Liverpool FC Forum

by **mistyred** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:06 am

I think its more of a case of (when) not (If) we get taken over,
its just the way football is going im afraid

by **azriahmad** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:28 pm

It is very easy to see why "potential investors" who are having talks with Moores and Parry and are said to be "close" to a deal, but for us only to find out later that nothing materialises.

Liverpool FC have debts of some £70m to £80m, with some reports sayign that this figure is creeping up to near £100m (we can't be sure because we don't have access to the accounts of the club). Furthermore, a new stadium is needed, extimated to cost upwards of £180m, if we want to compete with other big clubs who either have such modern facilities or already have a large stadium capacity that their matchday revenue is way above ours.

Moores has 51% but wants to remain in control after this new money coms in and he wants to be paid to dilute his shareholding to below the present level and is asking for way too much money. This is the stumbling block.

If you were an investor, you'd want most of the money to go to the club as the club needs the money. Moores wants to have his cake and eat it at the same time...the solution is simple, he should compromise somewhere. For me, the club is paramount, and Moores should value the club at a more reasonable value.

by **vlady16.1** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:31 pm

the continued presence of gillet is troubling. he bought les canadiens and has done squat with them. they were the greatest franchise in north america winning more championships than the yankees--his ownership would be a disaster

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:46 pm

Kraft looked to be the best option but he's never seemed that keen ,maybe Dubai Holdings wouldnt be too bad. Somewhere for the lads to go for their holidays anyway.

by **vlady16.1** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:28 pm

the krafts would be the best option if the team was to be sold. from what i've read on this side, gillet can't raise enough so its probably dubai since they have mega bucks

by **adamnbarrett** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:09 pm

Moores could sell up at Liverpool before December
tribalfooball.com - November 20, 2006

Liverpool chairman David Moores could sell his controlling stake in the club before the end of the month.

The Daily Mail says Moores and chief executive Rick Parry will inform the board at a meeting on Thursday of the state of negotiations with a number of parties, led by Dubai International Capital, whose head Samari Ansari is a Liverpool fan.

George Gillett, owner of the Montreal Canadiens ice hockey club and formerly the Harlem Globetrotters basketball team, is rated the other leading candidate to take control, but, although Moores and Parry have visited him for talks, it is understood he has still to make a formal offer.

A sticking point has been the valuation of Moores' shares. He holds more than 17,000 and priced them at £6,000 each.

The best offer has been £4,000 a share, but agreement is much closer.

If he sells, the money would go to him, but he would seek a guarantee that the buyer would also take out the club's 15,000 unissued shares.

That money would go to the club, who are believed to be more than £80m in debt and need an estimated £200m for the new 60,000-seater stadium.

by **tubby** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:55 am

I read today that Real Madrid will get 100m per year from new tv right deals and Man Utd also signed a new deal which will see them rake in 50m a season from tv alone.

Anyone know how much we will be getting from it?

Also wasnt there supposed to be a bit of cash coming in from the adidas deal, and has all the money from the CL winnings gone?

I think if we ever do get a new stadium we will have to sell the name rights to it to ensure that a fair amount of cash comes in.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:11 am

I started a thread about it LINK Bav.

by **puroresu** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:36 pm

bavlondon wrote:I read today that Real Madrid will get 100m per year from new tv right deals and Man Utd also signed a new deal which will see them rake in 50m a season from tv alone.

Anyone know how much we will be getting from it?

Also wasnt there supposed to be a bit of cash coming in from the adidas deal, and has all the money from the CL winnings gone?

I think if we ever do get a new stadium we will have to sell the name rights to it to ensure that a fair amount of cash comes in.

Real Madrid are on a totally different level.

by **red37** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:21 pm

Rushies article in the Echo today:

Why I trust Moores to make right decision Nov 21 2006

By Ian Rush, Liverpool Echo

IF Liverpool is sold in the near future, we must hope someone with a close affinity to the club takes over.

David Moores has been under a lot of pressure in recent years, but he's a fantastic man and has been a great chairman because he's always supported his manager.

All those who've worked for him should be grateful for the backing and patience they've received, particularly when you look at how often most clubs change the manager.

For all the criticism there may have been, it's always been reassuring for fans to know the person at the top of the club lives and breathes Liverpool and just wants the best for his club.

I can't pretend to not feel a bit concerned when I see some of the names linked with a takeover.

I've read numerous reports linking Liverpool to a Canada-based businessman, George Gillett. When you know so little about an individual from the other side of the world, it's a natural reaction to be worried.

We've been fortunate at Liverpool to have someone in control who first and foremost works for the love of the club.

Perhaps things have changed in football now to the point where people who see business opportunities are brought in, and if they actually have any feelings for the club they join it's a bonus.

