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Postby red37 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:04 pm

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red37 wrote:A thing which REALLY f*cks me off - is this adopted 'accent' that seems to be in vogue across London and the South east atm.

Where every sentence ends with a typical phrase such as - 'on da streets init laaaike' etc... They speak like absolute retards. Its not just blacks either its BOTH. Male and Female - there seems to be a whole 'new' way of talking that defies ALL education they may or may not subscribe to.

F*cking hate it  :angry:

you see your big mistake there is to say across London and the South east atm.

its only in some areas, in essex you would not her it much but soon you will as there are lots monving in from east london.

you can not say its the whole of the south east, that is what starts problems when someone starts taring a whole area with the same view.



Ive heard people on the telly speaking the same way from places as far afield as Ipswich, Cambridge, Milton Keynes, Oxford, Brighton - and of course large swathes of Greater London and countless others betwixt and between.  It is an extremely lazy way of articulating their limited vocabulary into some 'pseudo-ghetto' language that is rapidly growing in 'popularity'

F*ck knows what they are being taught in school these days regarding English Language. Now i mention those places above in particular, because i have lived in almost every one of them. There used to be (more than likely still is....in restricted parts) regional variances in dialect and local 'accent' present; especially in East Anglia and the closer you get to Central London.

But this form of language is of a broader aspect - mostly the young (although not exclusively so) and it is, as i say growing more and more common. Bone idle way of expressing yourself if you ask me.
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Postby JoeTerp » Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:10 pm

I would certianly say that racism on the whole over a large sample size is on the decline. At least over racism that is.  In America, we are still not THAT many generations away from slavery.  In terms of race relations change can only occur slowly and over a generation.  People's minds on things are just not going to change much, and are also going to be influenced by their parents.

considering how easily travel is getting, has gotten, and with english becoming more and more everybody's 2nd language (unless it switches to Mandarin in 20 years :O   )  I could see race in general as something that disapears from the picture with more and more interracial couples.  In America, we don't really think of Russians, Italians, and Scottish as different races. they are just white people (if your a 3rd or 4th generation "Euro Mutt" like myself.
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Postby Greavesie » Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:16 pm

Im not gonna say too much on the subject, I can see a few cards heading my way :D  anyway what I am going to say is that I completely agree with what Dawson has said so far

and Red37, the London accent thing p!sses me off no end. My mates at Uni from 'Laaaandan' talk like that. The accent gets stronger when they get p!ssed off as well and I can't help just laughing in their faces. The use of the accent in music really grinds on me t!ts n all
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Postby red37 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:29 pm

Greavesie wrote:Im not gonna say too much on the subject, I can see a few cards heading my way :D  anyway what I am going to say is that I completely agree with what Dawson has said so far

and Red37, the London accent thing p!sses me off no end. My mates at Uni from 'Laaaandan' talk like that. The accent gets stronger when they get p!ssed off as well and I can't help just laughing in their faces. The use of the accent in music really grinds on me t!ts n all

See, i have absolutely nothing against the true 'London' accent. In its standard form. Be that 'cockney' or otherwise. Most of the South-East use a generally similar generic 'accent' as well. No problem....

Its the white kids/adolescents etc who purport to go around sounding 'black' that do my head in. And when you hear the majority of the youths who ARE black....and speak 'laaaike dat uwl da taaaame' - its f*cking hilarious! It actually sounds pathetic that there seemingly has developed this 'code' of language that they all adhere to - tribal, almost.


Then again, the centuries have shown us how cultural change is brought about.......
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Postby lakes10 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:37 pm

JoeTerp wrote:I would certianly say that racism on the whole over a large sample size is on the decline. At least over racism that is.  In America, we are still not THAT many generations away from slavery.  In terms of race relations change can only occur slowly and over a generation.  People's minds on things are just not going to change much, and are also going to be influenced by their parents.

considering how easily travel is getting, has gotten, and with english becoming more and more everybody's 2nd language (unless it switches to Mandarin in 20 years :O   )  I could see race in general as something that disapears from the picture with more and more interracial couples.  In America, we don't really think of Russians, Italians, and Scottish as different races. they are just white people (if your a 3rd or 4th generation "Euro Mutt" like myself.

as you know i live in Essex, most of the home were built here after the war and familes moved in from the east end....thats why we have roads like upton close around here, but you can still spot the locals, Bav knows how i talk, i am told i talk Estuary English but in fact being from Stanford le hope i have also picked up a dialect thats not that well known and started from the farms near here, add to that the Cockney that is well used here still (by the real Cockney familes) it can turn very strange. what i hate is someone that moves in from some place like Southend and try to talk the same as someone from the east end...we call this Mockney.

we do tend to over use some letters like A and R, so laugh sounds like larf

and things like
We're going later, aren't we?", "I said that, didn't I?"


oh year and my dad was born in bethnal green london,born within the sound of Bow bell and in the same street as the Krays (but he was to young to know them, but they did give him money to look after the cars lol.)
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Postby we all dream... » Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:08 pm

I just moved back up north from living in London and one thing I hate whilst I was there was the accent of the young white lads. I would be sitting on a bus or tube and hear some lads talking in an odd accent it's like an mix between caribean and an african/english twang with gangstar element to it. They're talking about bitches and 'dat bitch was bear fit man, i'd like tap dat ting, ya get me' etc   :D  I turn round and it's 3 13 year old white boys with glasses. If they went to my school they would have been bullied, you know what sort of kid I mean and here they are talking as if they are 50cent. They listen to somalian grime music ffs!?!?!?

