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Sabre wrote:I have something to say in defence of Bigmick because I'm reading certain comments in different threads from a while ago. Until one year ago or something I agreed 90% of what he said. As of late, since the most popular topics of discussions are matters in which I disagree with him, I disagree more often.

But in agreement or disagreement, he's an excellent poster. Never drags a discussion forever, and if there's a fight he settles down it inmediatly. His attitude as a poster deserves all the respect, he's a credit for this forum.

FFS do not comment about the lenght of his posts. We complain about text speak, we complain about lazy copy and pasting, and then there's a poster who bothers to explain his point in a good english, and takes the time for it, and instead of being grateful we make jokes about it. At the end we'll make him post less and that will be bad for the forum. I saw a similar case in Red37's case and it really píssed me off when he started to post much less.

It's unfair Bigmick receives comments like that, especially if we consider many of his posts are proper answers when he's quoted or rebated an opinion. Again, he bothers to answer in good manners and we should appreciate it.

Nobody should expect to be read by others carefully -- I don't, there are too many posters to read. But nobody asks you to read what you find boring. There's not a rule about boring posts, quite simply because if you find something boring then you simply can skip it or ignore it. Let's respect a bit the posters that take care of their posts and are respectful with the rules, even if we disagree wholeheartedly (as I do about Rafa and rotation).

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:now we've stopped kissing Mick's arse we can get back to football.

I have to agree with bob that Benitez is trying in the league, because I can't think that anybody in their right mind would even consider not trying to win it. I still think he sacrifices the league however and this is where me and bob differ, to succeed in the champions league. If we were in the position Bolton currently find themselves in, third from bottom, yet still in the semi finals of the champions league, do you think Benitez would sacrifice losing the champions league in order to give the league a final push and stay up? I have to admit I don't think he would.

bob I have to ask you what's weak about this side...reina, finnan, carra, hyypia, aurelio, benayoun, gerrard, sissoko, leto, crouch, torres? back five is what most would pick anyway. you don't like pennant, so benayoun would be first choice on the right considering at this time of the season kuyt was still a forward. sissoko was playing because alonso was injured and mascherano was on the bench. leto on the left, remember he's of a similar age to babel and have been at Anfield for the same amount of time, so it would of been an inexperinced left winger either way and up front well, crouch and torres are the best two forwards we have. I really don't see how you can say "that's a weak side" Especially when you consider our next league game (2-2 with spurs) in which Arebloa, Pennant, Mascherano, Riise and Voronin started in place of Aurelio, Benayoun, Sissoko, Leto and Crouch. The five who come in are probably "weaker" then before for some. Other than Voronin I'd say it was stronger, but for you Bob who I can't recall you having many good words for Arbeloa yet you adore Aurelio. Not many good words towards Pennant. Riise has come in for some criticism of late and Voronin might as well not exist. So was it really a "weak" side he put out for the Marsielle game at Anfield?

John, we've had this discussion.  Any side that contains Leto is by definition weaker since he's not been heard from since.  Mascherano on the bench while Sissoko starts?  Weaker.  Benayoun I rate but others don't, so that one's debatable. Rafa has certainly used him sparingly, in any event, so he's hardly first choice.  So, that's three players but that's often what rotation amounts to from game to game.

The better question is your second one--is the lineup against Villa stronger.  It's debatable and that's the key.  Getting away from Reina, Carra, Gerrard, Masch and Torres and we're into a real discussion about what our strongest team is.  Since Rafa rarely rests those named players, it's hard to accuse him of picking weakened sides for Prem games at the expense of the Champions League.  For me, people make far too much about this idea that Rafa focuses on Europe.  If he were repeatedly resting Torres or Gerrard ahead of CL matches, you'd have a case.  Since he doesn't, I don't think the argument holds.

BTW, I actually like Arbeloa but don't think he's quite as amazing as some have made out.  Conversely, I don't "adore" Aurelio--I just know he's not as rubbish as some contend. 