We all know Liverpool must deal with the new financial realities, but that won't make it any easier to accept if the club is sold to someone perceived as an 'outsider'.

There's currently a major dilemma not only for Moores, but for all Liverpool fans.

To compete with the big boys like Manchester United and Chelsea, it's clear Liverpool need a huge investment and it's not necessarily a good idea to be fussy if someone makes a huge offer.

Liverpool must do what they have to in order to compete.

But having seen the takeovers at Manchester United and Aston Villa by American businessman, I can't help but hope Liverpool don't have to go down that path unless it's a last resort.

Liverpool has always prided itself on being a family club with a closer connection to their fan base than the likes of United and Chelsea.

If the wrong person takes control, this could be jeopardised.

I don't know the ins and outs of Liverpool's search for investment, or how serious the reported interest from abroad is, but I'm sure most fans would prefer someone who not only has the finance, but is also a fan.

Knowing Mr Moores as I do, I'm certain he won't sell to anyone unless he's 100 per cent certain they're right for Liverpool and have the club in their heart.

He's a fan like the rest of us, which is why I trust him to make the right decision.

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by **tubby** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:36 pm

Everything Rushie said is true but having been so long now, how long do you think it will be till we have to use a last resort.

by **Ade** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:19 pm

red37 wrote:Rushies article in the Echo today:

Why I trust Moores to make right decision Nov 21 2006

By Ian Rush, Liverpool Echo

IF Liverpool is sold in the near future, we must hope someone with a close affinity to the club takes over.

David Moores has been under a lot of pressure in recent years, but he's a fantastic man and has been a great chairman because he's always supported his manager.

All those who've worked for him should be grateful for the backing and patience they've received, particularly when you look at how often most clubs change the manager.

For all the criticism there may have been, it's always been reassuring for fans to know the person at the top of the club lives and breathes Liverpool and just wants the best for his club.

I can't pretend to not feel a bit concerned when I see some of the names linked with a takeover.

I've read numerous reports linking Liverpool to a Canada-based businessman, George Gillett. When you know so little about an individual from the other side of the world, it's a natural reaction to be worried.

We've been fortunate at Liverpool to have someone in control who first and foremost works for the love of the club.

Perhaps things have changed in football now to the point where people who see business opportunities are brought in, and if they actually have any feelings for the club they join it's a bonus.

We all know Liverpool must deal with the new financial realities, but that won't make it any easier to accept if the club is sold to someone perceived as an 'outsider'.

There's currently a major dilemma not only for Moores, but for all Liverpool fans.

To compete with the big boys like Manchester United and Chelsea, it's clear Liverpool need a huge investment and it's not necessarily a good idea to be fussy if someone makes a huge offer.

Liverpool must do what they have to in order to compete.

But having seen the takeovers at Manchester United and Aston Villa by American businessman, I can't help but hope Liverpool don't have to go down that path unless it's a last resort.

Liverpool has always prided itself on being a family club with a closer connection to their fan base than the likes of United and Chelsea.

If the wrong person takes control, this could be jeopardised.

I don't know the ins and outs of Liverpool's search for investment, or how serious the reported interest from abroad is, but I'm sure most fans would prefer someone who not only has the finance, but is also a fan.

Knowing Mr Moores as I do, I'm certain he won't sell to anyone unless he's 100 per cent certain they're right for Liverpool and have the club in their heart.

He's a fan like the rest of us, which is why I trust him to make the right decision.

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True, everything Rushie says is true, but he doesn't say much.

I'm split big time on the issue of a potential buyer, but in my heart i would rather the club remains in British hands, preferably someone who's a Scouser or a fan, and with that owner we do our best to compete with the big boys - I wouldn't ask for anything more.

I'd much prefer to have that than see Liverpool FC bought by billionaire backers from overseas, whose money might get us the title, but who see us merely as a trinket to add to their business portfolio.

For me, Liverpool FC and supporting Liverpool is about being different to the rest - whether we're winning or not.

by **tubby** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:56 pm

If a British (or even better Scouse) fella can come along, finance a new stadium as well as make sue we are getting enough money to spend each year then fine but if he cant the we have to face facts that looking abroad for the right person.

by **kop11** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:35 pm

i think liverpool fc need some money pumed in for the bennifit of the clubs financial status!! if this new stadium is to ever get under way we will need some fresh income

by **tubby** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:56 pm

Did anyone notice Lawro commenting on the situation during MOTD. To be honest I havent been keeping a close eye on it every day but he said

"The word is that it could happen any day now with the 2 parties bidding for the club".

This would be a a great boost to us moral wise as well to know soon that we will have a new stadium soon as well a being able to compete with the likes of Man Utd and Arsenal in the transfer market.

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