Tehn you get the black kids and they argue about who is the most African. I'm only 21 and ended up ahveing the odd question with a few of them (on the same route to work everyday) and some of them were very well rounded goods kids but none of them have been to africa but they seem to hang around in groups according to where according their family originated from. They get on with the white kids but they all hate the asians.

I speant a lot of time around Brick Lane, Liverpool Street and Bethnal Green. t was a bit ropy every now and then but other than that I felt fine, quite safe.. All though I went into a hairdressers (cheap barbers stye) once and was greeted with a 7 foot rasta a smile and then that squeaky type tutting noise black girls can often make, you know the one I mean, and then 'me dawn gan cut non whiiiite boy hair' (I do not cut white boy hair) and a swift :censored: off.' :D

In my home town of Morecambe it's unreal. I don't have a real racist / xenophobic bone in my body. (not zenophobia, the fear of suncream as google has just informed me) Everyone has a bit of banter but if I ever sensed someone was being serious or stepped over a line I'd certainly be offended and maybe pull them up on it. I don't know how I got like this though, this town is backwards, I grew up in a school with 100% white kids. They are quite a lot of asian familys about now but the majority fo the racism it targeted at Eastern Europeans. It's getting a bit out of control.. these big Latvian meat heads keep beating up all fo the scrawny smack head inbread racists.
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Postby lakes10 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:19 pm

we all dream... wrote:I just moved back up north from living in London and one thing I hate whilst I was there was the accent of the young white lads. I would be sitting on a bus or tube and hear some lads talking in an odd accent it's like an mix between caribean and an african/english twang with gangstar element to it. They're talking about bitches and 'dat bitch was bear fit man, i'd like tap dat ting, ya get me' etc   :D  I turn round and it's 3 13 year old white boys with glasses. If they went to my school they would have been bullied, you know what sort of kid I mean and here they are talking as if they are 50cent. They listen to somalian grime music ffs!?!?!?

Tehn you get the black kids and they argue about who is the most African. I'm only 21 and ended up ahveing the odd question with a few of them (on the same route to work everyday) and some of them were very well rounded goods kids but none of them have been to africa but they seem to hang around in groups according to where according their family originated from. They get on with the white kids but they all hate the asians.

I speant a lot of time around Brick Lane, Liverpool Street and Bethnal Green. t was a bit ropy every now and then but other than that I felt fine, quite safe.. All though I went into a hairdressers (cheap barbers stye) once and was greeted with a 7 foot rasta a smile and then that squeaky type tutting noise black girls can often make, you know the one I mean, and then 'me dawn gan cut non whiiiite boy hair' (I do not cut white boy hair) and a swift :censored: off.' :D

In my home town of Morecambe it's unreal. I don't have a real racist / xenophobic bone in my body. (not zenophobia, the fear of suncream as google has just informed me) Everyone has a bit of banter but if I ever sensed someone was being serious or stepped over a line I'd certainly be offended and maybe pull them up on it. I don't know how I got like this though, this town is backwards, I grew up in a school with 100% white kids. They are quite a lot of asian familys about now but the majority fo the racism it targeted at Eastern Europeans. It's getting a bit out of control.. these big Latvian meat heads keep beating up all fo the scrawny smack head inbread racists.

there are a few shops in Grays Thurrock that say "no whites" i dont know how they get away with it.

someone that gets my goat is danny dyer, now i met the guy and still can not work him out.
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Postby red37 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:21 pm

Someone else who needs a slap - Tim Westwood....the bellend.
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Postby Dundalk » Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:30 pm

red37 wrote:Someone else who needs a slap - Tim Westwood....the bellend.

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Postby lakes10 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:30 pm

red37 wrote:Someone else who needs a slap - Tim Westwood....the bellend.

:buttrock  :buttrock

have you seen him in some of them black rapper videos on sky, you know the ones...the naked women ones.
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Postby lakes10 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:32 pm

Dundalk wrote:
red37 wrote:Someone else who needs a slap - Tim Westwood....the bellend.

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Yeah boooooooooyyyyyy!!

Tim Westwood was born on October 3rd 1957 in Lowestoft, Suffolk

oh dear.


i love this post on imdb site.


Westwood, you're white...GET OVER IT!


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Westwood was injured in a drive-by shooting in Kennington, South London, on 18 July 1999 - after he had been playing at the Lambeth Country Show in Brockwell Park. According to police reports, gunmen on a motorbike pulled up alongside his Range Rover and shot him and his assistant
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Postby red37 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:44 pm

MASSIVE!


