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[Rush Job]

This priority of league versus Champions League one is interesting. Either Rafa tries his best in the Prem but has had absolutely zero success in it, or the reason he has had absolutely zero success is because he's not trying in it.

Either way round and I and everybody else I would guess have no way of knowing his inner thoughts, I would quite like a bit of success in it if thats OK. So if he's not been trying in the Premiership before, next season is a good place to start. If he has been trying but is infact just useless in the Premiership, then stop being useless as from next season. There, sorted

Im sorry but thats just nonsence, is Rafa trying in the league?? Again sorry but wtf do you think he does before a league game? just feck around not really preparing and i suppose he tells the players not to run around too much because theres a CL game coming up, and then during the game does he just sit there picking his f*ckin nose and thinking about his holidays? cus it doesnt look that way to me, offen it seems he`s the only one who does give a toss if anything its the feckin players not trying the same not him.And i wonder why, maybe because THEY rate the CL higher, acturly theres no maybe about it they f*ckin admit it. Torres signed for us to win it, Gerrard admits its hard getting up for an away day at Wigan after a " great european night " so how about we get rid of them while we are at it bring in Kevin Davies and feckin Scot Parker because their up for Wigan.
You take every chance you get to put Rafa down, to call him mad to have a go at his "dodgy" decissions, you say we are in the league well are we because i dont think so, fair enough we havent yet put in a challenge but can you not see bit by bit he`s putting together a side that will a young side at that and maybe its taking him a little longer because he keeps having to do it with limited funds and a CEO who cant dot a few I`s and cross a couple of T`s not to mention the power struggles ffs, Jesus i`d like to see someone do a better job with what he`s having to put up with right now, anyone else would of walked a long time ago.
But ok we should be doing a little better in the league and im sure given the chance it`ll come because Rafa is a winner and right now you can see this in the CL where his/our record is magnifisent so what do you come out with a load of about the comp being weak and basicly saying we should be winning it every other year, oh yer but thats not having a go or nothing your just pointing it out, like your "cards on the table" before the Arsenal game whitch had we been beaten you would have been giving it all the b*llocks about "styling" but what happened oh yes we won 4 2, so where was the big boring post about how Rafa got it spot on and you got it so wrong??
You may not have noticed but there a f*ckin crisis going on so how about a bit of support how about saying how well the manager has done this season considering all that has gone on, or are you to busy trying to find new angles to have a go from. Oh i forgot your not having a pop, whatever.

I agree totally wth your points about Rafa and the team etc but its also a pleasure to have a debate with Mick regardless of his side of the debate

Even if in the last twelve months I have read him more than any Gabriel Garcia Marquez book

Me to mate thats the problem.

[god_bless_john_houlding]

The points made about the difference in success in the CL and Premier league are all correct to my mind.

However the one anomaly I see is Anfield. In the league our home form has not always been the best, or at least not good enough to compete with Manure ect. In the CL the Anfield crowd creates an atmosphere that is basically scaring the other teams off the pitch but we do not always see that in the league.

Why?

easy...the majority of people involved with this club from top to bottom care more about europe. It makes sense really, I mean what would you rather see...Inter Milan or Derby County?

For me they are just as important and should be treated as so, but since our fanbase is well to put it bluntly gloryhunting, the european nights get more of a atmosphere. I don't exclude scousers from that either, because there's many a scouse fan who couldn't tell you who John Houlding is, or what year we were founded in or anything. A lot of fans now the names of the past i.e. shankly, paisley so on, but don't know the history that goes with it. So the fans see the European Cup as the crowning glory of football and get up for that a lot more than your average premiership game. It's a shame it happens, but it does.

[Rush Job]

The points made about the difference in success in the CL and Premier league are all correct to my mind.

However the one anomaly I see is Anfield. In the league our home form has not always been the best, or at least not good enough to compete with Manure ect. In the CL the Anfield crowd creates an atmosphere that is basically scaring the other teams off the pitch but we do not always see that in the league.

Why?

easy...the majority of people involved with this club from top to bottom care more about europe. It makes sense really, I mean what would you rather see...Inter Milan or Derby County?

