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by **66-1112520797** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:30 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
Bamaga man wrote:but even still on the Carragher one he could of called and come for it as Carragher didnt get the shout he tried to clear it.

Sorry mate, that's b*llocks. Carragher tried to let the ball go through his legs to Pepe, but caught it with his trailing foot and it went in.

At no point did he try to clear it.

Are you on about the the F.a cup final ?

If so I remember a ball being crossed in about 8 yrds out to the near post, Carragher was the only player near the ball as Dean Ashton was lurking in a more central position.

Now if Carra had got a call from Reina, he could of let the cross make its way into Reina's arms. But as it was Carragher didnt get the call so try to put it out for a corner, which he well and truly messed up and resulted in an O.g.

Thats where Reina lacks IMO where world class goalkeepers dont, making that split second decision whether to come for the ball or not, keepers cannot hesitate in these situations and for me Reina doesnt get the bulk of the calls right often enough. This tied in with his communication is what seems to be letting him down at the moment, and he'll have to get his confidence up soon otherwise the defence will become panicked as they were when Dudek was going through his rough patch.

Yes, I am referring to the FA Cup final.

If you watch the incident again, JC is trying to allow the ball through, but it catches his trailing leg, resulting in an own goal.

Pepe cannot be blamed for that as I think you'll find he probably DID get a call, but couldn't adjust in such a confined space.

Here is the incident, if you'd care to check:

JC's Own Goal

Yeah maybe, still not sure I remember watching it and they showed that goal from the opposite angle and it appeared that Reina did NOT give Carra a call. Carragher did make a mess of it, but if he would of got the call from Reina then surely he would of jumped over the ball, and not try and let the ball run through his legs noway I dont agree.
That goal sums up the lack of communication between goalkeeper and defence for me. We'll have to agree to disagree on that but whatever the error I still think Reina needs to work on his decision making and communication.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:07 am

Fair enough.

All goalkeepers make mistakes - it comes with the territory.

But I don't think Reina was at fault for that one, personally.

by **112-1077774096** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:34 am

redmikey wrote:imo until scot carson is a serious threat rafa will stick by pepe quite rightly to as he is a class young keeper,

fickle fans should be burnt at the stake

makes me laugh when people call others fickle for having an opinion and then state their own opinion.

what you are saying is that pepe is great but when carson is better he will take over, is that not being fickle? also saying dudek is not good enough, is not being fickle?

i know what you will say, you will say 'dudek is not good enough", ok fair point, but why cant you accept when someone says reina is not good enough as he is making blunders.

of course we can all make excuses, blame the defence etc, but the fact remains that reina has made unforced errors, too many for comfort to be honest

by **Espionage** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:42 am

peewee wrote:
redmikey wrote:imo until scot carson is a serious threat rafa will stick by pepe quite rightly to as he is a class young keeper,

fickle fans should be burnt at the stake

makes me laugh when people call others fickle for having an opinion and then state their own opinion.

what you are saying is that pepe is great but when carson is better he will take over, is that not being fickle? also saying dudek is not good enough, is not being fickle?

i know what you will say, you will say 'dudek is not good enough", ok fair point, but why cant you accept when someone says reina is not good enough as he is making blunders.

of course we can all make excuses, blame the defence etc, but the fact remains that reina has made unforced errors, too many for comfort to be honest

fick·le (fkl) - adj.
Characterized by erratic changeableness or instability, especially with regard to affections or attachments; capricious.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fickle

Fickle is to do with how fast fans change their opinion of a player over short periods. It can be positive (e.g. fickle fans are now supporting Crouch and giving him perhaps more credit then he deserves when he deserved almost as much before), or it can be negative (e.g. Reina is getting a bit too much stick, while people seem to write-off what he did last season). This behaviour shows a lack of football knowledge and bad character. As the "best fans in the world" we should pride ourselves on being knowledgable supporters, and jumping on every band wagon that comes our way degrades the quality of this forum and pisses most of us off!

