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by **Greavesie** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 1:17 am

Just read about this on SSN teletext and thought there must be something wrong, Ramos wants him for his 'pace' and 'direct running'. The players they've been linked with since Ramos took over beggar belief

by **aCe'** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 5:44 am

for just one last time... i wanna know why almost everyone down here absolutely hates Jermaine Pennant ?!

he had his chance when he signed and he played ... check this out

2006..

played in more games than any other liverpool player making 52 appearances with Reina 2nd makind 51 appearances... joint top in most assists with Gerrard at 10 ... only managed one goal but played very well in many games and was probably our mom in the CL final...

2007

suffered a bad injury... only managed to play 25 games in total with 7 of them beig sub appearances late on.. scored 2 goals and was second only to Gerrard in our assists charts with 7 despite playing fewer games and minutes than almost everyone in our first team then...

2008

started 3 and came on a sub in 1... didt manage to score but has 2 assists and was our man of the match in the carling cup game he started accordig to many..

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basically... the end product argument doesnt hold too well with me and i dont know where it comes from really... the whole 'he obviously has talet but he fails to perform' thing i just dont understand... when he played well everyone was calling for him to be icluded in the England squad... he was one of our better players in 2006 and in 2007 if it wasnt for the injury and then Rafa's decision not to play him after that, whos to say he wouldnt have doe just as well.. this season... he hasnt been given the chance as far as im concerned... you can question his attitude, commitment, etc etc all you want but imo theres little doubt when it comes to the guys talents... but then again same can be said about many many many excellent footballers

Whats most frustrating to me is that we always seem to struggle to use our wide areas effectively... the likes of Kuyt and Benayoun arent real wingers and will always struggle to make a significant impact from wider areas (before anyone trows kuyts 5 goals or whatever at me.. im talking about impact from WIDE areas and not when they play deeper inside or as forwards, second strikers etc).. why do we still keep picking them ahead of Pennant and even Elzhar... i know many teams dont play the traditional winger thing anymore but surely in many cases when you're trying to break down teams and stretch defenses its good to have someone who can actually run with the ball down the line and get some chalk on his knees...

He's no world beater but he isnt half as bad as some make him out to be either... in terms of right wingers i cant think of many in the english league who are better than he is.... Ronaldo,Young, maybe Bentley, SWP... but thats about it... probably as good as Milner, Valencia, Lennon and the likes if not better imo... defo the best option down the right for us given what we have...

Unless we go out and buy someone whos better than him i think it would be best if we just stick him down there in the right wing in a 4-4-2 and give him a few games to prove his worth...

by **burjennio** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:37 pm

aCe' Posted on Dec. 25 2008,04:44for just one last time... i wanna know why almost everyone down here absolutely hates Jermaine Pennant ?!

he had his chance when he signed and he played ... check this out

2006..

played in more games than any other liverpool player making 52 appearances with Reina 2nd makind 51 appearances... joint top in most assists with Gerrard at 10 ... only managed one goal but played very well in many games and was probably our mom in the CL final...

2007

suffered a bad injury... only managed to play 25 games in total with 7 of them beig sub appearances late on.. scored 2 goals and was second only to Gerrard in our assists charts with 7 despite playing fewer games and minutes than almost everyone in our first team then...

2008

started 3 and came on a sub in 1... didt manage to score but has 2 assists and was our man of the match in the carling cup game he started accordig to many..

******************************************************

basically... the end product argument doesnt hold too well with me and i dont know where it comes from really... the whole 'he obviously has talet but he fails to perform' thing i just dont understand... when he played well everyone was calling for him to be icluded in the England squad... he was one of our better players in 2006 and in 2007 if it wasnt for the injury and then Rafa's decision not to play him after that, whos to say he wouldnt have doe just as well.. this season... he hasnt been given the chance as far as im concerned... you can question his attitude, commitment, etc etc all you want but imo theres little doubt when it comes to the guys talents... but then again same can be said about many many many excellent footballers

Whats most frustrating to me is that we always seem to struggle to use our wide areas effectively... the likes of Kuyt and Benayoun arent real wingers and will always struggle to make a significant impact from wider areas (before anyone trows kuyts 5 goals or whatever at me.. im talking about impact from WIDE areas and not when they play deeper inside or as forwards, second strikers etc).. why do we still keep picking them ahead of Pennant and even Elzhar... i know many teams dont play the traditional winger thing anymore but surely in many cases when you're trying to break down teams and stretch defenses its good to have someone who can actually run with the ball down the line and get some chalk on his knees...

He's no world beater but he isnt half as bad as some make him out to be either... in terms of right wingers i cant think of many in the english league who are better than he is.... Ronaldo,Young, maybe Bentley, SWP... but thats about it... probably as good as Milner, Valencia, Lennon and the likes if not better imo... defo the best option down the right for us given what we have...

