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abcdefg wrote:sorry if i'm replying here but i cannot open a new thread. I would like from you a little help to identify this soccer ball i found in a street in Rome, yeah in a street, under a car 

here's the ball, anyone can tell me something about it?

Judge wrote:

abcdefg wrote:sorry if i'm replying here but i cannot open a new thread. I would like from you a little help to identify this soccer ball i found in a street in Rome, yeah in a street, under a car 

here's the ball, anyone can tell me something about it?

well, its a hand sown, tested brown football, that says liverpool on it

are you Fu*king blind, have you been to baz school of w@nk

 

s@int wrote:Danny Murphy Charlton £2,500,000 10.08.2004
Michael Owen Real Madrid £8,500,000 14.08.2004
El Hadji Diouf Bolton £3,500,000 15.06.2005
Alou Diarra Lens £2,000,000 23.06.2005
Milan Baros Aston Villa £6,500,000 23.08.2005
Zak Whitbread Millwall £200,000 13.06.2006
Djimi Traore Charlton £2,000,000 09.08.2006
Neil Mellor Preston £500,000 30.08.2006
Chris Kirkland Wigan Athletic £3,500,000 27.10.2006
Stephen Warnock Blackburn £1,500,000 22.01.2007
Florent Sinama-Pongolle Recreativo de Huelva £2,700,000 04.05.2007
Djibril Cissé Marseille £6,000,000 09.07.2007
John Arne Riise AS Roma £4,000,000 01.07.2008

Thats £43million.


Its not what the players are worth now - its what the players will be worth when and if Rafa leaves that counts ...... if you are doing a comparison with Houllier (which I am not)

Owen for example was reputedly worth £25million under Houllier - we actually got about £10million for him.... £8million + Nunez.

So Rafa didn't receive £10million or so for Owen or £2.5million for Murphy? B0llocks.

Rafa has spent £163million - less the money received for players HE bought and sold = £49million  which means he has spent £114million or averaging £22.8million in 5 seasons including this one.(which he hasn't finished spending in!)

£114million would buy a full team of £10million players with a bit of loose change to buy a squad player. Or maybe he could have just bought 4 or 5 £20million pound players and wasted the rest on underperforming squad players?

abcdefg wrote:i don't want to sell it, just want to know if it's original or if anyone has ever seen something similar

abcdefg wrote:sorry if i'm replying here but i cannot open a new thread. I would like from you a little help to identify this soccer ball i found in a street in Rome, yeah in a street, under a car 

here's the ball, anyone can tell me something about it?

s@int wrote:Danny Murphy Charlton £2,500,000 10.08.2004
Michael Owen Real Madrid £8,500,000 14.08.2004
El Hadji Diouf Bolton £3,500,000 15.06.2005
Alou Diarra Lens £2,000,000 23.06.2005
Milan Baros Aston Villa £6,500,000 23.08.2005
Zak Whitbread Millwall £200,000 13.06.2006
Djimi Traore Charlton £2,000,000 09.08.2006
Neil Mellor Preston £500,000 30.08.2006
Chris Kirkland Wigan Athletic £3,500,000 27.10.2006
Stephen Warnock Blackburn £1,500,000 22.01.2007
Florent Sinama-Pongolle Recreativo de Huelva £2,700,000 04.05.2007
Djibril Cissé Marseille £6,000,000 09.07.2007
John Arne Riise AS Roma £4,000,000 01.07.2008

Thats £43million.


Its not what the players are worth now - its what the players will be worth when and if Rafa leaves that counts ...... if you are doing a comparison with Houllier (which I am not)

Owen for example was reputedly worth £25million under Houllier - we actually got about £10million for him.... £8million + Nunez.

So Rafa didn't receive £10million or so for Owen or £2.5million for Murphy? B0llocks.

Rafa has spent £163million - less the money received for players HE bought and sold = £49million  which means he has spent £114million or averaging £22.8million in 5 seasons including this one.(which he hasn't finished spending in!)

£114million would buy a full team of £10million players with a bit of loose change to buy a squad player. Or maybe he could have just bought 4 or 5 £20million pound players and wasted the rest on underperforming squad players?

Danny Murphy Charlton £2,500,000 10.08.2004
Michael Owen Real Madrid £8,500,000 14.08.2004
Zak Whitbread Millwall £200,000 13.06.2006
Neil Mellor Preston £500,000 30.08.2006
Stephen Warnock Blackburn £1,500,000 22.01.2007

All these players came through the academy and not something houllier brought to the club at all!
That is 13.2 millions less.
Would be like saying now if Rafa sold Gerrard for 35 million
that Rafa is a genious in the transfer market.


