Rafa benitez - My thoughts

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Postby Zidane » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:50 pm

Liverpool's Jermaine Pennant and Tottenham's Aaron Lennon could be switching clubs in January if Reds manager Rafael Benitez has his way.

Pennant - on his way to the Lane?

Benitez will tempt Spurs with the 25-year-old winger plus a £7million sweetener in a bid to lure the diminutive Lennon to Anfield.

Liverpool are keen to offload Pennant as soon as possible, as the player has six months left on his contract and would be able to leave the club for nothing come the end of the season. Even if Spurs refuse to include Lennon in the deal, it is thought Redknapp will pursue Pennant's signature for a fee of £3million.

Both Blackburn and Stoke have shown interest in Pennant in recent weeks, but the wideman has indicated no enthusiasm for a move to either club. A return to London, however, might prove a more alluring prospect for the former Arsenal player, who has struggled to make a significant impact on Merseyside. Spurs boss Harry Redknapp is a known admirer, and tried to sign the winger last summer while manager of Portsmouth.


It's the ESPN thing, they usually just throw up random BS so I wouldn't think too much of it but then again it does seem like a sure thing that Pennant is more than likely being sold.
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Postby Number 9 » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:51 pm

bavlondon wrote:Is it? What has Pennant even done this season.

Drunk champagne,shagged all round him and missed training.I doubt it was for a docs appointment either.Its a shame because he could have been a good player but to me all I see is an arrogant little gimp that is more interested in living the life of a footballer than actually being one.

Waste of space,get him out to fu'ck.Should never have signed him in the first place!
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Postby tubby » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:57 pm

Exactly. Id rather have someone that to be fair has shown at times he can be a handful in the squad than this guy who isnt fit to wear the red shirt.
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Postby Petar » Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:34 am

we haven`t money to compete,blablabla... You could buy Benzema for 30 milion euros,oh I am tired of arguing,cause he is always going to buy :censored: player! dossena plus keane equal benzema and insua... I know which of the 2 I would choose
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Postby SupitsJonF » Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:37 am

Petar wrote:we haven`t money to compete,blablabla... You could buy Benzema for 30 milion euros,oh I am tired of arguing,cause he is always going to buy :censored: player! dossena plus keane equal benzema and insua... I know which of the 2 I would choose

No one knew Keane would be a flop, and mostly everyone was satisfied with signing him.
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Postby burjennio » Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:39 am

benzema? proven quality is he? the next Henry/Zidane/Trezeguet/Platini/Cheryou/Boumsong
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Postby Petar » Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:54 am

SupitsJonF wrote:
Petar wrote:we haven`t money to compete,blablabla... You could buy Benzema for 30 milion euros,oh I am tired of arguing,cause he is always going to buy :censored: player! dossena plus keane equal benzema and insua... I know which of the 2 I would choose

No one knew Keane would be a flop, and mostly everyone was satisfied with signing him.

keane is flop because Liverpool plays shitt footie. You can`t expect him to be good signing because he gets two balls per game in feet. Two holding midfielder all the time don`t help either.

But I like younger players,as Benzema
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Postby Bad Bob » Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:56 am

Petar wrote:You could buy Benzema for 30 milion euros

You his agent? ???
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Postby Emerald Red » Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:42 am

SupitsJonF wrote:
Petar wrote:we haven`t money to compete,blablabla... You could buy Benzema for 30 milion euros,oh I am tired of arguing,cause he is always going to buy :censored: player! dossena plus keane equal benzema and insua... I know which of the 2 I would choose

No one knew Keane would be a flop, and mostly everyone was satisfied with signing him.

