Liverpool FC Forum

[davo_LFC]

Well for a start as some people have said we havent been quoted as being interested in duff and even if we were if we did match the barcodes bid then whose to say that chelski didnt reject and in doin so force duff to go to newcastle. Thats how the kunts play it, their hardly gonna help out the biggest rivals.

As for some of the players we have been linked with, half of them are overpriced...bent 10mil+. fu.ck that. Others are out of price range ala joaquin and others are just lazy journo from the tabloids. The media have fu.ck all to write about so they make up sh.ite. I wouldnt be too worried about them not wanting to join us coz am sure the players that we are REALLY after would jump at the chance ala alves, pennant (even though he hasnt said it..i think) would defo want to join us. That aguerio fella actually was quoted as saying that he'd love to join us but 15mil was a bit hefty for a kid.

I'd rather we were patient and signed the players we need to improve the team rather than buy a good player for the sake of it like newcastle.

[stmichael]

I have tried to be patient (honest) but the D.Duff transfer has got me worried. Its not the fact hes gone to Newcastle but that we actually went for him and he went to Newcastle!
            We need a right winger/r.midfield player and the first rumours seemed promising SWP,Joaquin and Pennant. Next up was Alves,Trebelsi and Queudrue wing backs/full backs who could possibly play r.midfield. Now Duff a left winger that can play on the right.
            We need another striker again first rumours were promising M.Owen coming back (He fkd that one up by breaking his foot/knee)Torres,Villa,Aguirro,Kuyt, Bent then RVN,Trezeguet, Anelka etc.etc.
            It seems to me that we are having to settle for way lower than our first choice transfer targets, either through lack of funds or players being overpriced,which wouldnt upset me too much. What does upset me is none of these players except maybe Anelka have come out and said that they are desperate to play for Liverpool, and made it clear to their clubs that they had better get something sorted quickly.
           This is the chance to play for Liverpool for fks sake! Is it that they have no ambition, or that they know that their clubs want so much more for them than Liverpool will offer that its not worth their while. I would have thought they would be falling over themselves to sign for us. I for one dont want Liverpool to sign players because they are the only ones we can afford or even worse they are the only ones that will come! I can understand players having reservations about going to say Wigan but Liverpool no way.
          Rafa deserves better than this. I understand there are financial restrictions and im not expecting Ronaldinho but most of the above players should be in our price range and if they are overpriced by their clubs, its up to them to tell their clubs that. Players should be fighting to come to Liverpool ,not Liverpool fighting to get players to come.
          I am trying to be patient but im also starting to worry that we are leaving things late......maybe too late. FFS Rafa buy someone good quickly and put me out of my misery!

We're not Real Madrid or Chelsea ffs. It's not about signing 'world class' players that we've all seen on golazo or seen transfer rumours about, it's about signing the right type of players with certain qualities that will add to the team as a whole.

Who have Man United signed this summer? Answer nobody. Who have Arsenal signed? Answer, one player, Rosicky. In my opinion, both those sides have got a bigger rebuilding job to do than us so I'm quite happy we our purchases so far. We've certainly done more to strengthen than those two sides anyway.

[Ace Ventura]

I think the problem boils down solely to the media.  We get linked with thousands of players, but most of the time they don't even link an offer - Just the possibility of an offer.

As as been said, I can't see the point in us getting Duff anyway, so I for one am pleased that our interest seems to have been nothing more than paper talk.

The interesting one for me is Del Horno going to Valencia - Is this the sort of move that could re-ignite (if it was ever put out) the Alves transfer?  At least that is a player we KNOW for sure that Rafa wants....

Whats Del Horno going to Valencia got to with us signing Alves 
Alves does not ply for Valencia he plays for Seville, also he is a right sided player and Del Horno left, am i missing something ?

[Mark 23]

I think the problem boils down solely to the media.  We get linked with thousands of players, but most of the time they don't even link an offer - Just the possibility of an offer.

As as been said, I can't see the point in us getting Duff anyway, so I for one am pleased that our interest seems to have been nothing more than paper talk.

The interesting one for me is Del Horno going to Valencia - Is this the sort of move that could re-ignite (if it was ever put out) the Alves transfer?  At least that is a player we KNOW for sure that Rafa wants....

Whats Del Horno going to Valencia got to with us signing Alves 
Alves does not ply for Valencia he plays for Seville, also he is a right sided player and Del Horno left, am i missing something ?

