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by **JoeTerp** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:16 pm

mistyred wrote:
JoeTerp wrote:
Sabre wrote:I read an African citizen living in my country complaining in the newspaper today.

He claims that Obama is not black, he's a mix (a mulato) because his parents have different colours of skin. He claims then that he can't be considered black. He blames us the whites, of calling black whatever it's not pure white. He says Obama is as white, as black. If he's not white, he's not black either.

Well I had never thought of that. Myself I dream of the day in which it's not "news" to have a black, white, green or yellow president, in the day where it's not even commented as an anecdote. We should leave past centuries of racial wittery behind, and consider all human kind the same.

I was very surprised to see black people in America going as crazy as they did. It was if they announced reparations or something. Obama has no ties to slavery and he came of age after the main struggles of the civil rights movement, and was raised mostly by his White grandparents and mother. Normally Blacks vote 90:10 Dem to republican, but this election was something around 150-200:1 Thats crazy. And McCain is a moderate republican.

Also, I found it very strange when Black people celebrated the O.J. Simpson verdict, after he committed double murder and got off.

In case people were wondering I voted for Bob Barr, and I voted for slot machines in race tracks in Maryland AND IT PASSED!!!!!!!

Joe my kids are raised by a balck father (Me) and a white
mother and they still see themselves black or mixed race
and black people still like them

I was talking about the civil rights movement in America in the 1960s and Obama's ties to it. I wasn't trying to analyze his racial makeup, I was pointing out that his family history is not one of slavery and intense prejduice.

Did Obama face harsh racism and did he have to overcome extra obsticles because of the color of his skin? YES Was it on the same level as people like Dr. MLK Jr. or Jessie Jackson or almost any black man that is 10+ years older than Obama? Not exactly.

I was just trying to say that Obama does not have much in common with most African-Americans, especially in terms of the types of lives that his parents lead compared to the parents of most African-Americans. And yet, African-Americans celebrated waaay more when Obama won (then when Clinton won (and he was VERY popular with African-Americans)), and why? because of the color of his skin. And that goes to the point Sabre was making. It really shouldn't be a big deal at all that Obama was black or half black. That shouldn't be an issue

by **mistyred** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:39 pm

Ino what your sayin joe it does make sense mate, but what i am saying is
why should he have desend from slavery? not all black families do and you will
still like them, not every black person get's called vile names and not evry blackman
has a tench in dick (I'm Mean i do) but that's a whole different story.

by **JoeTerp** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:40 pm

mistyred wrote:Ino what your sayin joe it does make sense mate, but what i am saying is
why should he have desend from slavery? not all black families do and you will
still like them, not every black person get's called vile names and not evry blackman
has a tench in dick (I'm Mean i do) but that's a whole different story.

I am not saying that its less impressive or historic. In fact, it might be more historic in that Obama is a 1st generation American on one half of his family. I don't know how many other presidents can claim that, but it seems pretty important considering we are a nation of immigrants.

And this has nothing to do with "liking" people as a person. I have lots of friends of all different kinds of races and a couple of mixed cousins.

I just can't stand the people who think "I'm not a racist, I voted for Obama" F. U. to those people. Same goes to any black person who voted for Obama mainly because he was black, which statistically must be at least 7%.

For the people who indicated "Race was a factor in my decision" (the latest number I saw) 64% voted for Obama. It was quite the opposite of a black man couldn't get elected in this country. According to the exit poll stats, a minority candidate had a better chance of winning.

by **tubby** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:45 pm

When is the inaugeration ceremoney Joe?

by **JoeTerp** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:46 pm

bavlondon wrote:When is the inaugeration ceremoney Joe?

Janurary 20th

but Obama will be VERY VERY involved with his transition team (that he had already picked months ago).

