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Leonmc0708 wrote:

peewee wrote:i am just watching steve macmahon on tv now talking about it.

many points are being raised, a good point he made about gerrard and the players around him, its not just different players around him when they are rotated, its different types of players with different qualities and gerrard doesnt know from one week to the next who he will be paired with, the same as the forwards. he is of the opinion that the players are having trouble adapting to this.

he also says rotation is just basically a euphemism for being dropped and players are being dropped when they are playing well.

there is also talk that paco is being missed, he was the one who took training and knew which players were fit and which players were on form, and now he isn't there there is nobody advising rafa properly.

McMahon is well known for being a poor summariser and strangely biased against Liverpool recently.

Great player, but not quite an oracle.

Sabre wrote:

Leonmc0708 wrote:

peewee wrote:i am just watching steve macmahon on tv now talking about it.

many points are being raised, a good point he made about gerrard and the players around him, its not just different players around him when they are rotated, its different types of players with different qualities and gerrard doesnt know from one week to the next who he will be paired with, the same as the forwards. he is of the opinion that the players are having trouble adapting to this.

he also says rotation is just basically a euphemism for being dropped and players are being dropped when they are playing well.

there is also talk that paco is being missed, he was the one who took training and knew which players were fit and which players were on form, and now he isn't there there is nobody advising rafa properly.

McMahon is well known for being a poor summariser and strangely biased against Liverpool recently.

Great player, but not quite an oracle.

"Pundits" must love Rotation. THey're paid for giving opinions on football, and when they're asked a complicated question, instead of explaining that he comes from an injury, or saying that he still lacks a couple of games in his pocket this season to be at his best, or analysing what went wrong in the last matches, no, he can blame rotation. It's so easy! and the people believes it. Amazing.

He doesn't explain though how under the same mad regime of rotations and, some say, "out of position" he managed to score 23 goals.

Do not see the matches, do not review the videos, if you are a pundit, blame rotation. The TV will pay you for saying that, and many fans will buy it. (Not implying that all antirotationist buy this cráp nor they have their own opinions, just in case, I'm criticising this pundit).

Gerrard30391 wrote:Rotation Rotation Rotation!!!!! It's all !!
MAN U dont do it, chelsea don't, Arsenal, they use that for the mickey mouse cups, which is just enough for the first team players to get over fatigue.

Torres, Gerrard, Carragher, Reina, Riise, Mascherano, at the minute pennant
they should all play if theyre fit!!!!! add an on form fit dagger agger to that

Man U and Chelsea do rotate to some extent.

Out of the players you listed, only Mascherano doesn't seem to be 1st choice when fit. The others start the vast majority of games.

And as for players not knowing how each other play.... They get paid upto £100+k per week to train with each other 5 days a week for around 40 weeks a year. Is that not enough? I'm sure anyone who's played amateur football can work out how their team mates play within a few training sessions/matches. So why do professionals need 20+ games in a row?

peewee wrote:its a bit of a generalisation to sabre to say that pundits must love rotation, i think thats disrespectful to the good ones. i am referring to macmahon and his honesty, but you comments are basically saying you know what he says when you dont even watch him, you dont know what he says apart from my comments on the previous page, but all of a sudden you seem to think you know that he just blames rotation, in fact that couldnt be further from the truth, he is very honest, very forthright and backs up what he says, not just in relation to liverpool

and to be honest i would rather trust an ex pros opinions than someone who never goes the game and has no experience at the top level

Sabre wrote:

peewee wrote:its a bit of a generalisation to sabre to say that pundits must love rotation, i think thats disrespectful to the good ones. i am referring to macmahon and his honesty, but you comments are basically saying you know what he says when you dont even watch him, you dont know what he says apart from my comments on the previous page, but all of a sudden you seem to think you know that he just blames rotation, in fact that couldnt be further from the truth, he is very honest, very forthright and backs up what he says, not just in relation to liverpool

and to be honest i would rather trust an ex pros opinions than someone who never goes the game and has no experience at the top level

Yes I preffer to trust the man who is in the dressroom every day, know the players, and has won major titles than a pundit that has won. Has won... wait, what has he won as a manager?


And I don't know if you pay attention to other posters or just write your brilliant  insight  and the replies to those, but McMahon's words has been brought before to this boards (S@int did for instance), and I was not implying he's not honest, nor I know him thoroughly I simply disagree the point he makes on Gerrard and rotation. No more, no less.

No I didn't, I never get to see him Sabre   Hanson, Smith, even Lawrenson when I am desperate but I can't recall quoting Mcmahon. Possibly something he's written maybe ?

peewee wrote:

destro wrote:When Ferguson sends a letter praising Benitez’s tactical-nous to switch to a 3-1-4-2 with Didi Hamann man-marking Kaka so as to allow Liverpool to attack with freedom, then surely the ‘new tinkerman’ should be given his just dues as one of the top managers currently around,

we have already discussed this, hamman was introduced to the game as a result of the injury to finnan, as leon says maybe he would have been introduced anyway, but the fact that he had to be introduced to basically save us shows that the manager got the formation wrong to start with. if he was selected from the start then maybe we wouldn't have been 3 down at half time.

swings and roundabouts with this one guys, if as you say he was tactically brilliant bringing hamman on then i would say he was tactically inept for not fielding him to start with.

peewee wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:The Daily Mail:

Associated Newspapers Limited
Northcliffe House
2 Derry Street
London W8 5TT.

I'm sure they know more about it, being based so close to Anfield...

says the man in nottingham, when did that become a suburb of liverpool. Oh not only that but never even goes the game even though its less than a two hour drive.


sports journalist in london >>>>>>>>>>>>>> burger flipper in nottingham.  I know which one i would trust more



maybe i should buy the paper and promote him for talking sense