Bad Bob wrote:John, we've had this discussion.  Any side that contains Leto is by definition weaker since he's not been heard from since.

bigmick wrote:I'd love to have a bevvie with you as well Lynds, so there you go

Leonmc0708 wrote:

bigmick wrote:I'd love to have a bevvie with you as well Lynds, so there you go

I have - the word carnage springs to mind.

Sabre wrote:I have something to say in defence of Bigmick because I'm reading certain comments in different threads from a while ago. Until one year ago or something I agreed 90% of what he said. As of late, since the most popular topics of discussions are matters in which I disagree with him, I disagree more often.

But in agreement or disagreement, he's an excellent poster. Never drags a discussion forever, and if there's a fight he settles down it inmediatly. His attitude as a poster deserves all the respect, he's a credit for this forum.

FFS do not comment about the lenght of his posts. We complain about text speak, we complain about lazy copy and pasting, and then there's a poster who bothers to explain his point in a good english, and takes the time for it, and instead of being grateful we make jokes about it. At the end we'll make him post less and that will be bad for the forum. I saw a similar case in Red37's case and it really píssed me off when he started to post much less.

It's unfair Bigmick receives comments like that, especially if we consider many of his posts are proper answers when he's quoted or rebated an opinion. Again, he bothers to answer in good manners and we should appreciate it.

Nobody should expect to be read by others carefully -- I don't, there are too many posters to read. But nobody asks you to read what you find boring. There's not a rule about boring posts, quite simply because if you find something boring then you simply can skip it or ignore it. Let's respect a bit the posters that take care of their posts and are respectful with the rules, even if we disagree wholeheartedly (as I do about Rafa and rotation).

I agree Sabre, well said mate. Bigmick is still probably the best poster on here and always worth reading. I don't always agree with his views but he always makes me think and certainly helped change my view on rotation (I was a half-hearted pro now I am a half-hearted anti    )

Top poster and a decent bloke too.

Bamaga man wrote:

BTW, I actually like Arbeloa but don't think he's quite as amazing as some have made out.  Conversely, I don't "adore" Aurelio--I just know he's not as rubbish as some contend

You know alot Bob, so instead of sitting on the fence and listening to what others think, and considerring you "know" this and that tell us what you think of Arbeloa and Aurelio oh magnificent one.

Ok Bamaga, enough of -licking and peace, now one of this statements that wind you up big time and I've restrained a bit as of late:

If at some point of the season you've thought that Arbeloa is a better player than Aurelio (and I know you have), then you really should start watching ice hockey or any other sport.

Arbeloa is a decent-good player that has been performing very well, giving his best constantly, and for that he has to be creditted. Aurelio is a far better player, who was performed less constantly especially due to injuries.

If you have doubts about it, look who'll play Rafa in the remaining real important matches of this season, like in the semifinals or the finals we reach. That doesn't mean Arbeloa has done something wrong, nor that he doesn't train well, it means the better player once recovered  his best form, is first in the pecking order of the team. In fact, Rafa did explain this diplomatically when Arbeloa was the only player that wasn't rotated at the start of the season. He wasn't rotated because he was doing well, but also because the best option for the position was not fit.

Especifically, Arbeloa can't dream to have a touch of the ball Aurelio has, there are less left footed than right footed, so left footed quality players are appreciated in top leagues. Aurelio is one. He's not only able to pass accurately, but also apply a lot of strengh to the ball. Without the ball, Aurelio is not the best, but he's not inferior to Arbeloa in that aspect neither.

Aurelio hasn't been spot on in the free kicks like he was in Spain, to be honest, but I suspect that if he had been, he would have been much more appreciated than he has. A definitely good enough LB for this calibre of club.

Leonmc0708 wrote:

bigmick wrote:I'd love to have a bevvie with you as well Lynds, so there you go

I have - the word carnage springs to mind.

Hey Tiny Im not that bad