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by **maguskwt** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:48 am

as much as I like Torres, like others have said, Ronaldo will most probably get it and he deserves it after a season like this as well. He's scored 37 goals last season as well and I thought the only reason Kaka won it is because he won the CL. Having said that if the mancs somehow fail to win the league and do not win the CL as well and we win it, then Torres has a chance. Torres' achievement is outstanding as a debut season but Fifa don't really care about that, they care about what trophies the team wins and then how the individual contributed.

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:55 am

If he doesn't win it, then he deserves to be second. I would be really :censored:

if Messi got in front of him.

by **pokster** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:47 am

Gerrad didnt win it when we won the Champions League in 2005. I don't think they will look at Torres.

by **Torres1983** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:14 am

Seano Kop wrote:If Liverpool manage to win the Champions League, do you, like me, think Fernando Torres would be the odds-on favourite to win the prestigous World Footballer Of The Year Award?

Ronaldo, is the other obvious candidate.... however.....

Nando has had to adapt to a new league, which Ronaldo has been playing in for a while now. El Nino has still managed over 30 goals (hasn't yet, but is only 1 away) and has shown to the world who he is, and that he's here with a purpose.

He's got my money on him. Yours?

Dont get me me wrong I love torres and think he's great but I think ronaldo will win it this year.

Every one says torres is better than ronaldo! Well I have to dissagree. Ronaldo is a midfielder and torres Is a striker. Ron has scored a lot more goals than torres!

I HATE SCUM but I'm affraid I have to admit that I think ronaldo Is superb.

So too is TORRES!!!

Come on the pool. Scum In moscow then we will stuff em good and propper!

If Liverpool manage to win the Champions League, do you, like me, think Fernando Torres would be the odds-on favourite to win the prestigous World Footballer Of The Year Award?

Ronaldo, is the other obvious candidate.... however.....

Nando has had to adapt to a new league, which Ronaldo has been playing in for a while now. El Nino has still managed over 30 goals (hasn't yet, but is only 1 away) and has shown to the world who he is, and that he's here with a purpose.

He's got my money on him. Yours?

Dont get me me wrong I love torres and think he's great but I think ronaldo will win it this year.

Every one says torres is better than ronaldo! Well I have to dissagree. Ronaldo is a midfielder and torres Is a striker. Ron has scored a lot more goals than torres!

I HATE SCUM but I'm affraid I have to admit that I think ronaldo Is superb.

So too is TORRES!!!

Come on the pool. Scum In moscow then we will stuff em good and propper!

by **Ace Ventura** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:17 am

It will obviously be Ronaldo and deservedly so, his season has been ridiculous and like emerald said take him out of the team and they wouldnt of been the same team.

Torres has been absolutely fabulous also and if Ronaldo hadnt had such an amazing season he probably would of got player of the year, to settle in your first year in a different country with a total different style of football is a fabulous achievement and just shows the strength of character the lad has to go with the world class ability.

It will be Ronaldo, but i wouldnt swap Torres for any player in the world.

by **Thingy** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:46 am

30 goals in his first season, got to take your hat off to the lad. Today he didnt play too well, looked a bit tired but never gave up and got a well taken goal. Theres no better striker in world football right now. Keep up the fantastic work Nando. Long may it continue. Legend in the making. :bowdown

by **duk** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:29 am

20 of his league 22 league goals have been at anfield, im not sure how to read into to that (or even if it needs to be read into), anyone have any suggestions? has he played less games away or is it that the way we play away from home doesn't favour him?

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:53 am

duk wrote:20 of his league 22 league goals have been at anfield, im not sure how to read into to that (or even if it needs to be read into), anyone have any suggestions? has he played less games away or is it that the way we play away from home doesn't favour him?

I think it's just one of those flukey things. It's not as though he plays fewer away games and I don't think we play a significantly different game on the road than we do at home. It's just one of those stats that you notice but can't properly explain. The solution's clear though--hattricks at Fulham, Birmingham and Tottenham should even the balance.

by **duk** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:18 am

Bad Bob wrote:
duk wrote:20 of his league 22 league goals have been at anfield, im not sure how to read into to that (or even if it needs to be read into), anyone have any suggestions? has he played less games away or is it that the way we play away from home doesn't favour him?

I think it's just one of those flukey things. It's not as though he plays fewer away games and I don't think we play a significantly different game on the road than we do at home. It's just one of those stats that you notice but can't properly explain. The solution's clear though--hattricks at Fulham, Birmingham and Tottenham should even the balance.