Unless we go out and buy someone whos better than him i think it would be best if we just stick him down there in the right wing in a 4-4-2 and give him a few games to prove his worth...

people dont like him because hes an arrogant pi$$head whod rather earn £50k a week to run around London boozing and hittin on skanks than playin football. Then because he has no end product (his crossing is AWFUL FFS!)

by **Fowler_E7** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:43 pm

aCe' wrote:for just one last time... i wanna know why almost everyone down here absolutely hates Jermaine Pennant ?!

he had his chance when he signed and he played ... check this out

2006..

played in more games than any other liverpool player making 52 appearances with Reina 2nd makind 51 appearances... joint top in most assists with Gerrard at 10 ... only managed one goal but played very well in many games and was probably our mom in the CL final...

2007

suffered a bad injury... only managed to play 25 games in total with 7 of them beig sub appearances late on.. scored 2 goals and was second only to Gerrard in our assists charts with 7 despite playing fewer games and minutes than almost everyone in our first team then...

2008

started 3 and came on a sub in 1... didt manage to score but has 2 assists and was our man of the match in the carling cup game he started accordig to many..

******************************************************

basically... the end product argument doesnt hold too well with me and i dont know where it comes from really... the whole 'he obviously has talet but he fails to perform' thing i just dont understand... when he played well everyone was calling for him to be icluded in the England squad... he was one of our better players in 2006 and in 2007 if it wasnt for the injury and then Rafa's decision not to play him after that, whos to say he wouldnt have doe just as well.. this season... he hasnt been given the chance as far as im concerned... you can question his attitude, commitment, etc etc all you want but imo theres little doubt when it comes to the guys talents... but then again same can be said about many many many excellent footballers

Whats most frustrating to me is that we always seem to struggle to use our wide areas effectively... the likes of Kuyt and Benayoun arent real wingers and will always struggle to make a significant impact from wider areas (before anyone trows kuyts 5 goals or whatever at me.. im talking about impact from WIDE areas and not when they play deeper inside or as forwards, second strikers etc).. why do we still keep picking them ahead of Pennant and even Elzhar... i know many teams dont play the traditional winger thing anymore but surely in many cases when you're trying to break down teams and stretch defenses its good to have someone who can actually run with the ball down the line and get some chalk on his knees...

He's no world beater but he isnt half as bad as some make him out to be either... in terms of right wingers i cant think of many in the english league who are better than he is.... Ronaldo,Young, maybe Bentley, SWP... but thats about it... probably as good as Milner, Valencia, Lennon and the likes if not better imo... defo the best option down the right for us given what we have...

Unless we go out and buy someone whos better than him i think it would be best if we just stick him down there in the right wing in a 4-4-2 and give him a few games to prove his worth...

agree with your point about Pennants end product, he gets plenty of assists and always makes chances, people only dislike him for non footballing reasons. He's a damn sight better than kuyt, who everyone seems to love even though he is shocking on the wing, but hey he runs around a lot and works hard so he must be good.

by **Simari** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:57 pm

aCe' wrote:******************************************************

basically... the end product argument doesnt hold too well with me and i dont know where it comes from really... the whole 'he obviously has talet but he fails to perform' thing i just dont understand... when he played well everyone was calling for him to be icluded in the England squad... he was one of our better players in 2006 and in 2007 if it wasnt for the injury and then Rafa's decision not to play him after that

Rafa watches players in training carefully, especially after the media start focussing on their England chances. Pennant did think it was god-given right to be in the England team when he played well during that stretch that you mention. Unfortunately, he's gotta realise that it takes more than a few months of playing well to earn a regular spot or even a call up. He lost his focus after not being called up to the squad.

Pennant runs into blind alleys far too often. This forces him to deliver fairly ineffective crosses. When some say that he has talent, it is true. It's just that he still hasn't figured out how to apply it to the extent that he could be considered for a top 4 side.

He does have talent, since as you rightly point out - he did chip in with a few assists. It's just that if Gerrard in his advanced role provides more assists that Pennant in his role as a winger who purely crosses the ball ... for me atleast, there is something not right in that.

If he'd learn to whip in a fast, mid-low height cross or even have the confidence to shoot a bit more - then perhaps he could be used more.

by **Rorschach26** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:17 pm

Id have pennant in the team over kuyt 4 sure

but id rather him not be in the squad his attitude is dicusting

had the world at his feet when he was young & coulda been worldclass now if he had the attitude of a gerrard of carra

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:20 pm

by **aCe'** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:24 pm

burjennio wrote:
aCe' Posted on Dec. 25 2008,04:44for just one last time... i wanna know why almost everyone down here absolutely hates Jermaine Pennant ?!

he had his chance when he signed and he played ... check this out

2006..

played in more games than any other liverpool player making 52 appearances with Reina 2nd makind 51 appearances... joint top in most assists with Gerrard at 10 ... only managed one goal but played very well in many games and was probably our mom in the CL final...

