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[bigmick]

Christ sake     , I hope not, for twenty million I would hope that we've bought a player who can force himself into the starting lineup no matter how well Lucas plays.

So would I Woof, but in fairness we paid 8 million quid two years ago for Lucas as well. I'm not saying he's better than Aquilani far from it (and indeed like you I hope not) but he's obviously a better player now that when we first bought him (Lucas that is) so we either got severely ripped off when we first bought him, or his value has gone up from 8 million quid to a new value which could be anything.

He's got a huge advantage over Aquilani in that he's been here two years, and also if he plays in the first few matches he will be able to find his feet from a fitness point of view because the opposition will be finding theirs as well. Aquilani on the other hand when he comes back will be trying to almiatise, find his feet and get used to whole thing while playing against fully fit and wound up opponents.

If Lucas can't at the very least give the Italian a good run for his money given the advantages he's got, either Aquilani is a Worldbeater or Lucas is not very good. Or both is a possibility too I suppose

[baldricks_cunning_plan]

Lucas was 5 million, not 8.

[account deleted by request]

Lucas was 5 million, not 8.

I think there was £3million in addons mate.

[baldricks_cunning_plan]

Lucas was 5 million, not 8.

I think there was £3million in addons mate.

Was there?

Have we had to pay them yet or what?

[lakes10]

he wasn't likely to jump right into the first XI anyway, as soon as we sold Xabi, Lucas's name was written into the team that will face Spurs.  It doesn't make sense to worry too much about the first month or so, when he has signed a 5 year deal.  Its all about trying to stay injury free for the rest of his contract. No need to rush him back, thats could have been how he got hurt again in the first place.

"he wasn't likely to jump right into the first XI "

what? we spend 20mil on a player thats not going to be in the first team, look i know Rafa ois mad but he is not that mad.

So if we had signed fit player X today, you would have started him at SPurs despite having practically zero time with the team?  We don't even have a full week of practice FFS because of the internationals in midweek.

We usually do Joe, especially with big money signings. Kuyt for example.....

sign Kuyt on August 18 and he didn't start until we played PSV on September 12

But he made his debut against West Ham on the 26th of august Joe 

as a sub.

his first game for us was the Charity Shield a few days after he come here, run his legs off for us.

[roberto green]

Christ sake     , I hope not, for twenty million I would hope that we've bought a player who can force himself into the starting lineup no matter how well Lucas plays.

Yeah of course just like Robbie Keane did even when feranado Torres was injured....Not!

[account deleted by request]

Lucas was 5 million, not 8.

I think there was £3million in addons mate.

Was there?

Have we had to pay them yet or what?

No idea mate, I remember at the time there was mention of £3million add ons, but not what they were for. I presume some will be for appearances and some for qualifing for CL etc.

[woof woof !]

Christ sake     , I hope not, for twenty million I would hope that we've bought a player who can force himself into the starting lineup no matter how well Lucas plays.

So would I Woof, but in fairness we paid 8 million quid two years ago for Lucas as well. I'm not saying he's better than Aquilani far from it (and indeed like you I hope not) but he's obviously a better player now that when we first bought him (Lucas that is) so we either got severely ripped off when we first bought him, or his value has gone up from 8 million quid to a new value which could be anything.

He's got a huge advantage over Aquilani in that he's been here two years, and also if he plays in the first few matches he will be able to find his feet from a fitness point of view because the opposition will be finding theirs as well. Aquilani on the other hand when he comes back will be trying to almiatise, find his feet and get used to whole thing while playing against fully fit and wound up opponents.

If Lucas can't at the very least give the Italian a good run for his money given the advantages he's got, either Aquilani is a Worldbeater or Lucas is not very good. Or both is a possibility too I suppose

Mick, the kindest thing I can say about Lucas is that sometimes it just doesn't "happen" for a player. Despite the accolades and reputation he earnt in Brasil , in his time at LFC he's never shown anything that lifts him at best above "average"

In simple terms, he's just not f'ucking good enough for us.

[account deleted by request]

he wasn't likely to jump right into the first XI anyway, as soon as we sold Xabi, Lucas's name was written into the team that will face Spurs.  It doesn't make sense to worry too much about the first month or so, when he has signed a 5 year deal.  Its all about trying to stay injury free for the rest of his contract. No need to rush him back, thats could have been how he got hurt again in the first place.

"he wasn't likely to jump right into the first XI "

what? we spend 20mil on a player thats not going to be in the first team, look i know Rafa ois mad but he is not that mad.

So if we had signed fit player X today, you would have started him at SPurs despite having practically zero time with the team?  We don't even have a full week of practice FFS because of the internationals in midweek.

We usually do Joe, especially with big money signings. Kuyt for example.....

sign Kuyt on August 18 and he didn't start until we played PSV on September 12

But he made his debut against West Ham on the 26th of august Joe 

as a sub.

his first game for us was the Charity Shield a few days after he come here, run his legs off for us.

No mate. He didn't appear in the Charity shield.