Followed by Player of The Year

by **Toffeehater** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:38 am

30 goals in a season and his first one absolutely amazing , if we do go to the final , i think he can get 35 or maybe 36 goals , what's the most number of goals a striker or player has scored for us in a single season?

by **bigmick** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:53 am

It's a phenomenal effort from Torres, and he is clearly at least twice the player that most of us expected. I do think however that next season we are going to need to find alternative ways to score a goal as I would be astounded if he got anywhere near that next term. Teams will look at him, study him and work out not just ways to defend against him when he has it, but more specifically ways to stop him getting the ball in the first place.

Goals such as the one against Chelsea at the start of the season where he was left one on one facing goal in the penalty area will become largely a thing of the past as teams screen in front and make it hard to play him in, while goals such as the one against arsenal in the Champions League will become much harder as he will be faced up by the nearest midfield player should he pull it down with his back to goal when in the box.

This season with the new system and before, we have have had two central midfielders who don't score a goal. We've had a succession of right sided midfield players who don't score a goal, and for half a season a striker who doesn't score a goal as well. We have full backs who don't score a goal, and only our most senior centre half scores a goal out of our defenders. Gerrard and Torres apart, only Babel and Benayoun have chipped in here and there, and to be honest I'm unconvinced about the former and totally convinced the latter isn't good enough. Crouch has scored goals when he has played, but it appears rafa rates him only marginally more than Owzat so he's hardly been the answer either.

Clearly we need to spend, because however far behind the eventual champions we finish (and it's looking like high teens) God knows how far we would have been adrift if either Gerrard or Torres had got themselves a Van Persie or an Eduardo type injury. My suspicion is rotation or not we wouldn't have been going to Old Trafford five or six games from the end of the season still in with a chance of the title but I suppose that's another story. We definately need to aquire at the very least wide midfielders/strikers who provide some sort of goal threat and attacking menace, and in all probability a fullback who can chip in as well.

All that said though, Torres deserves nothing but credit for his first term at Liverpool. Unlike John I think he is a better player than Owen was at his best, and probably the equal of Fowler although very different in style. He would have some way to go in my eyes at least, to get to the hieghts Rush achieved, but the climb is not beyond him if he continues to develop. I should also mention Aldridge, who although not being the equal of the previously mentioned players, had the heart of a lion and love for the club whichy if Torres continues to aquire, will stand him in good stead to maximise the potential of his talent.

by **Seano Kop** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:43 am

40 goals for the season - his first in England and surely he can get it. That requires 10 goals in his next 6, hopefully 7 games. 37 by Champions League Final night - Then a hat trick vs Man U while Mash shuts down Ronaldo completely. That will give it to Torres!!

by **RedBlood** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:44 am

i fancy him to hit 35 but 40 is pushing it, but hey i hope your right mate

by **babu** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:57 am

Congratulations Fernando Torres!

by **Owzat** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:57 am

Bad Bob wrote:
duk wrote:20 of his league 22 league goals have been at anfield, im not sure how to read into to that (or even if it needs to be read into), anyone have any suggestions? has he played less games away or is it that the way we play away from home doesn't favour him?

I think it's just one of those flukey things. It's not as though he plays fewer away games and I don't think we play a significantly different game on the road than we do at home. It's just one of those stats that you notice but can't properly explain. The solution's clear though--hattricks at Fulham, Birmingham and Tottenham should even the balance.

No stats on the subject for you to regurgitate? :laugh:

Is this not merely "common sense" as you mentioned before? :laugh:

Torres (Liverpool)

Appearances : 42
Minutes : 3,251
Goals : 30
Goals/App : 0.714
Mins/Goal : 108

Home : 23 goals in 23 appearances (1.000 goals/app)
Away : 7 goals in 19 appearances (0.368 goals/app)

He's still scoring more goals per appearance away from home than any of our other strikers are overall - even than Fowler in his second stint! It's not great, made to look bad by his free scoring at home. If his overall record were only a goal every other game, and you knock off the excess from his record at Anfield, then he'd have scored 14 in 23 appearances which would be 0.609 goals/app. That shows how many more goals he's scored (NINE) than what is widely considered the mark of a good striker. Yet still he has some critics.

Ronaldo WILL get POTY, even if Torres scores 20 goals in the rest of the season it may not make a difference. But it is only opinion so don't take it that Ronaldo has had the better season, he is always in the limelight and so these kind of awards will rarely get objective consideration. People will see Ronaldo's remarkable scoring record as the clincher, there's no way a striker with less goals will get the award. BUT then they rarely consider a CB who's been immense, maybe because there's no really accurate measure of that immensity (is that a word?) As such the award is a joke, like excluding a player who can't collect it in person taints any award.

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