Hold on a second - he isn't a flop yet until he's had a fair crack at it. I hate it when people start jumping on a bandwagon.
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Postby Emerald Red » Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:45 am

Petar wrote:
SupitsJonF wrote:
Petar wrote:we haven`t money to compete,blablabla... You could buy Benzema for 30 milion euros,oh I am tired of arguing,cause he is always going to buy :censored: player! dossena plus keane equal benzema and insua... I know which of the 2 I would choose

No one knew Keane would be a flop, and mostly everyone was satisfied with signing him.

keane is flop because Liverpool plays shitt footie. You can`t expect him to be good signing because he gets two balls per game in feet. Two holding midfielder all the time don`t help either.

But I like younger players,as Benzema

Yeah, our football is so sh*t that we've bored our way to the top of the table and topped the group in the CL. Catch yourself on.
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Postby Rush Job » Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:00 am

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woof woof ! wrote:TBH I'm completely stumped when it comes to Rafa's apparent "attitude" to Robbie Keane. Having agreed a £20 million fee for the fella you would expect Rafa to be going all out to support, encourage and get the best from the player. Instead it sometimes seems that Rafa's been landed with a player that he didn't really want in the first place, almost shades of Mourinho and Schevchenko. Is it a case of Rafa expecting Keane to do a Torres and immediately step up to the plate and having failed to do so he's now on Rafa's sh'it list ? .

Not noted for putting an arm around players I'm wondering if Rafa has got it wrong on this one, not defending Keane here, but the world and it's dog expected better things from Keane at LFC, whats gone wrong ? surely Rafa bears some responsibility for it ? .

I wonder if Keane wasn't exactly top of Rafa's list of buys in the summer. Maybe he wanted Barry much more? Parry gets the list and goes for the one he likes best, rather than the one Rafa needs most? Pays so much for Keane that we can't afford the others Rafa was after, and totally blows Rafa's transfer plans out the window.

Mate that is exacly as I see it, from reading between the lines and from what has been said Rafa wanted Barry as his big signing and ended up with Keane who was more Parry choice.
The only reason I havent said so is because I know certain people would have seen it as me just trying to remove blame from Rafa so I kept it to myself.
The other thing is when people say how could he spend 20mill on Keane, well HE didnt, Rafa plays no part in monetary negotiations and if he did I dout he would have spent so much on someone who wasnt even his number one target.But obviously thats just my opinion.

:D I was wondering how long this theory would take to surface. When you say the reason you didn't say it Rushie (this thing about Keane been Parry's choice not Rafa's) was because you felt certain people would view it as an attempt to "remove blame" from Rafa, you were spot on.

The "Parry theory" is an attempt to remove blame for a misfiring 20 million quid transfer from Rafa, nothing more, nothing less  :D

I ask you this, knowing Rafa as we do, does anybody seriously believe Parry would be able to spend 20 million quid on a player who Rafa doesn't want without the manager at the very least kicking off, and in all probability fecking off?

No, Keane was Rafa's choice and it's down to him and the player to try their very best to make the thing work. 20 million quid is a sh!tload of money, and we just happen to be fully engaged in the title race (oops) so sorting it out is far more impotant than any individuals ego. Step one, centainly while Torres is injured is playing Keane, regardless (yep, I mean regardless) of how he plays.

Expected. It was s@int who raised it mate, non of us know exactly what went on and I'm certainly not claiming to but what we do know is while Barry rightly or wrongly was Rafas number one target the money went on Keane instead because the money men (Parry/owners) didnt see enough sell on value because of his age, so Benitez was denied his number one target, although they had no problem shelling out even more for another player of the same age.
That says to me and I'm sure Rafa that the Barry deal falling though had nothing to do with money and everything to do with Parrys opinion of the player.
As I said its just me reading between the lines but it probably a load of nonsense due to my insatiable lust towards Benitez ay.
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Postby SupitsJonF » Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:06 am

Emerald Red wrote:
SupitsJonF wrote:
Petar wrote:we haven`t money to compete,blablabla... You could buy Benzema for 30 milion euros,oh I am tired of arguing,cause he is always going to buy :censored: player! dossena plus keane equal benzema and insua... I know which of the 2 I would choose

No one knew Keane would be a flop, and mostly everyone was satisfied with signing him.

