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[redhayesy]

If you don't like stats that aren't in synch with your "happy clappy" existence, might crack your rose tinted specs or may simply cause you to stick your head back in the sand where it probably belongs then I suggest you stop reading right about now.............

If you can handle a more earnest analysis of previous Champions and how it impacts on and compares with our situation, what is needed etc then read on....?

Really..are you sure?
Tell ya what fella you are an absolute tool of an excuse of a supporter and a shame to LFC!Saint or BigMick or anyone else that calls me a "happy clapper" My message is simple"GO AND YOURSELF"
Read on?
You plastic false w@nking fool..read what?Your shitty derived numbers?
Stick them up your hole  Carol..I AM SICK TO THE BACK TEETH OF READING how cr@p we are,yeah..LFC only two points behind now!
Want the club to move?? Absolute bunch of,shitebags on newkit,totally sickening,with a few fans left!
Disgrace of a forum..absolute disgrace,sickening,but hold on its cool.BigMick may write a book!..He can stick that where the rest came from!

best post iv'e read in ages!! & other members wonder why people either have stopped posting or reading full stop, cause i couldn't agree more. there are too many WUM'S people who just love to sl@g off the team, raffa, & lfc in general- why fecking support the team in the first place- oh i know cause it's the fecking glory hunting tw@t bridgade after instanbul etc!! 

opinion's are one thing that yes everyone on this forum is entitled too, but no knowledge of our club & it's history etc, with negative comments all the time is bu11sh1t beyond belief.

also i say to any so-called statistic loving fan, go in the kop & spout negative dribble, like that & see how long you last! (that's if you know where the ground is in the first place!)

[Igor Zidane]

I didn't read the post after the first few lines as i'm a happy clapper , so i thought best not .








Good effort anyway owzat .

[Bam]

I didn't read the post after the fierst few lines as i'm a happt clapper , so i thought best not .








Good effort anyway owzat .

Well at least your not resulting to verbal abuse lash. 

[maypaxvobiscum]

i wanna cover 3 topics.

1) heimdall

this guy, has had people telling him to kill himself, posters spelling his name wrongly on purpose, one other calling him Eddie, and has had a torrent of abuse but he, credit to him, has never been the most vulgar or posters and ive never seen him retaliate in a rude or abusive manner. can the mods shed some light as to why he was banned?

2) seperatist movement

no not the championship but here on newkit theres so much bloody politics thats really taking up too much space and the good posts or topics are lost in the process. the happy clappers seem to have an issue with the dark side's opinions that we arent doing well enough. other then ''we are top of the ffs'' and then go on a verbal rampage, are there any sensible counter arguments you guys who disagree with each other can come up with?

Owzat came up with a really good topic starter about stats once again and it was kinda ruined by a post stating unhappiness with the red bit. look, Owzat put effort into his stats and he has been doing that for ages so whether or not its good or bad news, he deserves credit as i dont think anyone here is as hardworking and bothered as him when it comes to compiling stats FOR OUR OWN INFO! if it wasnt for him bothering, many interesting facts wouldnt be known to us. no need to tell him to grow up bla bla bla. just do an Igor Zidane.

and i also notice BigMick is getting slated by a few? he has been a great poster for a very long time and whether or not he is correct, he should be respected as he is a long standing member and its only right all of us at the very least show respect and have a chance for footie discussion instead of abuse after abuse or sarcastic remarks. what exactly are you trying to prove? that you're a better fan?

3) we all want the same thing - for liverpool to win trophies and stuff. why so just because someone else sees things in a negative way doesnt make him any less of a fan. perhaps the name of the forum can be changed too while we're at it.

www.liverpoolfc-bitchfest.co.uk

[Rorschach26]

Its the fact he only ever does these stats that look negative on the club

it does my head in he never has anything positive 2 say its nothing 2 do with beina  happy clappy its just sake man would a little optimism kill you

[maypaxvobiscum]

its not his fault the stats are negative when its the club itself and the players that have a direct effect on and im pretty sure he has posted positive stuff before. you just havent been a member on newkit long enough to see it.

[Rorschach26]

what 2 years not long enough?

hes a simple as

[GYBS]

why am i not suprised that your sticking up for mick as you do follow his opinion like a sheep max . And as for not being sarcastic towards mick cause he deserves respect ? Your joking me right ? Mick is one of the most sarcastic on here and his post lately are just full of it plus lots and lots of digs about posters on here . Trust me you buddy mick is far from whiter than white and respect should just be given cause someone has been on here a long time writing novels on a daily basis .