:veryangry

Nothing wrong with what Peewee is saying, as long as he provides his reasons he is entitled to his opinion. Its very hard to tell if fans are fickle on this site unless they are constantly giving their opinion on the matter. I would only call a fan fickle if I remember them stating something and changing in too short a time frame

by **66-1112520797** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:16 am

Espionage wrote:
peewee wrote:
redmikey wrote:imo until scot carson is a serious threat rafa will stick by pepe quite rightly to as he is a class young keeper,

fickle fans should be burnt at the stake

makes me laugh when people call others fickle for having an opinion and then state their own opinion.

what you are saying is that pepe is great but when carson is better he will take over, is that not being fickle? also saying dudek is not good enough, is not being fickle?

i know what you will say, you will say 'dudek is not good enough", ok fair point, but why cant you accept when someone says reina is not good enough as he is making blunders.

of course we can all make excuses, blame the defence etc, but the fact remains that reina has made unforced errors, too many for comfort to be honest

fick·le (fkl) - adj.
Characterized by erratic changeableness or instability, especially with regard to affections or attachments; capricious.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fickle

Fickle is to do with how fast fans change their opinion of a player over short periods. It can be positive (e.g. fickle fans are now supporting Crouch and giving him perhaps more credit then he deserves when he deserved almost as much before), or it can be negative (e.g. Reina is getting a bit too much stick, while people seem to write-off what he did last season). This behaviour shows a lack of football knowledge and bad character. As the "best fans in the world" we should pride ourselves on being knowledgable supporters, and jumping on every band wagon that comes our way degrades the quality of this forum and pisses most of us off!

Nothing wrong with what Peewee is saying, as long as he provides his reasons he is entitled to his opinion. Its very hard to tell if fans are fickle on this site unless they are constantly giving their opinion on the matter. I would only call a fan fickle if I remember them stating something and changing in too short a time frame

Fickle Shmickle :glare:

I would just like to openly say that I didnt get on the ' Reina's a worldclass goalkeeper bandwagon' after his first season. I thought he looked suspect at times during that campaign, and even more suspect now. He hasnt won me over personally, but at the same time I'm not calling for him to be dropped I'd still stick with him for the time being. I dont think he's a world classkeeper of the likes of Clemence, Banks and the Schmeical's of this world, and I doubt he ever will be personally ( I may well be wrong) but as it stands he looks an average keeper at the moment especially. He's more likely to be in the catergory below the worldclass keepers in with the likes of your Robinsons and your Lehmanns of the world, good keepers but are more prone to making errors. He has time on his side to prove me wrong, but since he arrived he hasnt personally proved to me he is all the hype that most people on here last season made him out to be.

by **Ciggy** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:50 am

Dudek let in 4 goals last night with half of the first team playing.
I am going to put the cat among the pidgeons now, Carra has been awful so far this season.

by **Judge** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:53 am

dont you just hate that cat

by **alessandromagno** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:48 am

Reina seems to me to be rather less than world class. He is good--but we haven't had a consistently world class keeper since Grobelaar. No need to drop him as Dudek seems out of form too. However, if the mistakes continue, I suspect he will be living on borrowed time.

by **stmichael** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:19 am

Ciggy wrote:Dudek let in 4 goals last night with half of the first team playing.
I am going to put the cat among the pidgeons now, Carra has been awful so far this season.

Ciggy I agree mate. You echo what I've been saying for weeks. A few mistakes and all of a sudden Reina's not up to the task. Utter rubbish.

He's playing for a team which are, quite frankly at this moment in time underperforming. Carra has been nothing short of dogsh#t this season along with Hyypia. Finnan hasn't been his usual consistent self. Quite frankly Agger has been the only diamond amongst the lot.

The goalkeeper is always singled out rightly or wrongly, for a multitude of reasons.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:33 pm

So far this season we have had calls to drop Reina ,Riisse,Aurelio, Carragher,Alonso, Sissoko, Bellamy, and no doubt a few more that I have missed. This suggests to me that it is the team that is playing badly and making too many errors rather than any individual player.

Reina is the best goalkeeper we have, give him the support he deserves and he will prove it.

by **Espionage** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:24 pm

s@int wrote:So far this season we have had calls to drop Reina ,Riisse,Aurelio, Carragher,Alonso, Sissoko, Bellamy, and no doubt a few more that I have missed. This suggests to me that it is the team that is playing badly and making too many errors rather than any individual player.

Reina is the best goalkeeper we have, give him the support he deserves and he will prove it.

I agree, but also I think that its the fact that we have such a good squad and have good players desperate to play in every position.

by **spion** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:32 pm

no good rotating the goalie cos he'll be facing the wrong way

by **Graeme Noble** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:23 pm

spion wrote:no good rotating the goalie cos he'll be facing the wrong way

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

by **stmichael** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:27 pm

don't worry graeme, that's the best post spion has ever made. :laugh:

by **66-1112520797** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:37 pm

Graeme Noble wrote:
spion wrote:no good rotating the goalie cos he'll be facing the wrong way

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

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