For me they are just as important and should be treated as so, but since our fanbase is well to put it bluntly gloryhunting, the european nights get more of a atmosphere. I don't exclude scousers from that either, because there's many a scouse fan who couldn't tell you who John Houlding is, or what year we were founded in or anything. A lot of fans now the names of the past i.e. shankly, paisley so on, but don't know the history that goes with it. So the fans see the European Cup as the crowning glory of football and get up for that a lot more than your average premiership game. It's a shame it happens, but it does.

Come on John thats not completely true now, its BECAUSE of the history of the club that the european nights are so great imho.

[god_bless_john_houlding]

The points made about the difference in success in the CL and Premier league are all correct to my mind.

However the one anomaly I see is Anfield. In the league our home form has not always been the best, or at least not good enough to compete with Manure ect. In the CL the Anfield crowd creates an atmosphere that is basically scaring the other teams off the pitch but we do not always see that in the league.

Why?

easy...the majority of people involved with this club from top to bottom care more about europe. It makes sense really, I mean what would you rather see...Inter Milan or Derby County?

For me they are just as important and should be treated as so, but since our fanbase is well to put it bluntly gloryhunting, the european nights get more of a atmosphere. I don't exclude scousers from that either, because there's many a scouse fan who couldn't tell you who John Houlding is, or what year we were founded in or anything. A lot of fans now the names of the past i.e. shankly, paisley so on, but don't know the history that goes with it. So the fans see the European Cup as the crowning glory of football and get up for that a lot more than your average premiership game. It's a shame it happens, but it does.

Come on John thats not completely true now, its BECAUSE of the history of the club that the european nights are so great imho.

well don't 18 league titles (most in history) make the league so special?
well don't 7 league cups (most in history) make the league cup so special?

We have history and tradition in every competition and the fans seem to be able to get up for Toulouse but not for example Wigan, who IMO are probably of similar quality.

For me, a regualar match goer, I treat every game with the same importance. It was just as important for me to beat Barnsley as it was to beat Inter. Obviously wasn't to some fans as the noise levels were nowhere near similar, nor were the two sides who were put out.

Europe takes priority at this club, more than anything domestic IMO. I know the timing of the events make it easier, quater to eight on a wednesday night, with the floodlights on and the night sky grips you more than three o'clock on a saturday, but even then I think if it was the other way round, europe would take priority.

[Rush Job]

The points made about the difference in success in the CL and Premier league are all correct to my mind.

However the one anomaly I see is Anfield. In the league our home form has not always been the best, or at least not good enough to compete with Manure ect. In the CL the Anfield crowd creates an atmosphere that is basically scaring the other teams off the pitch but we do not always see that in the league.

Why?

easy...the majority of people involved with this club from top to bottom care more about europe. It makes sense really, I mean what would you rather see...Inter Milan or Derby County?

For me they are just as important and should be treated as so, but since our fanbase is well to put it bluntly gloryhunting, the european nights get more of a atmosphere. I don't exclude scousers from that either, because there's many a scouse fan who couldn't tell you who John Houlding is, or what year we were founded in or anything. A lot of fans now the names of the past i.e. shankly, paisley so on, but don't know the history that goes with it. So the fans see the European Cup as the crowning glory of football and get up for that a lot more than your average premiership game. It's a shame it happens, but it does.

Come on John thats not completely true now, its BECAUSE of the history of the club that the european nights are so great imho.

well don't 18 league titles (most in history) make the league so special?
well don't 7 league cups (most in history) make the league cup so special?

We have history and tradition in every competition and the fans seem to be able to get up for Toulouse but not for example Wigan, who IMO are probably of similar quality.

For me, a regualar match goer, I treat every game with the same importance. It was just as important for me to beat Barnsley as it was to beat Inter. Obviously wasn't to some fans as the noise levels were nowhere near similar, nor were the two sides who were put out.

Europe takes priority at this club, more than anything domestic IMO. I know the timing of the events make it easier, quater to eight on a wednesday night, with the floodlights on and the night sky grips you more than three o'clock on a saturday, but even then I think if it was the other way round, europe would take priority.

