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by **puroresu** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:30 pm

Sabre wrote:Bad Bob.

I think Wenger's view of squad management is anchored in the nineties, and I think Liverpool will end the season with more points than them, like yesteryear and the year before.

I also think that Wenger will never win the Champions league with that tactics.

And last, but not least

Seriously shocking comments by Lehmann if they are accurate but, perhaps, they highlight what can happen in the dressing room when players aren't getting games. Thoughts?

This is the smallest of the risks of not rotating. Asked for thoughts? those are mine. We'll check the facts at the end of the season, no need to discuss them.

so getting to the final beating Juve, and Real Madrid along the way and then only losing to barca cos they were tired after playing with 10 men isnt a sign of good tactics. I remember seeing arsenal go to Inter and beat them 5-1. Wenger's tactics can win the CL as his team plays amazing football and can beat anyone.

I think they will win the championship this year. They are getting better and better. Watched them tonight and again what a joy to watch. Pass and move, 1 and 2 touch passing, triangles and all at great pace. Seems to me wenger keeps it simple. Move into space and pass to a player in the same shirt!!!

by **LFC2007** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:34 pm

puroresu wrote:
Sabre wrote:Bad Bob.

I think Wenger's view of squad management is anchored in the nineties, and I think Liverpool will end the season with more points than them, like yesteryear and the year before.

I also think that Wenger will never win the Champions league with that tactics.

And last, but not least

Seriously shocking comments by Lehmann if they are accurate but, perhaps, they highlight what can happen in the dressing room when players aren't getting games. Thoughts?

This is the smallest of the risks of not rotating. Asked for thoughts? those are mine. We'll check the facts at the end of the season, no need to discuss them.

so getting to the final beating Juve, and Real Madrid along the way and then only losing to barca cos they were tired after playing with 10 men isnt a sign of good tactics. I remember seeing arsenal go to Inter and beat them 5-1. Wenger's tactics can win the CL as his team plays amazing football and can beat anyone.

I think they will win the championship this year. They are getting better and better. Watched them tonight and again what a joy to watch. Pass and move, 1 and 2 touch passing, triangles and all at great pace. Seems to me wenger keeps it simple. Move into space and pass to a player in the same shirt!!!

Sounds like you're an Arsenal supporter.

by **puroresu** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:37 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
puroresu wrote:
Sabre wrote:Bad Bob.

I think Wenger's view of squad management is anchored in the nineties, and I think Liverpool will end the season with more points than them, like yesteryear and the year before.

I also think that Wenger will never win the Champions league with that tactics.

And last, but not least

Seriously shocking comments by Lehmann if they are accurate but, perhaps, they highlight what can happen in the dressing room when players aren't getting games. Thoughts?

This is the smallest of the risks of not rotating. Asked for thoughts? those are mine. We'll check the facts at the end of the season, no need to discuss them.

so getting to the final beating Juve, and Real Madrid along the way and then only losing to barca cos they were tired after playing with 10 men isnt a sign of good tactics. I remember seeing arsenal go to Inter and beat them 5-1. Wenger's tactics can win the CL as his team plays amazing football and can beat anyone.

I think they will win the championship this year. They are getting better and better. Watched them tonight and again what a joy to watch. Pass and move, 1 and 2 touch passing, triangles and all at great pace. Seems to me wenger keeps it simple. Move into space and pass to a player in the same shirt!!!

Sounds like you're an Arsenal supporter.

no just a supporter of expansive open football. I enjoy watching arsenal play. Its pass and move (no long balls), I like the attitude of those who set teams out to score goals regardless of the opposition.

How can anyone not enjoy watching that type of football. Its how the game should be played.

by **Sabre** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:39 pm

Well, if we admit that reaching a final and losing it is something that has merit (which I agree), then Rafa has achieved that once, and another one has won the final.

But I was talking about winning the CL: is not something that is achieved every year. How many english teams have done so since 2000? well, it's not easy to win it.