2007

suffered a bad injury... only managed to play 25 games in total with 7 of them beig sub appearances late on.. scored 2 goals and was second only to Gerrard in our assists charts with 7 despite playing fewer games and minutes than almost everyone in our first team then...

2008

started 3 and came on a sub in 1... didt manage to score but has 2 assists and was our man of the match in the carling cup game he started accordig to many..

******************************************************

basically... the end product argument doesnt hold too well with me and i dont know where it comes from really... the whole 'he obviously has talet but he fails to perform' thing i just dont understand... when he played well everyone was calling for him to be icluded in the England squad... he was one of our better players in 2006 and in 2007 if it wasnt for the injury and then Rafa's decision not to play him after that, whos to say he wouldnt have doe just as well.. this season... he hasnt been given the chance as far as im concerned... you can question his attitude, commitment, etc etc all you want but imo theres little doubt when it comes to the guys talents... but then again same can be said about many many many excellent footballers

Whats most frustrating to me is that we always seem to struggle to use our wide areas effectively... the likes of Kuyt and Benayoun arent real wingers and will always struggle to make a significant impact from wider areas (before anyone trows kuyts 5 goals or whatever at me.. im talking about impact from WIDE areas and not when they play deeper inside or as forwards, second strikers etc).. why do we still keep picking them ahead of Pennant and even Elzhar... i know many teams dont play the traditional winger thing anymore but surely in many cases when you're trying to break down teams and stretch defenses its good to have someone who can actually run with the ball down the line and get some chalk on his knees...

He's no world beater but he isnt half as bad as some make him out to be either... in terms of right wingers i cant think of many in the english league who are better than he is.... Ronaldo,Young, maybe Bentley, SWP... but thats about it... probably as good as Milner, Valencia, Lennon and the likes if not better imo... defo the best option down the right for us given what we have...

Unless we go out and buy someone whos better than him i think it would be best if we just stick him down there in the right wing in a 4-4-2 and give him a few games to prove his worth...

people dont like him because hes an arrogant pi$$head whod rather earn £50k a week to run around London boozing and hittin on skanks than playin football. Then because he has no end product (his crossing is AWFUL FFS!)

that has nothing to do with football and can be said about 5 out of every 10 players in England if you'd know better... hes earned himself a bad reputation and basically every wrong he does now is highlighted by the media and fans alike... rarely stops managers from picking players and again, he played 52 appearances in his first season for us and he wasnt that different when it came to that aspect then...

about his crossing... i just simply cant agree with you there...

hes the best crosser in our team bar gerrard... more often than not you wonder why our forwards arent in good positions to attack his crosses more often and from what iv seen he more often than not puts his cross in the riht area for players to come and attack it... the fact that we have central midfielders who dont really put any effort into getting themselves inside the oppo box EVER also adds to our troubles when it comes to that...

one more thing... compared to Kuyt, Benny and even ElZhar, he's a god when it comes to crossing..

by **aCe'** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:39 pm

Simari wrote:
aCe' wrote:******************************************************

basically... the end product argument doesnt hold too well with me and i dont know where it comes from really... the whole 'he obviously has talet but he fails to perform' thing i just dont understand... when he played well everyone was calling for him to be icluded in the England squad... he was one of our better players in 2006 and in 2007 if it wasnt for the injury and then Rafa's decision not to play him after that

Rafa watches players in training carefully, especially after the media start focussing on their England chances. Pennant did think it was god-given right to be in the England team when he played well during that stretch that you mention. Unfortunately, he's gotta realise that it takes more than a few months of playing well to earn a regular spot or even a call up. He lost his focus after not being called up to the squad.

Pennant runs into blind alleys far too often. This forces him to deliver fairly ineffective crosses. When some say that he has talent, it is true. It's just that he still hasn't figured out how to apply it to the extent that he could be considered for a top 4 side.

He does have talent, since as you rightly point out - he did chip in with a few assists. It's just that if Gerrard in his advanced role provides more assists that Pennant in his role as a winger who purely crosses the ball ... for me atleast, there is something not right in that.