Well, since Rafa has been very smart in the market
all his expenisve buys are top class and most imortantly very young so they will be worth alot for a very long time.
Torres, Masch, Babel, his 3 most expensive signings are all under 25!
So that is a non issue.

And whose fault was it we only got 10 millions for him?
Houllier because he didn't take care of it when he should have and held a firm ground. And once again Owen is not a Houllier buy!

Yes, Rafa got 12.5 million for those 2 but it still doesn't change the fact that the squad Rafa has spent on now is still worth more than the 163 million spent so far in the market and he still has sold his own buys for an additional 49 million.

22.8 millions is nothing since that has to be used to fill
every place in a squad except gerrards and Carra.
A squad is around 20-25 players, let's say 23 players.
114 millions in 20 new players that must be good enough when called upon is damn hard!
What if one of them cost over 20 million like Torres?
That leave only 94 million for 19 players!

That makes up of an average of 5 million on each player!
What kind of a team will that give you in todays market???

Once again you go and say 114 million is enough to be able to spend 10 million on each player.
Please this isn't 1980 ,where it is enough to have 11 top class players and nothin else. We would be slaughtered in the season when you play over 60 games.
You can't expect nobodys to just come in and be just as great as the 10 million players when injuries and fatigue sets in.
Those things actually happen.

Spending 20 million on 4-5 top players won't help either
since you can't have half a team being reserve team material and expect the other half to do the business.
We would be eaten alive!

s@int wrote:As I have repeatedly pointed out to you RAFA didn't fkn start at the club with no fkn team. HE ALREADY HAD AROUND 12 GOOD PLAYERS when he came. Add 10 OR 11 £10MILLION POUND PLAYERS TO THOSE AND YOU HAVE A FULL SQUAD of top talent. We may have had to struggle to win the league for 2 or three years while the class players were brought in, but as we haven't won the league anyway it hardly matters, and we won the CL final with 12 players left to him by Houllier + 2 Rafa players

Its not that hard to understand

We had Dudek,Finnan, Riise, Carra ,Hyypia, Hamann, Gerrard, Pongole,Kewell, Owen, Cisse, Baros. Then we had the cr@p to make up the numbers, some of which wern't THAT BAD like Biscan and Murphy.

You buy two or three top class players a season and within 4 years you have a team of outstanding talent with a decent squad. Once the team and the squad are sorted you can then just add to it as needed. Then you start to invest in young talent, while still replacing players as necessary.

It sounds so easy , friggen hell rafa lad your sh!te. You should have fecked sami lee off and employed saint instead.




Only messin with yer mate.

LFC2007 wrote:

bigmick wrote:Ah once again the paraphrase, "Eurpoe is a piece of p!ss" Once again I can see I'm going to have to put disclaimers when I say and have said and will say that to qualify and get out of the group stages is a minimum for any Liverpool manager, indeed any manager of a big four English club "I'M NOT SAYING WINNING THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE IS A PIECE OF P!SS".

I was taking the Michael Mouse, exaggerating your position - much in the same way as you do to others.

That apart, Rafa's record in the league certainly isn't in a different stratosphere to Houllier so in that sense it's a fair question. Indeed, in the season where Houllier got ill and Thompson took over, were if only fleetingly involved in the title race for a while (well I was dreaming anyway even if nobody else was). We even managed to finish second, which obviously we have never been anywhere near under Rafa at least i don't think we have anyway.

Well, we 've been third, just one point behind second, so in that sense, we've been significantly nearer than 'having never been anywhere near second'.

Where he's in a different stratoshere, is that he buys better players, builds better teams, doesn't rattle off some pointless stat about us having the most corners in the league when we've played sh!t, doesn't claim players are the new Raul etc etc. There is absolutely no question in my mind that he is in a different stratosphere, and that the team we have now is infinitely superior to the one which won the Champions League. The fact that this team, though vastly superior is only able to match Houlliers band of merry men in the League is astonishing really. It leads you to look for a reason, and I think I found it about three seasons ago.

With little or no accommodation for the fact that the league is now stronger, and more difficult to win?. Chelsea are infinitely stronger and the Manc's have arguably the best side they've had in a decade. Granted Arsenal aren't as good as they were under Houllier (though they still linger as a big threat), but the rise of Chelsea and the development of the Manc's (not to mention the overall increase in spending power amongst many of the smaller clubs) justify in my eyes that it's now tougher to win. Enough even to counter the fact that our squad has improved significantly - esp. given that Rafa wasn't privy to having two great strikers in their prime at his disposal. Suffice to say, I agree that we need to see progression this season, and that means a challenge sustained for significantly longer.

This is all IMO of course, and I reserve the right not to be mocked for having it.