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by **lfc-all-my-life** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:10 pm

he is wasting time at liverpool,we would get a good 10 million for him and i dont think we need a genuine goalscorer like him atm,

centre midfield not his postition,i would know because i watch every liverpool game and i know more about any1 here

by **Lando_Griffin** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:13 pm

stmichael wrote:I am consistently amazed by the furore around the whole Gerrard on the right/middle issue, especially given the number of intelligent posters on here. Regardless of whether you think Gerrard is our best central midfielder, one of our best, or appalling there, surely there can't be anyone that doesn't recognise that in the current squad, he is the best right sided player? That's why he plays there, plain and simple.

With a fully fit squad, Rafa seems to feel that the team loses more quality overall by having Pennant or Garcia on the right than we would by having Momo and Xabi in the middle. I mean, is anyone honestly trying to suggest that say, Kewell, Xabi, Momo and Gerrard is a worse midfield than Kewell, Gerrard Momo and Pennant? Or than Kewell, Gerrard, Xabi and Garcia? OK, we'll play matches this year that any of those midfields should be able to dominate, but generally speaking the first option gives you the best balance of quality in each position.

Even if you think Gerrard may be our best central midfielder, there's no doubt that he's the best player we've got that can play right midfield and there's a bigger quality gap between Gerrard and the next choice on the right than there is between Gerrard and the next choice in the middle. As such, the best option for the strength of the team overall is Gerrard on the right abd will remain so until we sign a truly exceptional right midfielder.

Completely correct. :nod

by **lfc-all-my-life** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:18 pm

no i dont agree

by **67-1161385641** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:19 pm

I agree with St. Mike, he's spot on.

by **lfc-all-my-life** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:20 pm

i dont though

by **67-1161385641** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:24 pm

Why don't you explain why you disagree then?

by **lfc-all-my-life** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:27 pm

i think we sud change our team

by **67-1161385641** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:28 pm

by **lfc-all-my-life** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:36 pm

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by **Smeg** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:41 pm

lfc-all-my-life wrote:rgrehggrfhnbgnb multicate

Are you Iain Dowie?

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:47 pm

stmichael wrote:I am consistently amazed by the furore around the whole Gerrard on the right/middle issue, especially given the number of intelligent posters on here. Regardless of whether you think Gerrard is our best central midfielder, one of our best, or appalling there, surely there can't be anyone that doesn't recognise that in the current squad, he is the best right sided player? That's why he plays there, plain and simple.

With a fully fit squad, Rafa seems to feel that the team loses more quality overall by having Pennant or Garcia on the right than we would by having Momo and Xabi in the middle. I mean, is anyone honestly trying to suggest that say, Kewell, Xabi, Momo and Gerrard is a worse midfield than Kewell, Gerrard Momo and Pennant? Or than Kewell, Gerrard, Xabi and Garcia? OK, we'll play matches this year that any of those midfields should be able to dominate, but generally speaking the first option gives you the best balance of quality in each position.

Even if you think Gerrard may be our best central midfielder, there's no doubt that he's the best player we've got that can play right midfield and there's a bigger quality gap between Gerrard and the next choice on the right than there is between Gerrard and the next choice in the middle. As such, the best option for the strength of the team overall is Gerrard on the right abd will remain so until we sign a truly exceptional right midfielder.

I tend to disagree also. Two reasons -

1) Gerrard is the best player at the club but when he plays on the right he does not play the same role that say Pennant would play. Gerrard pretty much has a free role originating from the right whereas when Pennant plays his role is to 'hug' the touchline and provide crosses. Gerrard will provide crosses but how many times can you say that he will run at a full back and cross, from what I have seen he often will cut inside to provide a diagonal cross or through ball.

2) I accept that with a full strength team including the likes of Sissoko that quality difference is different but I could argue that Gerrard is also the best left sided midfielder we have and that both Pennant and Garcia are better than Gonzales, therefore why not play Gerrard on the left and utilise a natural winger on the right. At least then Gerrard is cutting in on his favoured foot!

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:21 pm

Gerrard is the best crosser and deliverer of the ball at the club. Aurelio and Finnan are good as well.
Alonso is good but rarely gets in the wide areas to deliver crosses.

Anyone that thinks Pennant is a good crosser of the ball is kidding themselves. He makes a lot of crosses(well he used to) but he puts nothing on the cross, they are the type of crosses you see in Sunday league football. Easy to read and easy to cut out. The only player who 's crosses are consistantly worse than Pennant's is Zenden, whos crosses are nothing short of abismal.

The goals Pennant has created this season have all been corner kicks or chips into the centre, after being played inside to the deadball line, never when he has beaten the fullback and crossed from the wing. At Birmingham the same story, record number of crosses virtually no goals scored (You cant blame Heskey for everything)

The point I am trying to make is when Gerrard plays wide he whips the ball in almost Beckham like, curling the ball and making defenders and goalkeeper work to clear the ball. Pennant crosses it dead enabling defenders to position themselves and ensuring that forwards have no chance of a clean header.The goalkeeper has no fears coming for the cross because its not swinging away from them.

I prefer Gerrard on the right, unfortunately with Momo out and the only real alternative being Zenden Gerrard is needed in the centre. If we are to play Gerrard central I do think we should go back to playing narrow as we did last season, so at least the defense receives more protection. play Garcia or Bellamy with Kuyt and Crouch. Bellamy works the channels well and will appreciate the space created in the same way Baros did. In effect Bellamy will be taking over Gerrards free role (obviously with different strengths) while reaping the benefits of Gerrards strength drive and killer passes from the middle.

by **KOPMATT** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:34 am

It is said that if you ignore pain it goes away? :;):

by **KOPMATT** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:47 am

I'm finding it very hard to find many plus's for us this season, I know that many have not had a good run in the team due to the rotation policy, but so many have let themselves and both club and fams down bigtime. Eventhough Jamies not been upto his own high standards, which lets be fair is very high only a few have really performed for the club so far this season IMO. One name that immeadiatly springs to mind is Steve Finnan, he seems to be crossing better again this season and hasn't again IMO put a foot wrong. As for Gerrard then I agree I'd love to see him back in the central role alongside Alonso and allow Pennant a few games under his belt. I know I'm probably gonna get a slating for saying this but seeing Gonzalez lately, hurry back Harry is all I can say because he definately isn't the answer on the right! Even Reina has been very poor(never mind Everton) since the FA Cup Final he has been awful, so it's not just a case of where Gerrard plays but more a case of how the team adapt themselves away from home, because if that doesn't improve and god forbid it could just start to affect our home games too!

by **KOPMATT** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:00 am

Smeg wrote:
lfc-all-my-life wrote:rgrehggrfhnbgnb multicate

Are you Iain Dowie?

Sounds like!!

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