I dont think youve completely understood. Surely you remember the great european nights of old? the buzz going though the kop, and i bet you have a few great storys to tell and have been told, fans go now wanting to relive/recreate those nights and maybe make their dent in the history and help the team who are offen against odds. The bigger the stage the better the atmosphere, dont you get that tingle getting to the ground on a big CL night? bet you do.
I agree with you though i wish the atmos was better in the average prem game, if you remember i said to you early in the season that i thought the general atmos/vibe/noise level was getting worse almost by the season, i thought you didnt agree though, could be wrong.

[god_bless_john_houlding]

The points made about the difference in success in the CL and Premier league are all correct to my mind.

However the one anomaly I see is Anfield. In the league our home form has not always been the best, or at least not good enough to compete with Manure ect. In the CL the Anfield crowd creates an atmosphere that is basically scaring the other teams off the pitch but we do not always see that in the league.

Why?

easy...the majority of people involved with this club from top to bottom care more about europe. It makes sense really, I mean what would you rather see...Inter Milan or Derby County?

For me they are just as important and should be treated as so, but since our fanbase is well to put it bluntly gloryhunting, the european nights get more of a atmosphere. I don't exclude scousers from that either, because there's many a scouse fan who couldn't tell you who John Houlding is, or what year we were founded in or anything. A lot of fans now the names of the past i.e. shankly, paisley so on, but don't know the history that goes with it. So the fans see the European Cup as the crowning glory of football and get up for that a lot more than your average premiership game. It's a shame it happens, but it does.

Come on John thats not completely true now, its BECAUSE of the history of the club that the european nights are so great imho.

well don't 18 league titles (most in history) make the league so special?
well don't 7 league cups (most in history) make the league cup so special?

We have history and tradition in every competition and the fans seem to be able to get up for Toulouse but not for example Wigan, who IMO are probably of similar quality.

For me, a regualar match goer, I treat every game with the same importance. It was just as important for me to beat Barnsley as it was to beat Inter. Obviously wasn't to some fans as the noise levels were nowhere near similar, nor were the two sides who were put out.

Europe takes priority at this club, more than anything domestic IMO. I know the timing of the events make it easier, quater to eight on a wednesday night, with the floodlights on and the night sky grips you more than three o'clock on a saturday, but even then I think if it was the other way round, europe would take priority.

I dont think youve completely understood. Surely you remember the great european nights of old? the buzz going though the kop, and i bet you have a few great storys to tell and have been told, fans go now wanting to relive/recreate those nights and maybe make their dent in the history and help the team who are offen against odds. The bigger the stage the better the atmosphere, dont you get that tingle getting to the ground on a big CL night? bet you do.
I agree with you though i wish the atmos was better in the average prem game, if you remember i said to you early in the season that i thought the general atmos/vibe/noise level was getting worse almost by the season, i thought you didnt agree though, could be wrong.

yes I get that tingle, yes I remember the nights of old and yes I admit the noise is getting worse by season, if I did disagree I was either on a wind up (more than likely with my track record) or I've misunderstood.

But unlike most fans, I get the tingle for Wigan as well, I remember the league games of old as well and I certainly try and get up for the average league game.

I think we've gone a bit off topic slightly, but I think we as fans should also be assessed on how we've progressed under Benitez. After our champions league victory in 05 I heard "Liverpool have got an extra 16 million fans" those same fans who are now supporting AC Milan and were supporting Barcelona this time last year and will be back to Liverpool after this year's champions league. Has the noise decreased from Houllier's days? Have the fans become less interested year by year? Is it more muted because they know it's another year gone by without a league title? I think we're just as vocal now as we were under Houllier, obviously not like we were in the 60s, 70s, 80s but lets not forget the Kop was holding thousands more than it is now back then as well. I don't think fans are any less interested, in fact I think fans are regaining their belief under Benitez and finally I think plenty of fans (not me) have accepted before the start of the season that the league won't be making it's way to Anfield. I won't ever accept that, but I think more and more fans are and that's why the noise isn't as loud for the average premiership game. They feel it's pointless if you like, whereas in europe we are again the most feared side and the fans sense that.