25  Jose Reina 
23  Jamie Carragher 
5  Daniel Agger 
3  Steve Finnan 
6  John Arne Riise 
10  Luis Garcia 
11  Mark Gonzalez 
22  Mohamed Sissoko 
32  Boudewijn Zenden 
16  Jermaine Pennant 
15  Peter Crouch 

Subs
1  Jerzy Dudek

4  Sami Hyypia

12  Fábio Aurélio

14  Xabi Alonso

8  Steven Gerrard

17  Craig Bellamy

24  Florent S.-Pongolle


Mainly because we didn't sign him till the following week!

I remember his debut against West Ham, he was outstanding, gave us a little bit of everything and really looked top class. Sadly things didn't go quite as well as I hoped after that.

[baldricks_cunning_plan]

Lucas was 5 million, not 8.

I think there was £3million in addons mate.

Was there?

Have we had to pay them yet or what?

No idea mate, I remember at the time there was mention of £3million add ons, but not what they were for. I presume some will be for appearances and some for qualifing for CL etc.

Some of his performances towards the end of last year were worth more than 3 million though so I'm not worried about the add ons. Although when it comes to a transfer fee I always take the stance on what's paid up front.

The one at Old Trafford, Newcastle home and away are the exceptional stand outs.

[baldricks_cunning_plan]

Kuyt's debut was at Anfield against West Ham.

Was fantastic as well, if I remember rightly he set Crouch up for a goal but the big fella was offside.

[maguskwt]

Christ sake     , I hope not, for twenty million I would hope that we've bought a player who can force himself into the starting lineup no matter how well Lucas plays.

So would I Woof, but in fairness we paid 8 million quid two years ago for Lucas as well. I'm not saying he's better than Aquilani far from it (and indeed like you I hope not) but he's obviously a better player now that when we first bought him (Lucas that is) so we either got severely ripped off when we first bought him, or his value has gone up from 8 million quid to a new value which could be anything.

He's got a huge advantage over Aquilani in that he's been here two years, and also if he plays in the first few matches he will be able to find his feet from a fitness point of view because the opposition will be finding theirs as well. Aquilani on the other hand when he comes back will be trying to almiatise, find his feet and get used to whole thing while playing against fully fit and wound up opponents.

If Lucas can't at the very least give the Italian a good run for his money given the advantages he's got, either Aquilani is a Worldbeater or Lucas is not very good. Or both is a possibility too I suppose

wow really mick? I haven't seen any significant improvement myself... Lucas remains one of our weakest players for me, together with dossenna, Babel, Ngog, Degen. Babel, Lucas and Ngog couldn't even break down Singapore's defence FFS...

[Kharhaz]

wow really mick? I haven't seen any significant improvement myself... Lucas remains one of our weakest players for me, together with dossenna, Babel, Ngog, Degen. Babel, Lucas and Ngog couldn't even break down Singapore's defence FFS...

Thats a bit harsh. In fairness to the players mentioned, they have not played together as a team or indeed in the first team a lot of the time, and when they have, its usually as a sub. I havent seen improvement either, but in fairness to the players, its hard to when you dont see a lot of them.

[akumaface]

Christ sake     , I hope not, for twenty million I would hope that we've bought a player who can force himself into the starting lineup no matter how well Lucas plays.

So would I Woof, but in fairness we paid 8 million quid two years ago for Lucas as well. I'm not saying he's better than Aquilani far from it (and indeed like you I hope not) but he's obviously a better player now that when we first bought him (Lucas that is) so we either got severely ripped off when we first bought him, or his value has gone up from 8 million quid to a new value which could be anything.

He's got a huge advantage over Aquilani in that he's been here two years, and also if he plays in the first few matches he will be able to find his feet from a fitness point of view because the opposition will be finding theirs as well. Aquilani on the other hand when he comes back will be trying to almiatise, find his feet and get used to whole thing while playing against fully fit and wound up opponents.

If Lucas can't at the very least give the Italian a good run for his money given the advantages he's got, either Aquilani is a Worldbeater or Lucas is not very good. Or both is a possibility too I suppose

wow really mick? I haven't seen any significant improvement myself... Lucas remains one of our weakest players for me, together with dossenna, Babel, Ngog, Degen. Babel, Lucas and Ngog couldn't even break down Singapore's defence FFS...

Wow, who is the other Babel?    I didn't know we have two as I think one is enough....

As for Lucas, he is simply not good enough. All these potential theory is really bull. He can't tackle, he commit foul after foul, he can't shoot, can't pass, can't dribble and slow. His skill is really limited and we just can't wait for him to improve wasting playing time and valuable points for him to grow. Carra and Gerrard is not getting younger. We must play our best team rather than playing the so called potentially good team. The best scenerio is to send him on loan to other EPL team (probably no takers...) to move away from the pressure but I read somewhere that he said he will go back to Brazil if his future is not clarified.

[Owzat]

Two Babels might equal one half decent player He and Lucas may not be as bad as (some) people makie out, but they do need to improve which, in fairness to Lucas, he has done but Babel seems to have gone slightly backwards