No way he's 52 acting like that   :no
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Postby LFC2007 » Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:44 pm

lakes10 wrote:Why to white teenages try to act like thet are from america and black?

Globularisation  :(
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Postby baldricks_cunning_plan » Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:26 am

red37 wrote:MASSIVE!


No way he's 52 acting like that   :no

No he's 51.

He'll turn 52 in October, so I suppose he has a couple more months of acting like a p***k.

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Postby baldricks_cunning_plan » Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:10 am

On racism though I'll try and give my view.

For the 18 years I've been alive, I've lived in Toxteth. Now for anybody unaware of what Toxteth is, it's an inner city area of Liverpool and has the highest Black and I think Muslim community in Liverpool. So I've grown up around a lot of black people which have influenced my life massively because of the area I've grown up I've learnt to appriciate reggae music and Carribean food a lot more especially from the elder folk who are actually from the West Indian islands. And while I'm very proud to be white, I am also very proud to admit the influence I've had by black people.

Now when I went to secondy school (St Margaret's on Aigburth Rd) the number of whites to black was about 50 white to each black lad. Now a few lads I went to Windsor St School with applied to join Margy's and were just as intellegent as me so I find it baffling as to why the ratio was so high. But the racism aimed at the few black lads was shocking. I always argued back with anybody who used the racist terms because of my roots in Toxteth and the number of black mates I had and still have got. This isolated me a lot from some of the whites.

As for white lads "trying" to be black well most of the time that will just be down to the group of mates they have. As I've said because of the black mates I had, I fell in love with reggae and Ska music something I probably wouldn't have done if I'd been in an middle class white area. So if white lads are listening to hip hop, rap, RnB or whatever the latest name for it is, then where's the problem? By seeing a problem with it, you are being racist yourself. (you being nobody in particular, just generally) The same with the language thing. Scousers grow up saying la, Geordies grow up saying pet because it's the environment they are in, if a person is surrounded by people saying "ting" then they'll pick it up. I don't class it as trying to be black because there'll be many black people who don't say "ting" so it's not trying to be black, it's trying to fit in with the environment they're living in.

The gang thing, again I can safely say by growing up in Toxteth I've seen more than one gang or "firm" as some wanted to be called because they didn't like the term gang. Apparently a gang is a coward's version of a firm. In other words they've been watching Green Street and took the word firm from there. But this is not a race thing, as both whites and blacks have gangs which includes both races.

The real problem lies with people trying to glorify it. Films such as "This Is England" or "Made In England" do not help the racist issue. In "This Is England" (which I acutally like, mainly because of the soundtrack) the lead character, Shaun, and is portraying a 10 year old (I think that's the age) yet is being asked to go into the corner shop saying words like "paki" (appologies for the use of the word, but it's to make the point.) Then you have the skinhead leader, Combo, using words such as "wog" or "nigger" and kicking the s**t out of Milky because he is black. While the film is trying to show the truth to the origional skinhead trend, it also glorifies the problems of it, which will brainwash kids that it's right just as much as the good parts of it will do.

There's no need to glorify these sort of things. It's like Green Street, The Firm, Footy Factory and any other football hooligan film, it glorifies things that don't need to be. Then there's the telly shows like Rising Damp and The Fresh Prince where so many of the jokes are based on the ignorance people have towards racism but again kids watching them may well be brainwashed and think it's alright to have that attiude. Again there's computer games like GTA San Andreas where every other word is "nigger" while shagging a tart and carrying a gun. Then there's the common theme that every new rap song must include "I'm f*****g hoes with my niggaz".

The media are to blame as much as anybody for the modern day racism because they want it to continue which is why any slight disagreement between a white and black person (or any other race) there's up roar in the press.

Then of course we have the political correctness nonsense. We can no longer have blackboards, they have to be chalkboards but it's alright to have whiteboards. We can't have ba ba black sheep but we can have mary had a little lamb, it's fleece was as white as snow. This again is racist in it's own way by trying to make out they're not being racist. Nobody with a brain cell saw a problem with a blackboard but then again politicians don't have brain cells and by trying to look like the do gooders they end up making the situation worse.

Continuing along similar lines. In America there is "Miss Black America" for black american women but for "Miss America" anybody can enter. The same with Black Awareness Week but no White Awareness. There's Black Colleges and Universities, there's Black History that is taught in schools. So from that I can understand why white people would feel annoyed. That's not equality, it's racist but because it racism on the part of black people nobody sees it as racism as apparently only white people can be racism.

It's the same with derogatry terms. A straight lad says the word "queer" or "puff" or "shirt lifter" or any other term of that sort and he's homophobic but when a gay lad says it, all is ok. It's still using the same derogatry term. And the same with sexism, women can be as sexist as they want but when a bloke does it he's the world's worst.

The truth is, only whites can be racist, only straight people can be homophobic and only men can be sexist. And yes this rant is from a white, straight lad. And one who f*****g proud to be. That's not to say I am racist, homophobic or sexist because I don't think I am, it's just the way I see this so called politically correct world.
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