[Rush Job]

The points made about the difference in success in the CL and Premier league are all correct to my mind.

However the one anomaly I see is Anfield. In the league our home form has not always been the best, or at least not good enough to compete with Manure ect. In the CL the Anfield crowd creates an atmosphere that is basically scaring the other teams off the pitch but we do not always see that in the league.

Why?

easy...the majority of people involved with this club from top to bottom care more about europe. It makes sense really, I mean what would you rather see...Inter Milan or Derby County?

For me they are just as important and should be treated as so, but since our fanbase is well to put it bluntly gloryhunting, the european nights get more of a atmosphere. I don't exclude scousers from that either, because there's many a scouse fan who couldn't tell you who John Houlding is, or what year we were founded in or anything. A lot of fans now the names of the past i.e. shankly, paisley so on, but don't know the history that goes with it. So the fans see the European Cup as the crowning glory of football and get up for that a lot more than your average premiership game. It's a shame it happens, but it does.

Come on John thats not completely true now, its BECAUSE of the history of the club that the european nights are so great imho.

well don't 18 league titles (most in history) make the league so special?
well don't 7 league cups (most in history) make the league cup so special?

We have history and tradition in every competition and the fans seem to be able to get up for Toulouse but not for example Wigan, who IMO are probably of similar quality.

For me, a regualar match goer, I treat every game with the same importance. It was just as important for me to beat Barnsley as it was to beat Inter. Obviously wasn't to some fans as the noise levels were nowhere near similar, nor were the two sides who were put out.

Europe takes priority at this club, more than anything domestic IMO. I know the timing of the events make it easier, quater to eight on a wednesday night, with the floodlights on and the night sky grips you more than three o'clock on a saturday, but even then I think if it was the other way round, europe would take priority.

I dont think youve completely understood. Surely you remember the great european nights of old? the buzz going though the kop, and i bet you have a few great storys to tell and have been told, fans go now wanting to relive/recreate those nights and maybe make their dent in the history and help the team who are offen against odds. The bigger the stage the better the atmosphere, dont you get that tingle getting to the ground on a big CL night? bet you do.
I agree with you though i wish the atmos was better in the average prem game, if you remember i said to you early in the season that i thought the general atmos/vibe/noise level was getting worse almost by the season, i thought you didnt agree though, could be wrong.

yes I get that tingle, yes I remember the nights of old and yes I admit the noise is getting worse by season, if I did disagree I was either on a wind up (more than likely with my track record) or I've misunderstood.

But unlike most fans, I get the tingle for Wigan as well, I remember the league games of old as well and I certainly try and get up for the average league game.

I think we've gone a bit off topic slightly, but I think we as fans should also be assessed on how we've progressed under Benitez. After our champions league victory in 05 I heard "Liverpool have got an extra 16 million fans" those same fans who are now supporting AC Milan and were supporting Barcelona this time last year and will be back to Liverpool after this year's champions league. Has the noise decreased from Houllier's days? Have the fans become less interested year by year? Is it more muted because they know it's another year gone by without a league title? I think we're just as vocal now as we were under Houllier, obviously not like we were in the 60s, 70s, 80s but lets not forget the Kop was holding thousands more than it is now back then as well. I don't think fans are any less interested, in fact I think fans are regaining their belief under Benitez and finally I think plenty of fans (not me) have accepted before the start of the season that the league won't be making it's way to Anfield. I won't ever accept that, but I think more and more fans are and that's why the noise isn't as loud for the average premiership game. They feel it's pointless if you like, whereas in europe we are again the most feared side and the fans sense that.

Again im more with you than agaist you there so i`ll leave it be. 

[bigmick]

This priority of league versus Champions League one is interesting. Either Rafa tries his best in the Prem but has had absolutely zero success in it, or the reason he has had absolutely zero success is because he's not trying in it.

