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by **Reg** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 4:23 pm

Good post Owzie well done and whilst the past is an INDICATOR of the problems we have suffered over the past 10 years it also shows us how much room for improvement we need to win the league.

Quite frankly, Rafa needs to see that post mate and give it some serious thought.

We're not going to get 38-40 pts from the last 13 games with a single striker.

by **taff** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 4:24 pm

Effes wrote:Taff - I'd have no problems with Sabre picking holes in the stats without saying he was childish.

The ones who criticise Rafa I think are in the minority, there ars also some who just have doubts.

Ok I concede that but as Sabre pointed out stats can be made to your advantage and the highlighted red for the attention of happy clappers

Whats that about. Just setting the scene not an impartial analysis of stats.

You step in the ring and you might get hit

by **heimdall** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:32 pm

taff wrote:
Effes wrote:Taff - I'd have no problems with Sabre picking holes in the stats without saying he was childish.

The ones who criticise Rafa I think are in the minority, there ars also some who just have doubts.

Ok I concede that but as Sabre pointed out stats can be made to your advantage and the highlighted red for the attention of happy clappers Whats that about. Just setting the scene not an impartial analysis of stats.

You step in the ring and you might get hit

hmm I don't know but maybe Owzat is as annoyed with the sanctimonious sh1t from some of the happy clappers as I am.

You guys are NOT better fans because you refuse to see fault in Rafa you are in fact just ignorant.

Sabre chose to attack Owzat on a personal level, calling him childish and generally belittling him which I think is out of order when someone has spent the time and trouble to produce interesting stats like this.

by **Rorschach26** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:22 pm

i find it strange how u take so much time outta ur life findin stats that look bad on the teams, manager, players of the club u supposdely support

very strange

mayeb u should put more effort into bein a "rose tinted specy happy clappy" u might be more deluded but atleast u wont look in the mirror every morning wishing u were dead

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:29 pm

thats a really good post Owzat regardless of what others might say. as you once said, those who have nothing good to say are either just lazy or not bothered.

by **Rorschach26** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:57 pm

k i s s i n g

by **Effes** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:08 am

Effes wrote:
Owzat wrote:As for us having stronger/better second halves of the season than first :-

1992/93-2007/08

Liverpool - more points 1st half of season : 7
Liverpool - more points 2nd half of season : 6
Liverpool - equal points in both halves : 3

Liverpool : 1st half of season average : 33.88 points
Liverpool : 2nd half of season average : 33.31 points

Firstly, great opening post Owz.

I was surprised at this stat - then realised they are taken from 1992-2008.

I think the notion of getting more points in the 2nd half of the season is one attributed solely to Rafa's reign.

God knows where you get your info - but Im quite sure the stats taken just from Rafa's reign
will show a stronger 2nd half of the season.

Owzat - could you put up stats for 1st/2nd half of seasons from Rafa's reign?
I just think it's more representative of what we can expect for the 2nd half of this season.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:42 am

Liverpool under Rafa
2006/07

Played 19, Points 34
Played 38, Points 68

First Half: 34 pts
Second Half: 34 pts

2005/06
Played 19, Points 41
Played 38, Points 82

First Half: 41 pts
Second Half: 41 pts

2004/2005

Played 19, Points 28
Played 38, Points 58

First Half: 28 pts
Second Half: 30 pts

Liverpool under Houllier
2003/2004

Played 19, Points 29
Played 38, Points 60

First Half: 29 pts
Second Half: 31 pts

2002/2003

Played 19, Points 32
Played 38, Points 64

First Half: 32
Second Half: 32

Best I can do mate, hopefully Owzat can come up with better.

Manchester United For comparison

2006/07 -
First Half: 47 pts
Second Half: 42 pts

2005/06

First Half: 41 pts
Second Half: 42 pts

2004/05

First Half: 37 pts
Second Half: 40 pts

Arsenal For Comparison

2006/07
First Half: 33 pts
Second Half: 35 pts

2005/06
First Half: 33 pts
Second Half: 34 pts

2004/05
First Half: 41 pts
Second Half: 42 pts

by **Effes** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:08 am

s@int wrote:Liverpool under Rafa
2006/07

Played 19, Points 34
Played 38, Points 68

First Half: 34 pts
Second Half: 34 pts

2005/06
Played 19, Points 41
Played 38, Points 82

First Half: 41 pts
Second Half: 41 pts

2004/2005

Played 19, Points 28
Played 38, Points 58

First Half: 28 pts
Second Half: 30 pts

Cheers S@int, maybe 2007/8 showed a better 2nd half (where dya get these stats?)

There's got to be a reason why people believe we have a better 2nd half of season. I always thought we did too.

by **account deleted by request** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:14 am

I got them originally of RAWK, but I posted these awhile ago on here, and as luck would have it I was reading the original thread on here earlier today.

by **Effes** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:27 am

OK - 2007/8

1st half - 37 points
2nd half - 39 points

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team....ntype=1

So in 2 seasons we've had the same points in both halves, in the other 2 we've had 2 points more in 2nd half.

Not that convincing.

by **Number 9** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:27 am

If you don't like stats that aren't in synch with your "happy clappy" existence, might crack your rose tinted specs or may simply cause you to stick your head back in the sand where it probably belongs then I suggest you stop reading right about now.............

If you can handle a more earnest analysis of previous Champions and how it impacts on and compares with our situation, what is needed etc then read on....?

Really..are you sure?
Tell ya what fella you are an absolute tool of an excuse of a supporter and a shame to LFC!Saint or BigMick or anyone else that calls me a "happy clapper" My message is simple"GO AND :censored:

YOURSELF"
Read on?
You plastic false w@nking fool..read what?Your shitty derived numbers?
Stick them up your hole Carol..I AM SICK TO THE BACK TEETH OF READING how cr@p we are,yeah..LFC only two points behind now!
Want the club to move?? Absolute bunch of,shitebags on newkit,totally sickening,with a few fans left!
Disgrace of a forum..absolute disgrace,sickening,but hold on its cool.BigMick may write a book!..He can :censored:

stick that where the rest came from!

by **Effes** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:31 am

Barry it's just looking at stats. Im not sure anyone is twisting it any way - maybe
Owzat is to some extent.

Calm down.

by **Number 9** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:39 am

Effes wrote:Barry it's just looking at stats. Im not sure anyone is twisting it any way - maybe
Owzat is to some extent.

Calm down.

Calm Down?
Not sure I can do that anymore mate!I will try.

by **Bam** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:11 am

Flipping heck Barry !
There does seem many more doom n gloomers on here and the majority of posts are negative these days. I'm reasonably happy with our season this year, more than any other year since Rafa's arrivel.

I think I disagree with Mick about seeing him off at the end of the season, IMO he's called it to early even after four and half years at the helm with perplexing decisions along the way. I'd be inclined to offer him a two year contract just to see whether he can take us that little bit further if we fail to win the league this year.
Dont get my wrong though I have my gripes with Rafa, I dontI think there are many people in football who can understand the decisions he makes sometimes. And I will voice my concern and criticise him where and when I feel the need to. people though like it or not have had enough and I can honestly understand why, even if you ant and the likes of Igor and a few others cant. They have a right to voice their opinion whether you agree or not.

BTB its typical of certain posters around here to take cheap little digs at the thread starter. You see, its not rosey enouigh for them, and instead of discussing it they typically result to petty, sly insults. Oh well.

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