I thought that as well

[tubby]

I have tried to be patient (honest) but the D.Duff transfer has got me worried. Its not the fact hes gone to Newcastle but that we actually went for him and he went to Newcastle!
            We need a right winger/r.midfield player and the first rumours seemed promising SWP,Joaquin and Pennant. Next up was Alves,Trebelsi and Queudrue wing backs/full backs who could possibly play r.midfield. Now Duff a left winger that can play on the right.
            We need another striker again first rumours were promising M.Owen coming back (He fkd that one up by breaking his foot/knee)Torres,Villa,Aguirro,Kuyt, Bent then RVN,Trezeguet, Anelka etc.etc.
            It seems to me that we are having to settle for way lower than our first choice transfer targets, either through lack of funds or players being overpriced,which wouldnt upset me too much. What does upset me is none of these players except maybe Anelka have come out and said that they are desperate to play for Liverpool, and made it clear to their clubs that they had better get something sorted quickly.
           This is the chance to play for Liverpool for fks sake! Is it that they have no ambition, or that they know that their clubs want so much more for them than Liverpool will offer that its not worth their while. I would have thought they would be falling over themselves to sign for us. I for one dont want Liverpool to sign players because they are the only ones we can afford or even worse they are the only ones that will come! I can understand players having reservations about going to say Wigan but Liverpool no way.
          Rafa deserves better than this. I understand there are financial restrictions and im not expecting Ronaldinho but most of the above players should be in our price range and if they are overpriced by their clubs, its up to them to tell their clubs that. Players should be fighting to come to Liverpool ,not Liverpool fighting to get players to come.
          I am trying to be patient but im also starting to worry that we are leaving things late......maybe too late. FFS Rafa buy someone good quickly and put me out of my misery!

We're not Real Madrid or Chelsea ffs. It's not about signing 'world class' players that we've all seen on golazo or seen transfer rumours about, it's about signing the right type of players with certain qualities that will add to the team as a whole.

Who have Man United signed this summer? Answer nobody. Who have Arsenal signed? Answer, one player, Rosicky. In my opinion, both those sides have got a bigger rebuilding job to do than us so I'm quite happy we our purchases so far. We've certainly done more to strengthen than those two sides anyway.

Exactly !

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[ConnO'var]

In Rafa I do trust, guys.....

But it's been 2 years since we went searching for re-inforcements on the right.... I'm not too worried about upfront coz the 4 we have should do, provided we don't lose Bellamy to injury for too long (sh!te... it's de ja vu.... Owen replaced by another sicknote in Bellamy)..

I'm just not too keen on seeing Stevie on the right again this year (yes, yes.... I know that a lot of u out there think it's his best position.... I don't, that's all). I'm getting a little impatient as well with the drama over the wait.

Please Rafa, put an end to this saga and save me 'ol heart...

[vlady16.1]

lets look at this in another way- maureen will try to embarass rafa at any opportunity -- why not say we want duff while all along he has the deal made with newcastle-- why -- freddie shepard pays more, rafa gets slagged here for missing another and maureen feels good. my yid buddy told me that they got out of the deal for duff cos ol freddie offered 80k and a performance bonus per week-- he's good but not 100k/week

if i was anyones agent i'm saying i am in talks with pool so i can get more for my client and oops me too

we missed owen 17 mill boys, kuyt 13+ , joaquin 20+ face it rafa ain't going to overpay for these guys so relax. it isn't cos we're broke it's because we have good management.

and saber: i relly think crouch bellamy fowler will score more than crouch moro cisse -- so don't worry

remember gerrard got 20+ playing the right, kewell can play there, garcia plays there and then there's the heir apparant a mr. anderson -- we ain't dead yet

in rafa we trust

[account deleted by request]

I have tried to be patient (honest) but the D.Duff transfer has got me worried. Its not the fact hes gone to Newcastle but that we actually went for him and he went to Newcastle!
            We need a right winger/r.midfield player and the first rumours seemed promising SWP,Joaquin and Pennant. Next up was Alves,Trebelsi and Queudrue wing backs/full backs who could possibly play r.midfield. Now Duff a left winger that can play on the right.
            We need another striker again first rumours were promising M.Owen coming back (He fkd that one up by breaking his foot/knee)Torres,Villa,Aguirro,Kuyt, Bent then RVN,Trezeguet, Anelka etc.etc.
            It seems to me that we are having to settle for way lower than our first choice transfer targets, either through lack of funds or players being overpriced,which wouldnt upset me too much. What does upset me is none of these players except maybe Anelka have come out and said that they are desperate to play for Liverpool, and made it clear to their clubs that they had better get something sorted quickly.
           This is the chance to play for Liverpool for fks sake! Is it that they have no ambition, or that they know that their clubs want so much more for them than Liverpool will offer that its not worth their while. I would have thought they would be falling over themselves to sign for us. I for one dont want Liverpool to sign players because they are the only ones we can afford or even worse they are the only ones that will come! I can understand players having reservations about going to say Wigan but Liverpool no way.
          Rafa deserves better than this. I understand there are financial restrictions and im not expecting Ronaldinho but most of the above players should be in our price range and if they are overpriced by their clubs, its up to them to tell their clubs that. Players should be fighting to come to Liverpool ,not Liverpool fighting to get players to come.
          I am trying to be patient but im also starting to worry that we are leaving things late......maybe too late. FFS Rafa buy someone good quickly and put me out of my misery!

