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woof woof ! wrote:Christ sake     , I hope not, for twenty million I would hope that we've bought a player who can force himself into the starting lineup no matter how well Lucas plays.

So would I Woof, but in fairness we paid 8 million quid two years ago for Lucas as well. I'm not saying he's better than Aquilani far from it (and indeed like you I hope not) but he's obviously a better player now that when we first bought him (Lucas that is) so we either got severely ripped off when we first bought him, or his value has gone up from 8 million quid to a new value which could be anything.

He's got a huge advantage over Aquilani in that he's been here two years, and also if he plays in the first few matches he will be able to find his feet from a fitness point of view because the opposition will be finding theirs as well. Aquilani on the other hand when he comes back will be trying to almiatise, find his feet and get used to whole thing while playing against fully fit and wound up opponents.

If Lucas can't at the very least give the Italian a good run for his money given the advantages he's got, either Aquilani is a Worldbeater or Lucas is not very good. Or both is a possibility too I suppose

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:Lucas was 5 million, not 8.

s@int wrote:

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:Lucas was 5 million, not 8.

I think there was £3million in addons mate.

woof woof ! wrote:Christ sake     , I hope not, for twenty million I would hope that we've bought a player who can force himself into the starting lineup no matter how well Lucas plays.

Yeah of course just like Robbie Keane did even when feranado Torres was injured....Not!

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:

s@int wrote:

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:Lucas was 5 million, not 8.

I think there was £3million in addons mate.

Was there?

Have we had to pay them yet or what?

bigmick wrote:

woof woof ! wrote:Christ sake     , I hope not, for twenty million I would hope that we've bought a player who can force himself into the starting lineup no matter how well Lucas plays.

So would I Woof, but in fairness we paid 8 million quid two years ago for Lucas as well. I'm not saying he's better than Aquilani far from it (and indeed like you I hope not) but he's obviously a better player now that when we first bought him (Lucas that is) so we either got severely ripped off when we first bought him, or his value has gone up from 8 million quid to a new value which could be anything.

He's got a huge advantage over Aquilani in that he's been here two years, and also if he plays in the first few matches he will be able to find his feet from a fitness point of view because the opposition will be finding theirs as well. Aquilani on the other hand when he comes back will be trying to almiatise, find his feet and get used to whole thing while playing against fully fit and wound up opponents.

If Lucas can't at the very least give the Italian a good run for his money given the advantages he's got, either Aquilani is a Worldbeater or Lucas is not very good. Or both is a possibility too I suppose

lakes10 wrote:

JoeTerp wrote:

s@int wrote:

JoeTerp wrote:

s@int wrote:

JoeTerp wrote:

lakes10 wrote:

JoeTerp wrote:he wasn't likely to jump right into the first XI anyway, as soon as we sold Xabi, Lucas's name was written into the team that will face Spurs.  It doesn't make sense to worry too much about the first month or so, when he has signed a 5 year deal.  Its all about trying to stay injury free for the rest of his contract. No need to rush him back, thats could have been how he got hurt again in the first place.

"he wasn't likely to jump right into the first XI "

what? we spend 20mil on a player thats not going to be in the first team, look i know Rafa ois mad but he is not that mad.

So if we had signed fit player X today, you would have started him at SPurs despite having practically zero time with the team?  We don't even have a full week of practice FFS because of the internationals in midweek.

We usually do Joe, especially with big money signings. Kuyt for example.....

sign Kuyt on August 18 and he didn't start until we played PSV on September 12

But he made his debut against West Ham on the 26th of august Joe 

as a sub.

his first game for us was the Charity Shield a few days after he come here, run his legs off for us.

s@int wrote:

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:

s@int wrote:

baldricks_cunning_plan wrote:Lucas was 5 million, not 8.

I think there was £3million in addons mate.

Was there?

Have we had to pay them yet or what?

No idea mate, I remember at the time there was mention of £3million add ons, but not what they were for. I presume some will be for appearances and some for qualifing for CL etc.

bigmick wrote:

woof woof ! wrote:Christ sake     , I hope not, for twenty million I would hope that we've bought a player who can force himself into the starting lineup no matter how well Lucas plays.

So would I Woof, but in fairness we paid 8 million quid two years ago for Lucas as well. I'm not saying he's better than Aquilani far from it (and indeed like you I hope not) but he's obviously a better player now that when we first bought him (Lucas that is) so we either got severely ripped off when we first bought him, or his value has gone up from 8 million quid to a new value which could be anything.

He's got a huge advantage over Aquilani in that he's been here two years, and also if he plays in the first few matches he will be able to find his feet from a fitness point of view because the opposition will be finding theirs as well. Aquilani on the other hand when he comes back will be trying to almiatise, find his feet and get used to whole thing while playing against fully fit and wound up opponents.

If Lucas can't at the very least give the Italian a good run for his money given the advantages he's got, either Aquilani is a Worldbeater or Lucas is not very good. Or both is a possibility too I suppose

maguskwt wrote:wow really mick? I haven't seen any significant improvement myself... Lucas remains one of our weakest players for me, together with dossenna, Babel, Ngog, Degen. Babel, Lucas and Ngog couldn't even break down Singapore's defence FFS...

maguskwt wrote:

bigmick wrote:

woof woof ! wrote:Christ sake     , I hope not, for twenty million I would hope that we've bought a player who can force himself into the starting lineup no matter how well Lucas plays.

So would I Woof, but in fairness we paid 8 million quid two years ago for Lucas as well. I'm not saying he's better than Aquilani far from it (and indeed like you I hope not) but he's obviously a better player now that when we first bought him (Lucas that is) so we either got severely ripped off when we first bought him, or his value has gone up from 8 million quid to a new value which could be anything.

He's got a huge advantage over Aquilani in that he's been here two years, and also if he plays in the first few matches he will be able to find his feet from a fitness point of view because the opposition will be finding theirs as well. Aquilani on the other hand when he comes back will be trying to almiatise, find his feet and get used to whole thing while playing against fully fit and wound up opponents.

If Lucas can't at the very least give the Italian a good run for his money given the advantages he's got, either Aquilani is a Worldbeater or Lucas is not very good. Or both is a possibility too I suppose

wow really mick? I haven't seen any significant improvement myself... Lucas remains one of our weakest players for me, together with dossenna, Babel, Ngog, Degen. Babel, Lucas and Ngog couldn't even break down Singapore's defence FFS...

Wow, who is the other Babel?    I didn't know we have two as I think one is enough....

As for Lucas, he is simply not good enough. All these potential theory is really bull. He can't tackle, he commit foul after foul, he can't shoot, can't pass, can't dribble and slow. His skill is really limited and we just can't wait for him to improve wasting playing time and valuable points for him to grow. Carra and Gerrard is not getting younger. We must play our best team rather than playing the so called potentially good team. The best scenerio is to send him on loan to other EPL team (probably no takers...) to move away from the pressure but I read somewhere that he said he will go back to Brazil if his future is not clarified.