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by **matrix** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:27 pm

Cool Hand Luke wrote:Message from Rafa to saint:

"We need to find more players to make us even stronger and I hope that can be done before the start of the season. There are many names being spoken about in the press or on the news but it is not the right time to be talking about them."

i also saw that interview on ssn rafa had a rye smile on his face when he said its not the right time to talk about them, panic, not on your life...i honestly believe rafa has something up his sleeve...a big signing will be revealed soon :;):

by **aCe'** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:55 pm

Hey... Its my first post here.. im too honest so....feel free to hate my guts !

I hope trezeguet snubs Roma and decides to join us afterall (if we ever made him a bid).. A worldclass striker with a proven record in a solid league is what we need and Kuyt doesnt look any better than the 3 we got.
BTW... Carragher,Gerrard,Xabi alonso are the only world class players in liverpool..
Manc : VanDersar, Ferdinand, heinze, C.Ronaldo, Rooney, RVN ... No wonder they finished above us last season !
Arsenal: Lehman, A.cole, Gilberto, maybe even Fabregas, Reyes, RVP and Henry.

And that right midfield slot....Why isnt Camoranesi our no.1 option ? ... Alves is good, but clearly overpriced and not a proven winger....plays at right back in sevilla... Kromkamp all over again IMO !

by **Alonso14** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:12 pm

aCe' wrote:Hey... Its my first post here.. im too honest so....feel free to hate my guts !

I hope trezeguet snubs Roma and decides to join us afterall (if we ever made him a bid).. A worldclass striker with a proven record in a solid league is what we need and Kuyt doesnt look any better than the 3 we got.
BTW... Carragher,Gerrard,Xabi alonso are the only world class players in liverpool..
Manc : VanDersar, Ferdinand, heinze, C.Ronaldo, Rooney, RVN ... No wonder they finished above us last season !
Arsenal: Lehman, A.cole, Gilberto, maybe even Fabregas, Reyes, RVP and Henry.

And that right midfield slot....Why isnt Camoranesi our no.1 option ? ... Alves is good, but clearly overpriced and not a proven winger....plays at right back in sevilla... Kromkamp all over again IMO !

I dont think you understand the meaning of World Class, another over used word, along with 'Legend' and 'Class'.

I assure you that though they may be excellent players, Fabregas, Lehman, Gilberto, Carragher and Van Der Star are not world class.

And thers no point suckin the Manc's co.ck, it won't win you any friends on here. We are all aware they fineshed above us last season.

by **matrix** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:20 pm

aCe' wrote:Hey... Its my first post here.. im too honest so....feel free to hate my guts !

I hope trezeguet snubs Roma and decides to join us afterall (if we ever made him a bid).. A worldclass striker with a proven record in a solid league is what we need and Kuyt doesnt look any better than the 3 we got.
BTW... Carragher,Gerrard,Xabi alonso are the only world class players in liverpool..
Manc : VanDersar, Ferdinand, heinze, C.Ronaldo, Rooney, RVN ... No wonder they finished above us last season !
Arsenal: Lehman, A.cole, Gilberto, maybe even Fabregas, Reyes, RVP and Henry.

And that right midfield slot....Why isnt Camoranesi our no.1 option ? ... Alves is good, but clearly overpriced and not a proven winger....plays at right back in sevilla... Kromkamp all over again IMO !

you are manure...how dare you lay there starlets on here :angry:

by **aCe'** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:25 pm

no need to get all defensive and all alonso....hate manc more than u think!
but was just wondering how lehmann, gilberto , carragher and vdersar are not world class...
lehmann was great in club level just as he was in international level...world cup...biggest stage...one of the best 4,5 players in his position...correct me if im wong....but...isnt that how "world class" players are rated... carra perhaps the only one who doesnt fit tthe description but.....only goes to prove what i said earlier !

by **PureLoneWolf** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:41 pm

Ace Ventura wrote:
PureLoneWolf wrote:I think the problem boils down solely to the media. We get linked with thousands of players, but most of the time they don't even link an offer - Just the possibility of an offer.

