could do without, IMHO.

Just because a Country embarks on a "Democratic" path (Though TRUE Democracy has never really existed) doesn't mean there will be no more war.