If he'd learn to whip in a fast, mid-low height cross or even have the confidence to shoot a bit more - then perhaps he could be used more.

couple of points here...

how do you know that hes lost his focus ? 2007... only started 18 games for us and was still second in our assist ranks only behind gerrard... wasnt played even when fit... but despite that still managed to chip in with a couple of goals and 7 assists which is good in my books given the time he's played...

hes direct which is very very important for us imo... we dont have enough of that... Torres andd Gerrard and thats it... take Torres(injured) out of the equation and we struggle in that department ...

thing is.. i cant remember the last time we had a defender defend against us with him facing his own goal.. we'r too slow in the buildup more often than not and we seem to have abandoned the whole fast break thing all together given the players we start... its always 20 passes, mostly sideways and backwards before we start looking dangerous higher up the pitch... atleast with a player like pennant we can try different things and go for the direct approach sometimes...

and one more thing... whats not right about Gerrard getting more assists than Pennant did last season ? gerrard played atleast 3x as many minutes im guessing and played as a second striker for most of his assists and had Torres to pick out rather than some craappy striker as we had in 2006.. and hey.. again, Pennant was only 2nd in our assists ranks so why not pick on the other 4 midfielders who started regularly and couldnt manage as many assists ?

we dont create enough from the middle of the park mate... Alonso, Mascherano, even Riera and Kuyt ... not that big an impact when it comes to creating goals... they do brilliantly each in his own thing but in terms of creating and scoring goals we still rely heavily on Gerrard and Torres to get it done through the middle... need a different outlet and to me Pennant would have been a good one.

by **GYBS** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:51 pm

ace . You must be making things up . This season kuyt scored more from the right side in 15 games than what pennant has the whole time he has been here . Last season kuyt was second in assists behind gerrard . With yossi just behind . Pennant played with crouch a whole season yet hardly created anything due to his end product and crossing being for the majority of the time poor and wasteful . I really would like to know what pennant you watch cause its not the one we have a liverpool . He is basically not good enough and doesnt bring enough to the team and please dont go on about a half decent second half against a lower league team in the carling cup cause that counts for nothing. The sooner he goes the better .

by **Simari** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:12 pm

Pennant hardly found Crouch with his looping crosses ...

He crosses the ball more than any other premiership player when he is fit, but most of them don't find their target because they have no pace or direction ....

He has talent, I won't deny that. But he needs to be confident and he's 26 already. I don't see it happening for him since he really doesn't want it as much as some of the others on our team and other top sides.

by **aCe'** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:12 pm

GYBS wrote:ace . You must be making things up . This season kuyt scored more from the right side in 15 games than what pennant has the whole time he has been here . Last season kuyt was second in assists behind gerrard . With yossi just behind . Pennant played with crouch a whole season yet hardly created anything due to his end product and crossing being for the majority of the time poor and wasteful . I really would like to know what pennant you watch cause its not the one we have a liverpool . He is basically not good enough and doesnt bring enough to the team and please dont go on about a half decent second half against a lower league team in the carling cup cause that counts for nothing. The sooner he goes the better .

hehehe... alright heres a link to the 2007 stats lad...
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team....gueId=0

Kuyt doing more from the right side ? when was the last time he beat a man or put in a good cross ?
we draw way too many games because partly because Kuyt contributes so little in terms of creating opportunities for forwards..
A wingers job is to create chances... put in crosses ... stretch fullbacks..open up spaces... kuyt doesnt do enough of that... he works hard and the only reason hed give a fullback trouble is because he works hard to close them down and he cuts in way too often which in turn narrows the pitch for us... in case you havent noticed we dont happen to have a dani alves playing at right back going past fullbacks and putting in decent crosses so basically thats one side of the pitch seriously lacking in terms of creativity and ability to create chances...

id agree with the fact that most of his crosses are wasted though... but then again atleast someone is putting the ball in dangerous places and as evident by the number of goals he created ad how that compares to other players in our squad you ave to admit that it can potentially make a difference...

its all about using as many different ways to get the ball in dangerous positions for our forwards to try and score.. i feel that given the way we play, and given the fact that we have players like Mascherano, Alonso, Lucas and even Gerrard in the middle of the park doing defensive jobs and working hard ... its more useful to have a direct, pacey winger who can cross a ball rather than a workhorse, out of position striker whos only contribution to the teams attacking play is the very few goals he scores.

by **GYBS** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:22 pm

everything you say kuyt doesnt do pennant doesnt as well . Can think of prob three games where he has done well for us couple games against chelsea and the cl final other than that ? ?. Three in his whole time that stand out the rest just the same , lots of ball but too busy cutting inside and too many crosses hit too high or not going past the first man . He has scored twice is it ? In the whole time he has been there . Not good enough .

by **aCe'** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:16 am

GYBS wrote:everything you say kuyt doesnt do pennant doesnt as well . Can think of prob three games where he has done well for us couple games against chelsea and the cl final other than that ? ?. Three in his whole time that stand out the rest just the same , lots of ball but too busy cutting inside and too many crosses hit too high or not going past the first man . He has scored twice is it ? In the whole time he has been there . Not good enough .

this is just going around in circles now..we'll just have to agree to disagree i guess.. you dont rate him.. fair enough.. i do

by **Leonmc0708** » Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:19 am

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