Either way round and I and everybody else I would guess have no way of knowing his inner thoughts, I would quite like a bit of success in it if thats OK. So if he's not been trying in the Premiership before, next season is a good place to start. If he has been trying but is infact just useless in the Premiership, then stop being useless as from next season. There, sorted

Im sorry but thats just nonsence, is Rafa trying in the league?? Again sorry but wtf do you think he does before a league game? just feck around not really preparing and i suppose he tells the players not to run around too much because theres a CL game coming up, and then during the game does he just sit there picking his f*ckin nose and thinking about his holidays? cus it doesnt look that way to me, offen it seems he`s the only one who does give a toss if anything its the feckin players not trying the same not him.And i wonder why, maybe because THEY rate the CL higher, acturly theres no maybe about it they f*ckin admit it. Torres signed for us to win it, Gerrard admits its hard getting up for an away day at Wigan after a " great european night " so how about we get rid of them while we are at it bring in Kevin Davies and feckin Scot Parker because their up for Wigan.
You take every chance you get to put Rafa down, to call him mad to have a go at his "dodgy" decissions, you say we are in the league well are we because i dont think so, fair enough we havent yet put in a challenge but can you not see bit by bit he`s putting together a side that will a young side at that and maybe its taking him a little longer because he keeps having to do it with limited funds and a CEO who cant dot a few I`s and cross a couple of T`s not to mention the power struggles ffs, Jesus i`d like to see someone do a better job with what he`s having to put up with right now, anyone else would of walked a long time ago.
But ok we should be doing a little better in the league and im sure given the chance it`ll come because Rafa is a winner and right now you can see this in the CL where his/our record is magnifisent so what do you come out with a load of about the comp being weak and basicly saying we should be winning it every other year, oh yer but thats not having a go or nothing your just pointing it out, like your "cards on the table" before the Arsenal game whitch had we been beaten you would have been giving it all the b*llocks about "styling" but what happened oh yes we won 4 2, so where was the big boring post about how Rafa got it spot on and you got it so wrong??
You may not have noticed but there a f*ckin crisis going on so how about a bit of support how about saying how well the manager has done this season considering all that has gone on, or are you to busy trying to find new angles to have a go from. Oh i forgot your not having a pop, whatever.

Well I guess if anybody starts a "Is Mick a c..." poll I'll put you down as a "don't know" then   


I'll have a quick go at sifting through the abuse (which is a bit odd in answer to clearly light hearted and mercifully short contribution from me), here goes....


Firstly the "is Rafa trying to win the league" question. My "is he trying his best" line wasn't meant to be taken too literally, I was talking about the level of priority he places on the competition, whether we rest players in order for them to be fit and firing for the Champions league etc.  I wasn't being too literal though, hence the little smiley thing.

The next bit about "WTF do I think he does before a game" etc etc turns into a bit of a rant where you seem to conclude that the players don't try hard enough, as they find it hard to "get up" for games. infact, they "feckin admit it". "Torres signed to win the Champions League, Gerrard admits it hard getting up for the smaller games" so we should get rid of them and bring others in who would be bang up for it. Hmmmm. I know it's a comment doused in sarcasm but as I've never suggested getting rid of any of the players you mentioned, nor signing any of the players you've mentioned it kind of misses the mark a bit.

Then "I take every chance to put rafa down".  To call him "mad" (I'm absolutely certain I've never said that) to have a go at his "dodgy" decisions, once again I think you might have got me mixed up with someone else but I have been very critical of the manager in the past I'll admit that.

Then you go on about me thinking we are "sh!te" in the league, but you don't think we are (thats good then) and "can't I see" that bit by bit, little by little, inch by inch etc etc. It's taking a little longer than expected because of "limited funds" and dodgy backroom dealings, and anyone else would "walked a long time ago".

But "it'll come" as our record in the Cahmpions League shows the manager is is "a winner' and I've been talking a load of about the competition being weak, and "basically saying we should be winning it every other year " .