As as been said, I can't see the point in us getting Duff anyway, so I for one am pleased that our interest seems to have been nothing more than paper talk.

The interesting one for me is Del Horno going to Valencia - Is this the sort of move that could re-ignite (if it was ever put out) the Alves transfer? At least that is a player we KNOW for sure that Rafa wants....

Whats Del Horno going to Valencia got to with us signing Alves
Alves does not ply for Valencia he plays for Seville, also he is a right sided player and Del Horno left, am i missing something ?

/me slaps self - Lots of beer drank last night - no other possible excuse for it

i'll get me coat :Oo:

by **Billy_5_Times** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:03 pm

we need an out an out right winger, coz Garcia is no good out there and Stevie G is better in the middle. my personal picks would be Lennon of Spurs, Pennant off Birmingham or Wright-Phillips off money bags

by **Billy_5_Times** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:04 pm

i think we need a 4th forward 2 coz every team needs cover. the likes of shevchenko, rooney or henry. but only 4 cover for Big Peter, God and the Welsh Dragon

by **Alonso14** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:07 pm

aCe' wrote:no need to get all defensive and all alonso....hate manc more than u think!
but was just wondering how lehmann, gilberto , carragher and vdersar are not world class...
lehmann was great in club level just as he was in international level...world cup...biggest stage...one of the best 4,5 players in his position...correct me if im wong....but...isnt that how "world class" players are rated... carra perhaps the only one who doesnt fit tthe description but.....only goes to prove what i said earlier !

Mate, if you picked your best 11 players in the world plus let’s say about 7 subs, Lehmann, Gilberto and Fab would get in?

Heck if up picked your Best 3 Keepers would Jens get in? I don’t doubt the fact that he's an excellent keeper, I don't doubt that Gilberto and Fabregas are really good players but even Arsenal fans will tell you they are not world class. Players like Henry, Ronaldinho and Cannavaro are world class, players who could walk straight into any team in the world.

You say Lehman played good in the world cup, but feck me didn't Igor Biscan play great in our run to win the Champions League, does that mean he's Europe’s Top midfielder because he's got a Winners Medal and Kaka hasn't.

Football’s a team sport and you don’t need 11 world class players to win the league (referring to you original post), you need 1 or 2, with a few Excellent players and many team players who will work hard for the team and do there jobs and roles (whatever they maybe) efficiently.

If in your opinion Gilberto is a World Class player that’s your opinion, but I just don’t agree.

EDIT:

I also see how you fail to mention how many world class players Chelsea have in there team, the champions in my opinion have 3 maximum if that. Them being Makelele, Terry and Cech. And even then I would find it difficult to say Makelele and Terry are world class, just to give you the benefit of the doubt.

And now try and count how many players they have who are good players who work a specific role within the team. I bet you can't because they have so fecking many, and thats how they won the league twice in a row.

by **Bad Bob** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:28 pm

Alonso14 wrote:
aCe' wrote:no need to get all defensive and all alonso....hate manc more than u think!
but was just wondering how lehmann, gilberto , carragher and vdersar are not world class...
lehmann was great in club level just as he was in international level...world cup...biggest stage...one of the best 4,5 players in his position...correct me if im wong....but...isnt that how "world class" players are rated... carra perhaps the only one who doesnt fit tthe description but.....only goes to prove what i said earlier !

Mate, if you picked your best 11 players in the world plus let’s say about 7 subs, Lehmann, Gilberto and Fab would get in?

Heck if up picked your Best 3 Keepers would Jens get in? I don’t doubt the fact that he's an excellent keeper, I don't doubt that Gilberto and Fabregas are really good players but even Arsenal fans will tell you they are not world class. Players like Henry, Ronaldinho and Cannavaro are world class, players who could walk straight into any team in the world.

You say Lehman played good in the world cup, but feck me didn't Igor Biscan play great in our run to win the Champions League, does that mean he's Europe’s Top midfielder because he's got a Winners Medal and Kaka hasn't.

