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by **Sabre** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:01 am

you people dont watch enough football. i bet you only ever watch lfc matches n thats it...

watching all Liverpool and Real Sociedad and a few other games take an important amount of my spare time. Perhaps you see many highlights?

by **Ciggy** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:05 am

Sabre wrote:
you people dont watch enough football. i bet you only ever watch lfc matches n thats it...

Perhaps you see many highlights?

Yer on the radio :shifty

by **Sabre** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:38 am

Anyway tel, Pablo, excuse me, I'm a bit on the edge when it comes to football. One of the teams of my heart is on the bottom of the liga, Liverpool has doubts and a defeat just before an international game of Spain, which Spain lost (Alonso didn't play, God knows why)... that with the fact I've had diarreah all the weekend and my gf had the period made my monday start a bit :angry:

I apologize if I wasn't polite.

I like Casillas, his agility hasn't been seen since Arconada times, the lad is humble a good worker, and he's not one of the reasons for Real Madrid's failure last seasons.

But Reina IS a good keeper. Where as Casillas will appear in more highlights than Reina, Reina is the like that doesn't appear, because he makes few errors, and his efforts aren't that spectacular because he was in the correct position.

If you agree that so far last seasons he was just ok (no matter the reasons), perhaps he has earnt enough credit to last some weeks more without asking to drop him?

The message that we'd sending to Dudek is that "first two mistakes, to the bench" and he'd play under pressure. It wouldn't be easy for him to play under that circunstamces. Confidence must be given to the keeper.

by **66-1112520797** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:43 am

Funny thing is that the doubters appear after a couple of errors this season, I hardly could read anything bad about Reina last season.

On my part Sabre, you may well have not read many doubts about him last year. At that same time though you'll be very hard pushed to find a statement from me claiming he's " the best" or "worldclass" or whateve infact you wontr. I had reservations believe you me, I remember Dudeks first season or two and Sanders, and for them it went wrong towards the latter part of their careers, games in Dudeks case.
I think this has made me realise you just can't go out and call the shots on a keeper, after a season especially. And yes of course you will here the doubters come out, especially after a few howlers why not ?
Time & time again I have said his decision making really looks his achilles heel at the moment, and I think or hope it will get better with age. Also his communication with the defence this season, just doesnt look the same and of course it doesnt help with the 'changing of the guards' at the back.

This article was taken from Sky sports, at least Reina's man enough to recognise he's not been at his best (Unlike some rosey eyed supporters).

Liverpool keeper Jose Reina insists he is willing to fight for his place after an indifferent start to the season.

The Spain international has struggled to recapture the form he displayed last season in keeping a string of clean sheets.

He has made several mistakes already this term, but Reina is confident he can prove that he still merits being Liverpool's number one.

"Things aren't working out as I had hoped this season," Reina is quoted in The People. "Last year was better for me, but there is still plenty of time for me to get back to the form I was showing then.

"I feel a bit jinxed at the moment because I am making mistakes that I have never made before in my career.

"But that is the way football is and I am fighting to end this bad run.

"I don't consider myself responsible for the recent defeats because we are a team and we win or lose together, not alone.

"I know I don't have a 'job for life' and if Rafa Benitez decides to change things I will accept it and continue fighting for my place, but I repeat he has not said anything about a change of keeper so far.

"Sometimes you can get away with mistakes elsewhere on the pitch, but if you make a mistake in goal then the opposition score and everybody notices it.

"If I am dropped, my head will not go down. I came here ready and prepared for everything, I came here to learn.

"I am a born fighter. I have had bad times before.

"I am always open to criticism. I am concerned, but I can only assure supporters that I am the same keeper as last season."

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:45 pm

Sabre wrote:and my gf had the period made my monday start a bit

It sure beats her not getting it though, mate!

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:47 pm

In all seriousness, it's reasonable to say that Reina's not been at his best so far this season (who of our players has?). Calling for him to be dropped, though, seems excessive. In terms of talent, he's our best keeper and we need him to haul in the league leaders. There are no quick-fix solutions to our current indifferent form and, in most cases, pursuing quick-fixes causes more trouble than it solves. This would undoubtedly be one of those cases.

by **aCe'** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:47 pm

Reina is not a bad keeper...not the best in the league....not one of the 3 bst keepers....butt is our best option... i dont see us taking him out atm.... all we need to do is start playing some more positivr football...start winning games and its all rainbows and butterflies again for Reina..

Best keepers in the league:

1-Cech
2-Lehmann/vandersar
3-Jaaskelainen

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:39 am

aCe' wrote:Reina is not a bad keeper...not the best in the league....not one of the 3 bst keepers....butt is our best option... i dont see us taking him out atm.... all we need to do is start playing some more positivr football...start winning games and its all rainbows and butterflies again for Reina..

Best keepers in the league:

1-Cech
2-Lehmann/vandersar
3-Jaaskelainen

Lehmann is a f*cking liability.