If we apply comparisons between managers we apply the same criteria. But it seems that everything is nice in the other coaches. Reaching a final for Wenger talks about his level, but losing the final against Milan yesteryear, has been used as stick to Rafa. Different way of measurement, if that's the case.

I don't think, that those who believe in Wenger are clueless, in fact, he also knows more footie than me and everyone of us, and he's respectable manager. I'm just trusting a system, which BTW, was used by Rafa first, and is being used by Barcelona and Real Madrid NOW.

England is different? we'll talk in June.

Puroresu says

no just a supporter of expansive open football. I enjoy watching arsenal play. Its pass and move (no long balls), I like the attitude of those who set teams out to score goals regardless of the opposition.

How can anyone not enjoy watching that type of football. Its how the game should be played.

Yes well, it's also respectable to be fan of that kind of football. If you want the real deal about that kind of football look at Barcelona, not Arsenal, they're the real deal about that approach of football, which BTW, can lead to success if you have a superb squad. And by superb I'm talking about Barcelona, not Arsenal.

that approach of enjoying that kind of football is respectable puroresu, I'm of the school of though, that win first, showy football later.

by **LFC2007** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:39 pm

To Puroresu: I understand that, however, it just seems that whenever Arsenal or Arsene Wenger are mentioned you're the first to jump in and defend them.

by **puroresu** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:42 pm

LFC2007 wrote:To Puroresu: I understand that, however, it just seems that whenever Arsenal or Arsene Wenger are mentioned you're the first to jump in and defend them.

defend them from what exactly? Trust me I want to see us batter them on sunday.

In the summer I did think all this talk of arsenal on the way down and henry leaving means they will struggle was rubbish. I do give them credit when its due. Its not defending them just being honest.

by **puroresu** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:45 pm

Sabre wrote:Well, if we admit that reaching a final and losing it is something that has merit (which I agree), then Rafa has achieved that once, and another one has won the final.

But I was talking about winning the CL: is not something that is achieved every year. How many english teams have done so since 2000? well, it's not easy to win it.

If we apply comparisons between managers we apply the same criteria. But it seems that everything is nice in the other coaches. Reaching a final for Wenger talks about his level, but losing the final against Milan yesteryear, has been used as stick to Rafa. Different way of measurement, if that's the case.

I don't think, that those who believe in Wenger are clueless, in fact, he also knows more footie than me and everyone of us, and he's respectable manager. I'm just trusting a system, which BTW, was used by Rafa first, and is being used by Barcelona and Real Madrid NOW.

England is different? we'll talk in June.

I aint saying he should get credit for losing a final. Im saying its a bit of a stretch to suggest a side under wenger can not win the CL.

Surely its no different to someone suggesting Liverpool could never win a title with rafa's tactics.

by **Sabre** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:48 pm

Yes I agree it's a bit of a stretch and bold. But since that kind of statement has been said, I do my bets also

BTW, Reaching a final DOES deserve credit, not as much as winning it, but it deserves it IMHO.

by **LFC2007** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:49 pm

puroresu wrote:defend them from what exactly? Trust me I want to see us batter them on sunday.

Well, you sprung to the defence of Arsenal and Wenger when Sabre described how he thought Wenger's view of squad management was anchored in the nineties. I personally disagree with his view. You just seem to always spring to their defense, almost always raving about them. There's not a problem with it, I've just never seen you say anything positive about our club. I find it strange.

In the summer I did think all this talk of arsenal on the way down and henry leaving means they will struggle was rubbish. I do give them credit when its due. Its not defending them just being honest.

I agree, I've never written Arsenal off either, irrespective of Henry leaving.

by **LFC2007** » Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:53 pm

Sabre wrote:Yes well, it's also respectable to be fan of that kind of football. If you want the real deal about that kind of football look at Barcelona, not Arsenal, they're the real deal about that approach of football, which BTW, can lead to success if you have a superb squad. And by superb I'm talking about Barcelona, not Arsenal.

that approach of enjoying that kind of football is respectable puroresu, I'm of the school of though, that win first, showy football later.