He seems VERY on top of everything which I guess is a good thing

Also since he is still a senator I am sure that he will have a LOT of influence in the Senate from here till the end of the year (we normally elect governors, I think JFK was last senator)

I expect a lot of executive orders in the first 100 days and he will probably try to get a feeler out there between now and then on what will fly and what wont. Also Pelosi will be trying to see how far she can pull Obama back to the left, which will be VERY interesting. Because of Obama comes right out the bat leaning left, I can bet you that a lot of the new elected democrats wont let it fly (most of them are "Blue Dog" Dems)

However, those were the mistakes that Clinton made when he first came in, and as a result, two years later, the electorate put in a republican congress to balance the power because we are very afraid of dems in control of evreything and running things waaaaay off to the left.

So it is very likely that Obama will govern from the center like his campaign was more towards the center than his senate voting record.

by **mistyred** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:50 pm

As long as the person that is picked try's his or her best and doesn't make any major
F up's i would think that most (Not All) would be happy. Sadly not everybody
thinks that way but you get the jist.

It's people who blow Obama's heritage out of proportion, i wouldn't give
a monkeys if he was green i just want him to sort out America's economic
crises so that it doesn't feel like i work all the hours god sends for absolute
pennies.

by **tubby** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:03 pm

He shouldn't have a problem pushing any new legislation either with that 57.7% majority in the house of representatives. I was crossing my fingers for the 60% so they would have the 'super majority'.

I wonder who will lead the way for the Republicans now? McCain is surley finished but people are saying is Palin chooses to run it will make the party shift to the right more. That could be a bad thing imo.

What a job Obama has to do though. He just inherited a recession that no one even knows the extent of. Also I thought share prices would bounce after the result but the DowJones was down by a bit today.

by **JoeTerp** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:11 pm

in terms of trying to earn reelection, Obama is in a great position. If the economy keeps falling apart he can blame it on Bush and say that only time can heal wounds and it might have to get worse before it can get better etc. etc. and if it goes up, he will get all the credit in the world and win by a HUGE margin, especially if the republicans don't get their act together.

The only way I can see him losing the election is if he doesn't pull out of Iraq, the economy is even worse off, socialized health care and whatever else gets socialized doesn't work, and then the republicans pick a non-interventionalist, small government, low taxes, even lower spending Goldwater type candidate.

by **Sabre** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:06 pm

Spanish government is happy that the bilateral relationships will get better with Obama, as Bush didn't like us and didn't treat us with the proper respect.

Now we're friends again Joe

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:38 am

I think all Obama's election victory has proven is that if you spend enough money you can buy anything ....even the U.S.A.

by **GYBS** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:48 am

bavlondon wrote:
GYBS wrote:get us out of iraq and afghan before i have to go there in dec:D

Iraq maybe but Afghanistan? Hate to break it to you bud but British forces will be involved in operations for at least the next 5 - 10 years. Obama has even said he will be sending more troops to Afghanistan. I feel for you though.

i know mate . The septics arent going to stop until they get the main guy , in the meantime more british troops will die out there . Already lost two guys i have worked with and its not good . Would like this gi bill to be implemented here as well . Better pay , better conditions , better accomodation for troops . Also better compensation for troops injured . There was a story about a civilian admin who got half a million pound from government cause she got mild rsi where as a guy on camp lost a leg and he got ten grand comp ? ! Pathetic .

by **metalhead** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:49 pm

s@int wrote:I think all Obama's election victory has proven is that if you spend enough money you can buy anything ....even the U.S.A.

No, I spent money and didn't become school president 4 years ago

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:51 pm

I think the key word is "enough" money mate. You obviously didn't spend enough on bribes

Obama spent about 4 times as much as McCain, or so they reckon on the BBC.

by **metalhead** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:55 pm

s@int wrote:I think the key word is "enough" money mate. You obviously didn't spend enough on bribes

Obama spent about 4 times as much as McCain, or so they reckon on the BBC.

but but... I thought I did

:sniffle

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:00 pm

metalhead wrote:
s@int wrote:I think the key word is "enough" money mate. You obviously didn't spend enough on bribes

Obama spent about 4 times as much as McCain, or so they reckon on the BBC.

but but... I thought I did

Next time just bribe the person who counts the votes

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