His form in the Champions' League last season was very good.

His form everywhere else has been erratic to say the least.

Given is better than all of those you named.

The top three, as I said before, are Pepe, Cech and Given.

If you think the others are better because they pull off camera-saves, you need to learn a lot about football.

by **red37** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:09 pm

never mind about who is better...Cech, Van der sar, Given etc... Jose Reina is good enough for Liverpool FC.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:43 pm

To be honest I'm stunned Dudek's still here. I completely assumed he was a goner during the summer.

And ironically, Carson's been very impressive for Charlton this season. Hopefully he'll come back a serious challenger for the number 1 jersey.

On the point of Reina though - you back your keeper unless he's let you down for a prolonged period. Mistakes and misjudgements happen, and when they do they stick out like a sore thumb.

The point's been made elsewhere - Carra has made mistakes. Our entire midfield have turned over possession at vital times, but I don't see threads asking if Zenden should start ahead of Gerrard or Alonso.

The bottom line is that Reina is far and away the best we have. At his best, he's one of the best in the Prem, and that in turn is saying that he's among the best in the world. You don't replace a guy of that quality with Jerzy Dudek on the back of a handful of lacklustre displays.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:45 pm

ivor_the_injun wrote:To be honest I'm stunned Dudek's still here. I completely assumed he was a goner during the summer.

And ironically, Carson's been very impressive for Charlton this season. Hopefully he'll come back a serious challenger for the number 1 jersey.

On the point of Reina though - you back your keeper unless he's let you down for a prolonged period. Mistakes and misjudgements happen, and when they do they stick out like a sore thumb.

The point's been made elsewhere - Carra has made mistakes. Our entire midfield have turned over possession at vital times, but I don't see threads asking if Zenden should start ahead of Gerrard or Alonso.

The bottom line is that Reina is far and away the best we have. At his best, he's one of the best in the Prem, and that in turn is saying that he's among the best in the world. You don't replace a guy of that quality with Jerzy Dudek on the back of a handful of lacklustre displays.

Correct.

by **Ciggy** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:18 am

Dudek has recieved a 3 match ban for violent conduct in the everton reserve game last night which was as bitter as the main derby also a punch up occur.

David Martin will probably be on the bench for the next few games, we are fecked if Reina gets injured or sent off :sniffle

by **Bad Bob** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 12:13 pm

Ciggy wrote:Dudek has recieved a 3 match ban for violent conduct in the everton reserve game last night which was as bitter as the main derby also a punch up occur.

David Martin will probably be on the bench for the next few games, we are fecked if Reina gets injured or sent off

WTF? Getting himself banned will not serve him well. Well, at least we can put this "drop Pepe" nonsense to bed. By the time Dudek's back in the frame, Pepe'll have racked up 3 cleansheets! :buttrock

by **66-1112520797** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:08 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Dudek has recieved a 3 match ban for violent conduct in the everton reserve game last night which was as bitter as the main derby also a punch up occur.

David Martin will probably be on the bench for the next few games, we are fecked if Reina gets injured or sent off

WTF? Getting himself banned will not serve him well. Well, at least we can put this "drop Pepe" nonsense to bed. By the time Dudek's back in the frame, Pepe'll have racked up 3 cleansheets!

Just for the record I havent once said "drop Reina", just that he's in a poor run of form, even he has said that.

by **66-1112520797** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 1:22 pm

ivor_the_injun wrote:To be honest I'm stunned Dudek's still here. I completely assumed he was a goner during the summer.

And ironically, Carson's been very impressive for Charlton this season. Hopefully he'll come back a serious challenger for the number 1 jersey.

On the point of Reina though - you back your keeper unless he's let you down for a prolonged period. Mistakes and misjudgements happen, and when they do they stick out like a sore thumb.

The point's been made elsewhere - Carra has made mistakes. Our entire midfield have turned over possession at vital times, but I don't see threads asking if Zenden should start ahead of Gerrard or Alonso.

The bottom line is that Reina is far and away the best we have. At his best, he's one of the best in the Prem, and that in turn is saying that he's among the best in the world. You don't replace a guy of that quality with Jerzy Dudek on the back of a handful of lacklustre displays.

To be honest I thought Dudek was a gonna to because I think he still could cut it playing first team football elsewhere.

The point's been made elsewhere - Carra has made mistakes. Our entire midfield have turned over possession at vital times, but I don't see threads asking if Zenden should start ahead of Gerrard or Alonso.

Correct they have, but unfortunately being a keeper is being kept under the spot light whether you like it or not. It's the hardest position to play because of this, and when the midfield turn over possession it doesnt always result in us conceeding a goal. The goals he has conceeded too have embarrised him this season, especially after being labelled a "worldclass keeper" or whatever by our own fans. The bigger the pedestall you/we build our players up on, the further they fall when making clangers.

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