Sabre, are you referring to European football, league football, or just generally referring to Barca's approach?

by **Sabre** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:04 am

I'm talking generally about "attractive" football, puroresu says it's a pleasure to watch Arsenal. My point is that I'll never envy too much any "attractive" approach and I don't think it's the key to success, because since I can remember, and that's Socrates and Zico's Brazil, I have seen many attractive approaches playing, fancying, and failing.

So when I'm told, oh look at how they play Barcelona, Arsenal, Brazil, Madrid and whatever, I'm not impressed. Italy in 1982, Greece in the euro, Chelsea, Valencia, and many "ugly" teams have succeeded. That's what counts for me, the approaches that make you win, not the approaches that generate more fans in Japan.

Anyhow, I've done by (bold) predictions, so have others, and we shall see.

by **LFC2007** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:18 am

Sabre wrote:I'm talking generally about "attractive" football, puroresu says it's a pleasure to watch Arsenal. My point is that I'll never envy too much any "attractive" approach and I don't think it's the key to success, because since I can remember, and that's Socrates and Zico's Brazil, I have seen many attractive approaches playing, fancying, and failing.

So when I'm told, oh look at how they play Barcelona, Arsenal, Brazil, Madrid and whatever, I'm not impressed. Italy in 1982, Greece in the euro, Chelsea, Valencia, and many "ugly" teams have succeeded. That's what counts for me, the approaches that make you win, not the approaches that generate more fans in Japan.

Anyhow, I've done by (bold) predictions, so have others, and we shall see.

I'd agree with that, although I thought your point was that Barcelona are attractive, but also efficient, whilst Arsenal are not.

I only agree with this view in as much as I think Arsenal in recent years (past three seasons) in the league haven't been particularly effective whilst trying to play attractive football. Barcelona have. In Europe, I don't think there's much to choose between the two. When Arsenal reached the final in 2006, they adopted a more conservative approach, an approach that could be said to have mirrored our approach to European games, particularly away from home. I certainly think ours and Rafa's approach to European fixtures has opened the eyes of other managers as to what is required in order to succeed in Europe, one of those being Wenger.

Arsenal may now be beginning to break the transition to playing attractive football whilst also being defensively astute and tactically aware, a difficult balance to achieve.

by **Kharhaz** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:19 am

Sabre wrote:I'm talking generally about "attractive" football, puroresu says it's a pleasure to watch Arsenal. My point is that I'll never envy too much any "attractive" approach and I don't think it's the key to success, because since I can remember, and that's Socrates and Zico's Brazil, I have seen many attractive approaches playing, fancying, and failing.

So when I'm told, oh look at how they play Barcelona, Arsenal, Brazil, Madrid and whatever, I'm not impressed. Italy in 1982, Greece in the euro, Chelsea, Valencia, and many "ugly" teams have succeeded. That's what counts for me, the approaches that make you win, not the approaches that generate more fans in Japan.

Anyhow, I've done by (bold) predictions, so have others, and we shall see.

I hate to say it but if your looking for classic success stories, attractive football, ugly football, dirty tactics, you have to look at Man Utd and you have to envy alex ferguson. Hes the one man in the premiership at present who has done it all. His attitude of absolutely hating to lose is spot on, and hes not afraid of selling his star players to make sure they win.

by **112-1077774096** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:24 am

arsenal play quality football and thats a fact, its attractive and a joy to watch.

liverpool fans have always been know for their fairness when crediting other teams performances but it seems on here if you do that you are a traitor or support the other team

by **LFC2007** » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:30 am

Some Liverpool fans on here never seem to compliment or support their own team, over a consistent period of time.

At the same time these fans also rave about other teams, it goes beyond due credit, it creates the impression that they are supporting another team.

Whilst Liverpool fans are well known for giving credit to other teams, they are also known for supporting their own team through thick and thin.

Although if you do that on this forum it seems you are labelled as being in the rose tinted spectacle brigade.

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