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Postby aCe' » Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:45 am

LFC2007 wrote:I know it's early etc.. etc...but I'm not convinced with the setup Ancelotti employed, despite the victory. The diamond with Mikel anchoring, Essien on the right, Malouda to the left and Lampard near the top doesn't seem to have adequate balance. Malouda isn't someone who can play on the inside to any great effect and that's what he has to do when they're out of possession, otherwise Mikel is left exposed. I don't think Malouda can shield well enough to play there. Granted when they're in possession he can push wide and gallop down the left but between that and tucking in is a considerable margin for error in getting caught out, and I just don't think he has the concentation levels or awareness to strike a reasonable balance in that capacity.

On the other side is Essien, a much better player for a start but I think you take away a certain amount by asking him to provide width down the right. He can of course do the tucking in and shielding part, but when he has to show for it he will at times be forced wide - as he was today - and it just isn't his best position; he doesn't look particularly comfortable there. He's best when he's in the thick of it, and that's when he's more central - a position he's more used to. He's more of shielder anyway, he likes the tackle, the physicality, the taking command of the central areas and he's pretty good on the ball too, but less so when forced into wider areas and that's mainly I think because the types of passes and movements are quite different from being deeper and central. In a nutshell, he likes to be facing opponents directly, which he doesn't get as much in this more ancillary role on the right. If Ancelotti endavours to stick with this sytem he ought to take Mikel out of it and let Essien - a much better player - anchor the whole thing.

Finally there's Lampard who seems to have less space to run into playing in this system; it seemed a bit more congested through the middle with two forwards competing for the spaces he likes to run into - particularly in regards Anelka's movement. He's generally been at his best when he's had that space to run into, with wingers in support, in a 4-5-1 and I think it has the effect of limiting his time on the ball and space to run into.

Personally I'd ditch it and have Essien anchoring with Ballack and Lampard ahead of him, with - as is more conventionally known - two wingers and Drogba providing the outlets. It's not necessarily doomed at all, but on first impressions it didn't seem to strike the right balance, and considering the players they have and what we know they can do in a 4-5-1 I think I'd have stuck with that generally speaking.

Yep that was my impression too..  Think alot will change once Zhirkov settles in and Joe Cole is back though... for now, all that Ancelotti seems to be trying to do is maintaining the Anelka-Drogba pairing upfront.. i think as soon as they have everyone back and ready they'll go back to a formation similar to the one that ended last season... In all honesty they have the players to play whatever formation they want, Ancelotti just needs to get the balance right like Hiddink did.. Width has been their problem for quite some time now and with J.Cole and Zhirkov back i wouldnt think he'd be willing to throw that away so easily...
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Postby bigmick » Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:40 am

Interesting that Nani played well by all accounts before his injury. He's a Man Utd player who has polarised opinion in his short career. I've always rated him and have said so many times to much derision on here, it'll be very interesting to see how he goes once he's recovered from injury now Ronaldo has moved on.
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Postby Toffeehater » Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:12 am

Nani has has been blowing hot and cold ever since joining like babel , he may have more potential but his intelligence level is the same , he does have tremendous amount of pace and wicked shot on him
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Postby stmichael » Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:30 am

Ben Foster is poor. Couldn't catch swine flu.
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Postby GYBS » Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:28 pm

think the ref got it spot on - saw the foul it wasnt a face injury despite how much evra tried to con the ref - man utd still had the ball and where attacking , they then lost the ball and expect the ref to stop it then ?? not in a million years - notice orn didnt mention anything about evras scythe on ballack - also wander if he will say he got it wrong by accusing ballack of elbowin evra in the face ?!!? fat chance - also what is higher ? owens number on his shirt or the amount of touches he had :D
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Postby LFC2007 » Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:58 pm

bigmick wrote:Interesting that Nani played well by all accounts before his injury. He's a Man Utd player who has polarised opinion in his short career. I've always rated him and have said so many times to much derision on here, it'll be very interesting to see how he goes once he's recovered from injury now Ronaldo has moved on.

Scored them a cracking goal but quite arguably cost them a goal too - he completely failed to pick up Carvalho.

I've always thought he had the technical ability to be a top player (he really caught my eye in the Arsenal Carling cup win a couple of seasons ago), but he's flattered to deceive on many occasions too. He hasn't shown the desire, concentration levels or awareness that suggests he could be a really solid performer; a bit like Babel except this guy actually has the technical ability required to be a top player, whereas the dutchman doesn't (IMO). The goal was a classic example of said technical ability and he's performed almost exactly the same move in previous games; cutting in from the left onto his right with incredible pace and agility before unleashing a stinging shot, which the keeper couldn't do much about.

Strange one for me because he has the technical ability, but there's considerable doubt surrounding his attitude and awareness - in a defensive and attacking capacity. I suspect he'll continue to blow hot and cold.
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Postby Dundalk » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:17 pm

Chelsea being beat!!
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Postby Effes » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:18 pm

Unbelieveable - pressure on Ancelotti!
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Postby Greavesie » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:19 pm

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

they look well dodgy defending set pieces
All round the fields of Anfield Road
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Postby Greavesie » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:31 pm

1:1 now Dogsh!t scored, thats one for my dream team anyway
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Postby metalhead » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:32 pm

didhedivedrogba is causing so many problems for hull at the moment :(
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Postby Keris » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:08 pm

Hull are just barely hanging on.
Should have been behind a couple of times.
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Postby tubby » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:28 pm

I really think Ancelotti will struggle in England. Still 1-1 but I reckon Chelsea will nick it at the end.
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Postby Effes » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:41 pm

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Postby tubby » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:42 pm

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