Football’s a team sport and you don’t need 11 world class players to win the league (referring to you original post), you need 1 or 2, with a few Excellent players and many team players who will work hard for the team and do there jobs and roles (whatever they maybe) efficiently.

If in your opinion Gilberto is a World Class player that’s your opinion, but I just don’t agree.

EDIT:

I also see how you fail to mention how many world class players Chelsea have in there team, the champions in my opinion have 3 maximum if that. Them being Makelele, Terry and Cech. And even then I would find it difficult to say Makelele and Terry are world class, just to give you the benefit of the doubt.

And now try and count how many players they have who are good players who work a specific role within the team. I bet you can't because they have so fecking many, and thats how they won the league twice in a row.

Agree with you on Lehmann mate. World class? Hardly. The guy's had one good season for Arsenal. Remember how dodgy he's been for them in past seasons? Let's put it this way, World Class keepers aren't dropped for the likes of Almunia!

He had a steady world cup and came up trumps in the penalty shoot out with the Argies but, again, if he was World Class, he would have taken over the gloves from Kahn before this World Cup (perhaps after 2002, where Kahn gifted Brazil the initiative with that opening goal blunder).

I'd argue that Reina is as solid as Lehmann if not more so, and he's still improving as a keeper.

Having said all that, let's not dredge up the whole World Class hair-splitting again, huh? Stu's not around to chest thump on this stuff and we should just enjoy the silence IMO!

by **weringo** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:30 pm

aCe' wrote:Hey... Its my first post here.. im too honest so....feel free to hate my guts !

I hope trezeguet snubs Roma and decides to join us afterall (if we ever made him a bid).. A worldclass striker with a proven record in a solid league is what we need and Kuyt doesnt look any better than the 3 we got.
BTW... Carragher,Gerrard,Xabi alonso are the only world class players in liverpool..
Manc : VanDersar, Ferdinand, heinze, C.Ronaldo, Rooney, RVN ... No wonder they finished above us last season !
Arsenal: Lehman, A.cole, Gilberto, maybe even Fabregas, Reyes, RVP and Henry.

And that right midfield slot....Why isnt Camoranesi our no.1 option ? ... Alves is good, but clearly overpriced and not a proven winger....plays at right back in sevilla... Kromkamp all over again IMO !

Real Madrid have many world class players but they aren't winning anything, it's about how the players play as a team and not how good they are individually. And btw these are the players I would call world class

Us: Gerrard, Alonso

Arsenal: Cole, Henry

Man u: Heinze, Rooney, Ronaldo, RVN (but hes leaving)

Ferdinand was shit last season, he seemed to play a part in every goal they conceded. Reina is better than Van der sar and lehmann but still not world class. Fabregas is overated, Reyes is shit and I don't have a clue why you have included Gilberto.

by **Alonso14** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:34 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
Alonso14 wrote:
aCe' wrote:no need to get all defensive and all alonso....hate manc more than u think!
but was just wondering how lehmann, gilberto , carragher and vdersar are not world class...
lehmann was great in club level just as he was in international level...world cup...biggest stage...one of the best 4,5 players in his position...correct me if im wong....but...isnt that how "world class" players are rated... carra perhaps the only one who doesnt fit tthe description but.....only goes to prove what i said earlier !

Mate, if you picked your best 11 players in the world plus let’s say about 7 subs, Lehmann, Gilberto and Fab would get in?

Heck if up picked your Best 3 Keepers would Jens get in? I don’t doubt the fact that he's an excellent keeper, I don't doubt that Gilberto and Fabregas are really good players but even Arsenal fans will tell you they are not world class. Players like Henry, Ronaldinho and Cannavaro are world class, players who could walk straight into any team in the world.

You say Lehman played good in the world cup, but feck me didn't Igor Biscan play great in our run to win the Champions League, does that mean he's Europe’s Top midfielder because he's got a Winners Medal and Kaka hasn't.

Football’s a team sport and you don’t need 11 world class players to win the league (referring to you original post), you need 1 or 2, with a few Excellent players and many team players who will work hard for the team and do there jobs and roles (whatever they maybe) efficiently.