I love this one "oh yer but that's not having a go or nothing your just pointing it out, like your "cards on the table" before the Arsenal game" (I never actually posted in that thread, and it came out after the Arsenal game). "So where was the big boring post about Rafa getting it right and you getting it wrong?" Feck me   

I "may not of noticed there's a f*ckin crisis going on".



Look fella, some of what you say I actually agree with. I don't do internet spats though, so suffice to say most of what you say I don't agree with, I'm sure that doesn't overly bother you though so it's all good. I have noticed a few angsty posts from you recently where it appears you've been itching to get a few things off your chest towards me and I guess you've done it now so fair play. It was a strange choice of post to get all wound up about, and lets face it there are plenty of opportunities to pick longer and more annoying posts by me than that one but there you go.

No harm done though, you can go to bed thinking "I told that c... good and proper" and I can go eat me cheese sarny and forget all about it 

[Rush Job]

This priority of league versus Champions League one is interesting. Either Rafa tries his best in the Prem but has had absolutely zero success in it, or the reason he has had absolutely zero success is because he's not trying in it.

Either way round and I and everybody else I would guess have no way of knowing his inner thoughts, I would quite like a bit of success in it if thats OK. So if he's not been trying in the Premiership before, next season is a good place to start. If he has been trying but is infact just useless in the Premiership, then stop being useless as from next season. There, sorted

Im sorry but thats just nonsence, is Rafa trying in the league?? Again sorry but wtf do you think he does before a league game? just feck around not really preparing and i suppose he tells the players not to run around too much because theres a CL game coming up, and then during the game does he just sit there picking his f*ckin nose and thinking about his holidays? cus it doesnt look that way to me, offen it seems he`s the only one who does give a toss if anything its the feckin players not trying the same not him.And i wonder why, maybe because THEY rate the CL higher, acturly theres no maybe about it they f*ckin admit it. Torres signed for us to win it, Gerrard admits its hard getting up for an away day at Wigan after a " great european night " so how about we get rid of them while we are at it bring in Kevin Davies and feckin Scot Parker because their up for Wigan.
You take every chance you get to put Rafa down, to call him mad to have a go at his "dodgy" decissions, you say we are in the league well are we because i dont think so, fair enough we havent yet put in a challenge but can you not see bit by bit he`s putting together a side that will a young side at that and maybe its taking him a little longer because he keeps having to do it with limited funds and a CEO who cant dot a few I`s and cross a couple of T`s not to mention the power struggles ffs, Jesus i`d like to see someone do a better job with what he`s having to put up with right now, anyone else would of walked a long time ago.
But ok we should be doing a little better in the league and im sure given the chance it`ll come because Rafa is a winner and right now you can see this in the CL where his/our record is magnifisent so what do you come out with a load of about the comp being weak and basicly saying we should be winning it every other year, oh yer but thats not having a go or nothing your just pointing it out, like your "cards on the table" before the Arsenal game whitch had we been beaten you would have been giving it all the b*llocks about "styling" but what happened oh yes we won 4 2, so where was the big boring post about how Rafa got it spot on and you got it so wrong??
You may not have noticed but there a f*ckin crisis going on so how about a bit of support how about saying how well the manager has done this season considering all that has gone on, or are you to busy trying to find new angles to have a go from. Oh i forgot your not having a pop, whatever.

Well I guess if anybody starts a "Is Mick a c..." poll I'll put you down as a "don't know" then   


I'll have a quick go at sifting through the abuse (which is a bit odd in answer to clearly light hearted and mercifully short contribution from me), here goes....


Firstly the "is Rafa trying to win the league" question. My "is he trying his best" line wasn't meant to be taken too literally, I was talking about the level of priority he places on the competition, whether we rest players in order for them to be fit and firing for the Champions league etc.  I wasn't being too literal though, hence the little smiley thing.

The next bit about "WTF do I think he does before a game" etc etc turns into a bit of a rant where you seem to conclude that the players don't try hard enough, as they find it hard to "get up" for games. infact, they "feckin admit it". "Torres signed to win the Champions League, Gerrard admits it hard getting up for the smaller games" so we should get rid of them and bring others in who would be bang up for it. Hmmmm. I know it's a comment doused in sarcasm but as I've never suggested getting rid of any of the players you mentioned, nor signing any of the players you've mentioned it kind of misses the mark a bit.