Hold on a second - he isn't a flop yet until he's had a fair crack at it. I hate it when people start jumping on a bandwagon.

Saying it in Petars terms.
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Postby Rush Job » Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:12 am

Sabre wrote:
The "Parry theory" is an attempt to remove blame for a misfiring 20 million quid transfer from Rafa, nothing more, nothing less


A theory I don't buy, for the record.

Parry doesn't decide the list of players we're interested on, Rafa does. Out of that list, Parry will in theory make happen those of the movements that can be made. But I have never thought Keane was Parry's option. I've read it here and there in this forum but I don't know where it comes from that theory. Perhaps Parry told Rafa Keane could be done and Barry couldn't, but that doesn't make Keane Parry's option. (Feel free to correct me if I missed some relevant info about that, but I don't see the Shevshenko analogy).

I think that when a player works well like Torres, Rafa must get credit. If a 20M signing up doesn't work well, it's also Rafa's responsability. All that said, I'm far from sure Keane has been a mistake even if he hasn't started the way we'd like. Let's see what happens.

For the record I have never once tryed to suggest that Parry turn up one day out of the blue with Keane and said here you go Rafa surprise. I dont think so.
Of course Rafa puts the possible names forward but he would also state his number one targets and expect his CEO if the money is there to get his man, I think thats where conflict happened.
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Postby Rush Job » Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:21 am

Number 9 wrote:Of course Rafa wanted Keane ffs its daft to suggest otherwise.And at the time the vast majority on here seemed made up.In fact off the top of my head the only two posters I can remember saying the thought he would be a flop are Ciggy and Leon.
Is he a flop?...well only a liar would say up until now he's been anything else but a flop.
But that does not mean he cannot come good,he's a quality player.

There are I'm sure things going on behind the scenes between him and Rafa.I think Rafa has pulled him aside and said,listen take a couple off weeks out and get your head right,we have Torres coming back soon,you'se can play together and make it work.
To me Keanes sheer desperation and frustration on the pitch at times was embarrassing.He was trying way to hard and it just was'nt happening.
Maybe the couple of weeks off will do him good and he can start over and be the player he is,cause the vast majority of his performances up until now have been light years from what he is capable of.There have been one or two glimpses,the two goals in a game and the two inch perfect balls he played in another that had commentators raving and even managed something near a compliment from some on here that were on his back.

But at the end of the day Rafa chose him because he has been fantastic at Spurs and felt he would fit right in..to say Parry brought him in is a joke!

No body said Rafa had nothing to do with it, thats not what I said.
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Number 9 wrote:Of course Rafa wanted Keane ffs its daft to suggest otherwise.And at the time the vast majority on here seemed made up.In fact off the top of my head the only two posters I can remember saying the thought he would be a flop are Ciggy and Leon.
Is he a flop?...well only a liar would say up until now he's been anything else but a flop.
But that does not mean he cannot come good,he's a quality player.

There are I'm sure things going on behind the scenes between him and Rafa.I think Rafa has pulled him aside and said,listen take a couple off weeks out and get your head right,we have Torres coming back soon,you'se can play together and make it work.
To me Keanes sheer desperation and frustration on the pitch at times was embarrassing.He was trying way to hard and it just was'nt happening.
Maybe the couple of weeks off will do him good and he can start over and be the player he is,cause the vast majority of his performances up until now have been light years from what he is capable of.There have been one or two glimpses,the two goals in a game and the two inch perfect balls he played in another that had commentators raving and even managed something near a compliment from some on here that were on his back.

But at the end of the day Rafa chose him because he has been fantastic at Spurs and felt he would fit right in..to say Parry brought him in is a joke!

No body said Rafa had nothing to do with it, thats not what I said.

:laugh:  its not what you said, its what they want to read that counts.
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