If in your opinion Gilberto is a World Class player that’s your opinion, but I just don’t agree.

EDIT:

I also see how you fail to mention how many world class players Chelsea have in there team, the champions in my opinion have 3 maximum if that. Them being Makelele, Terry and Cech. And even then I would find it difficult to say Makelele and Terry are world class, just to give you the benefit of the doubt.

And now try and count how many players they have who are good players who work a specific role within the team. I bet you can't because they have so fecking many, and thats how they won the league twice in a row.

Agree with you on Lehmann mate. World class? Hardly. The guy's had one good season for Arsenal. Remember how dodgy he's been for them in past seasons? Let's put it this way, World Class keepers aren't dropped for the likes of Almunia!

He had a steady world cup and came up trumps in the penalty shoot out with the Argies but, again, if he was World Class, he would have taken over the gloves from Kahn before this World Cup (perhaps after 2002, where Kahn gifted Brazil the initiative with that opening goal blunder).

I'd argue that Reina is as solid as Lehmann if not more so, and he's still improving as a keeper.

Having said all that, let's not dredge up the whole World Class hair-splitting again, huh? Stu's not around to chest thump on this stuff and we should just enjoy the silence IMO!

Agreed about the World Class nonsense, lets put that subject to bed. But the newbies should be informed! :;):

EDIT:

But back to the original thread, I think Rafa's done well so far. Even if we have a good player in a certain position, he hasn't hesitated to get a better one or look for competition for that player, referring to Speedy and Kewel. Not letting him get complacent is essential, if he thinks the spot is he’s for keeps he could get complacent.

And while I would like to see a good right winger come in, I am more then happy to see Gerrard tear Left Backs to shreds, while given licence to roam, I like many on here believe the right side of midfield is he’s best position even if he doesn’t know it.

On the Striker situation I wold have to say that even though I would want another one, it seems to have more potential to get goals then last season. Fowler with a good pre-season under he’s belt raring to go. While Bellamy might not be as quick as Cisse, he defiantly is smarter. Crouch should also go into this season with a bit more confidence then last, having won over the Kop and with a season playing for a big club in Europe should of also helped him.

by **aCe'** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:53 pm

hehe...yeaa.....whatever !
nice to be posting here ! BTW... i hope chelsea crash and burn next season... competition for spots in the first team is good....but too much competition....no good...
Still think trezeguet would be huge for liverpool.... such a prolific striker if we ever needed one !

by **Bad Bob** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:04 pm

Alonso14 wrote:On the Striker situation I wold have to say that even though I would want another one, it seems to have more potential to get goals then last season. Fowler with a good pre-season under he’s belt raring to go. While Bellamy might not be as quick as Cisse, he defiantly is smarter. Crouch should also go into this season with a bit more confidence then last, having won over the Kop and with a season playing for a big club in Europe should of also helped him.

Obviously I'd still love to see us bring in one more quality striker. But, TBH, if we can get right midfield sorted--and, for me, Pennant would do the trick--I think we're in very sound shape.

Sabre and I were discussing Garcia a couple months back. We both felt that Little Luis is never a wide player but he would be a very effective second striker. Kewell, when fit, can also do a job there (as he did for Australia) and, of course, there's always the option of pushing Stevie forward. And, let's not forget FSP--who always seems to be overlooked but can play a bit on his day!

Point is, should we fail to bring in another striker this summer I will not be gutted. Should our RM search prove fruitless, however, I'll be quite a bit more nervous because, although Stevie was tremendous out wide last season, we need cover there and a player that can offer "different things"--as Rafa would say--on the right flank.

by **Kev Huyton 2006** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:48 pm

I cannot for the life of me understand why on earth Duff would sign for the Geordie Sh*te.

Because he, like Michael Owen, will win didly squat during their time there. not even a carling cup.

I can only assume it is to do with the weekly pay packet.

I don't think Rafa has enough firepower, and has concentrated more on defence when the defence was good anyway.

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