Then "I take every chance to put rafa down".  To call him "mad" (I'm absolutely certain I've never said that) to have a go at his "dodgy" decisions, once again I think you might have got me mixed up with someone else but I have been very critical of the manager in the past I'll admit that.

Then you go on about me thinking we are "sh!te" in the league, but you don't think we are (thats good then) and "can't I see" that bit by bit, little by little, inch by inch etc etc. It's taking a little longer than expected because of "limited funds" and dodgy backroom dealings, and anyone else would "walked a long time ago".

But "it'll come" as our record in the Cahmpions League shows the manager is is "a winner' and I've been talking a load of about the competition being weak, and "basically saying we should be winning it every other year " .

I love this one "oh yer but that's not having a go or nothing your just pointing it out, like your "cards on the table" before the Arsenal game" (I never actually posted in that thread, and it came out after the Arsenal game). "So where was the big boring post about Rafa getting it right and you getting it wrong?" Feck me   

I "may not of noticed there's a f*ckin crisis going on".



Look fella, some of what you say I actually agree with. I don't do internet spats though, so suffice to say most of what you say I don't agree with, I'm sure that doesn't overly bother you though so it's all good. I have noticed a few angsty posts from you recently where it appears you've been itching to get a few things off your chest towards me and I guess you've done it now so fair play. It was a strange choice of post to get all wound up about, and lets face it there are plenty of opportunities to pick longer and more annoying posts by me than that one but there you go.

No harm done though, you can go to bed thinking "I told that c... good and proper" and I can go eat me cheese sarny and forget all about it 

I know what i posted you dont have to quote it and repeat it all back to me.
Angsty posts?? Itching to get a few things off my chest towards you??? You think alot of yer self mate considering ive said nothing to you or indeed quoted you since your "cards on the table i think Rafa`s got it wrong" on the night of the arsenal game to whitch i replyed - you say that quite a bit though.
Abuse?? Wise up man and dont be so smarmy as to quote and then quote again, trying to belittle everyline.

[bigmick]

Nuff said fella, nae bother from me.

[Thingy]

Shortest post ive ever seen from you Mick

[bigmick]

Sometimes you've just to realise that anything you say isn't going to make any difference. I don't think there's anything me and the fella could say which'd smooth things over/change the other persons mind either in a football sense or indeed any other sense. He's got his views, I've got mine and I'm cool with that. Sometimes you just don't hit it off which is all good by me.

[Rush Job]

Sometimes you've just to realise that anything you say isn't going to make any difference. I don't think there's anything me and the fella could say which'd smooth things over/change the other persons mind either in a football sense or indeed any other sense. He's got his views, I've got mine and I'm cool with that. Sometimes you just don't hit it off which is all good by me.

Mate i honestly dont know where you get this ive something agaist you from, as you can see i dont agree with everything you say but most is reasoned, its just this whole crisis is getting to me we should enjoy these times of european success while they last instead of bemoaning what weve missed out on. Im big enough to say sorry for anything "abusive" but im still unsure about that tbo.

[bigmick]

No need to apologise mate, I swear to you I haven't got a single hard feeling towards you in my body. Believe me I enjoy the Eurpoean triumph's as much as anyone else (well anyone else who has to watch the fecker while he's eating his breakfast anyway, it ain't the same TBPH) and as the Mancs are catching us hand over fist in the League, God knows we need something over them. Anyone who gets wound up by my posts is Ok by me, they wind me up as well when I read em back sometimes 

[Rush Job]

No need to apologise mate, I swear to you I haven't got a single hard feeling towards you in my body. Believe me I enjoy the Eurpoean triumph's as much as anyone else (well anyone else who has to watch the fecker while he's eating his breakfast anyway, it ain't the same TBPH) and as the Mancs are catching us hand over fist in the League, God knows we need something over them. Anyone who gets wound up by my posts is Ok by me, they wind me up as well when I read em back sometimes 

Nice one no probs.