[fittemod]

I'm looking around a few forums trying to decide which one to start posting too and this one seems by far the least friendly, I have been into 2 threads so far and they both have viscious arguments going on, now have I come at a bad time or is it always like this? 

[aCe']

i wanna cover 3 topics.

1) heimdall

this guy, has had people telling him to kill himself, posters spelling his name wrongly on purpose, one other calling him Eddie, and has had a torrent of abuse but he, credit to him, has never been the most vulgar or posters and ive never seen him retaliate in a rude or abusive manner. can the mods shed some light as to why he was banned?

2) seperatist movement

no not the championship but here on newkit theres so much bloody politics thats really taking up too much space and the good posts or topics are lost in the process. the happy clappers seem to have an issue with the dark side's opinions that we arent doing well enough. other then ''we are top of the ffs'' and then go on a verbal rampage, are there any sensible counter arguments you guys who disagree with each other can come up with?

Owzat came up with a really good topic starter about stats once again and it was kinda ruined by a post stating unhappiness with the red bit. look, Owzat put effort into his stats and he has been doing that for ages so whether or not its good or bad news, he deserves credit as i dont think anyone here is as hardworking and bothered as him when it comes to compiling stats FOR OUR OWN INFO! if it wasnt for him bothering, many interesting facts wouldnt be known to us. no need to tell him to grow up bla bla bla. just do an Igor Zidane.

and i also notice BigMick is getting slated by a few? he has been a great poster for a very long time and whether or not he is correct, he should be respected as he is a long standing member and its only right all of us at the very least show respect and have a chance for footie discussion instead of abuse after abuse or sarcastic remarks. what exactly are you trying to prove? that you're a better fan?

3) we all want the same thing - for liverpool to win trophies and stuff. why so just because someone else sees things in a negative way doesnt make him any less of a fan. perhaps the name of the forum can be changed too while we're at it.

www.liverpoolfc-bitchfest.co.uk

thats an excellent post there and saves me some posting time..

one more thing.. Number9 if you dont agree with something u might aswell try to fcking argue ur point instead of resorting to insults because one day u'll think its okay to talk to someone in real life the way ur doing now hiding behind a monitor and u'll learn otherwise... grow up ffs !

[Igor Zidane]

why am i not suprised that your sticking up for mick as you do follow his opinion like a sheep max . And as for not being sarcastic towards mick cause he deserves respect ? Your joking me right ? Mick is one of the most sarcastic on here and his post lately are just full of it plus lots and lots of digs about posters on here . Trust me you buddy mick is far from whiter than white and respect should just be given cause someone has been on here a long time writing novels on a daily basis .

Wrong . I'm in total non agreement with mick regarding the manager and the direction he's taking the club in . I do not resort to name calling or verbally abusing the man because i have respect for him and his posting . I cannot think of one time where he's let rip into someone (unlike myself ) for the way they have replied to one of his posts . What  in god's name is wrong with debate , what's wrong with it ,nothing at all .
So why gang up on members you don't agree with and start being personal .  It's friggen cowardice ,because if you you or anyone else were sat opposite him in an ale ouse and spoke to him like people have today ,he would (and with every right ) nut you one .

If people can't debate with a bit of respect , well don't debate , just read .

[aCe']

why am i not suprised that your sticking up for mick as you do follow his opinion like a sheep max . And as for not being sarcastic towards mick cause he deserves respect ? Your joking me right ? Mick is one of the most sarcastic on here and his post lately are just full of it plus lots and lots of digs about posters on here . Trust me you buddy mick is far from whiter than white and respect should just be given cause someone has been on here a long time writing novels on a daily basis .

Wrong . I'm in total non agreement with mick regarding the manager and the direction he's taking the club in . I do not resort to name calling or verbally abusing the man because i have respect for him and his posting . I cannot think of one time where he's let rip into someone (unlike myself ) for the way they have replied to one of his posts . What  in god's name is wrong with debate , what's wrong with it ,nothing at all .
So why gang up on members you don't agree with and start being personal .  It's friggen cowardice ,because if you you or anyone else were sat opposite him in an ale ouse and spoke to him like people have today ,he would (and with every right ) nut you one .

If people can't debate with a bit of respect , well don't debate , just read .

good post my nemesis 

[bigmick]

I put this in the wrong thread, sorry Mods if you want to delete it out of the media thread I fecked it up.

Coming back to this point of Owzats "negative" stats, and why he doesn't ever post "positive" stats for a second. Surely, a stat is a stat? It's either correct, or it isn't. It's in the interpretation of the numbers that people get a chance to be either positive or negative, or alternatively get a chance to dismiss the stat completely.

For example it is true to say that Liverpool concede on average two goals a match based on their last game. The stat is obviously correct (if you'll let me have an average over one game) but equally it doesn't mean we've got a sh!t defence IMHO. I think that, because firstly you can't decide such a thing after one match, and secondly our stats over a longer period would disprove the theory that we can't defend.

Now Owzats stats on this occasion include such things as how many points we've picked up against relegated teams in previous seasons. Now assuming the numbers are correct, it is up to the reader to draw his own conclusion from the numbers. Owzats opinion seems to be that the numbers show we haven't been as efficient as some other teams at seeing off the lower teams. I must confess I agree with him, and I think it's hard to think of a single other sensible conclusion. If people think that's not the correct interpretation at all, fair enough. If they fancy advancing an opinion on here, all the better. But to slag off the numbers themselves, or the bloke who posted them up without addressing te stats themselves, is potty. 

As for people moaning that we don't see positive stats, just have a look at the league table. You'll see from that that there are 20 teams in the Premiership, and based on the matches so far played we have been the second best team. Also, we have a chance of being the best team by the time all the matches have been played. There's a positive stat for you. Print it off and if you've got kids, you could uses one of them fridge magnet things and stick it on yor fridge to cheer yourself up. If not, go to Whitby on holiday, they sell really nice ones there with little ships on them. 
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[Sabre]

I don't know what potty means, but it makes no difference,  the use he made of numbers to pretend zonal marking doesn't work the other day was potty or whatever too.

I replied him back in the proper thread, he didn't answer back,  and now he brings new numbers and an introduction that talks about a group of members here whose heads belong to the sand. Well, Igor chooses to move on, I choose to tell him what I think of his use of numbers.

Posting numerical data does no harm. Posting your opinion, does no harm. Picking a tiny collection of data to tell another poster whooops, you're wrong, this is why, is not nice when the numbers you pick are ridiculously biased to strenghten your point.

Doing such a thing often ends up being annoying, because it's not that he posts the numerical data, which is something to be grateful for, it's not that he posts his opinion, which is nice, it's that he uses his selection of numbers to say something is wrong.

And when he does that introduction I'm sorry, I thought that was enough. Pretty much like someone says a team selection is bonkers, I find that use of numbers tendencious and wrong. I haven't read his stats this time, but I simply don't find ok he starts a post telling members to stop reading.

I don't think he has a problem with us reading his stats, the only problem seems to be when someone says that what he's implying is bóllocks. If he expects no criticism to a research he makes, perhaps he should consider of stopping to post, and create a blog with his stats, where comments can be editted and only positive comments remain.

Anyhow, I don't have anything against Owzat, just some of the content of his posts, which are not the numbers, but when he tries to dress with truth an idea with a tiny collection of numbers. I can't believe that a thorough data miner could ignore the goals we conceded before Rafa reached here when he uses the numbers of Rafa's reign (some of which in reversal order for some strange reason) in comparison to other english top clubs to try to defend that zonal marking is a problem.

One also should expect that when an unbiased researcher makes a deep study about one of the best teams of Europe sometimes those stats would suggest how good they're doing, but I don't remember many Owzat analysis implying something positive. It's statistically strange that.


And it's frustrating, why? because zonal marking has been discussed to dead with very good posts. And he comes and brings 5 numbers to say whooops!! wrong. Come on, what's that. Bring the numbers, that's great contribution. Say your opinion, that's welcome. Do not try to imply what you say is truth with a tiny collection of numbers, that's bóllocks.


Stats are useful if used properly, not to predict future. I don't remember for instance any Owzat analysis suggesting that this season we'd do much better in the league.


As for Whitby, I pass. I don't think it's any better than this

[jono]

yer pickin the nuts out of this

great thread by the way