We're not Real Madrid or Chelsea ffs. It's not about signing 'world class' players that we've all seen on golazo or seen transfer rumours about, it's about signing the right type of players with certain qualities that will add to the team as a whole.

Who have Man United signed this summer? Answer nobody. Who have Arsenal signed? Answer, one player, Rosicky. In my opinion, both those sides have got a bigger rebuilding job to do than us so I'm quite happy we our purchases so far. We've certainly done more to strengthen than those two sides anyway.

I appreciate what your saying  but who have the Mancs sold and they have got Solksjar, Scholes and Heinze back?  Arsenal have lost 3 major players Bergkamp, Pires and Campbell and bought in one Rosicki, but they had already bought their replacements for Bergkamp and Campbell last season in Hleb and Eboue (Sanderos )
         Liverpool have lost 2 major players in Morientes and Cisse and we're already short of a winger and we have brought in Bellamy. To be honest theres none of the players we have gone for that you could really call world class imo so im not really asking for the impossible.

[Bad Bob]

I appreciate what your saying  but who have the Mancs sold and they have got Solksjar, Scholes and Heinze back?  Arsenal have lost 3 major players Bergkamp, Pires and Campbell and bought in one Rosicki, but they had already bought their replacements for Bergkamp and Campbell last season in Hleb and Eboue (Sanderos )
         Liverpool have lost 2 major players in Morientes and Cisse and we're already short of a winger and we have brought in Bellamy. To be honest theres none of the players we have gone for that you could really call world class imo so im not really asking for the impossible.

First off, Cool Hand Luke is spot on in his post and I would echo his sentiments.

As for your comments regarding the Mancs and Arsenal, Saint, they're in much worse shape than you make out.

1) Mancs

You ask who they've sold...well they are more than likely about to sell RVN and Ronaldo may yet leave as well (two very key players)

They've got Scholes and Solskaaer back but in what condition?  Scholes, IMO, still has quality to offer (like Giggs) but he's not the player he used to be.  Solskaaer has not really played in 3 years and is not likely to set the league alight upon his return.  (Heinze's return is huge for them though)

What you haven't addressed is their absolute sh!te central midfield situation, which hasn't been fixed for years.  People worry about our right side and say that the problem's been there for 2 years and we've done nothing...well, what about the Mancs?  They've been searching for Keane's replacement for years with the idea of having the man himself groom his successor.  Look how that's turned out!  They really haven't even managed to replace Nicky Butt or Phil Neville, FFS!  They have massive problems in the middle and have done nothing to address it.  At least, if things stay as they are, we can play Steven Gerrard at RM and have Garcia as second striker.  Who can they play in the middle? John O'Shea? Darren Fletcher? Alan Smith? Ryan Giggs?  They're in a much deeper hole than we are, mate, trust me!

2) Arsenal

Arsenal may yet lose Ashley Cole to Chelsea but I don't expect any other key player will leave (not even Fabregas).

However, they too have troubles in midfield.  Like the Mancs with Keane, they still haven't found a suitable replacement for Vieira.  Neither Hleb nor Rosicky will fill the role that Pires played and Ljunberg looks to be on the wane as well. 

Up front, they still haven't found anyone that truly clicks with Henry and the system Wenger plays is not kind to second strikers.  That is, he doesn't really play 4-4-2, with a strike partner for Henry.  When other strikers do play, they usually play out wide or just behind (the Bergkamp role) but I don't think this suits the not insignificant talents of Van Persie, Reyes or Adibayour.

Oh, and their squad is just not very deep.  (Senderos and Toure or pretty much it at centre back, for example.  Cole's back up at LB down the stretch last season was Flamini, a right-footed midfielder!).

Point is, St. Mike is exactly right: both Arsenal and Man U--the other challengers to the Chelsea throne--are much further behind in their rebuilding than we are.  They still lack key players in key areas, they lack strength in depth in most positions and, most importantly for this discussion, they've basically done fook all about it up to this point in the transfer season.

Chill, people.  Rafa will sort it out and we'll have a squad to be reckoned with come September 1!

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Good post as usual Badbob, and god knows I hope your right, but you have to remember that the Mancs with all their problems in central midfield finished above us last season. IF RVN goes they will have a real problem replacing him, infact I would say they are fkd and will struggle for top 4. Arsenal have Cliche to replace Cole. As for the rest of your post it was just what I needed to hear in my hour of doubt.

[Alonso14]

Slightly off topic Bad Bob I don’t think you assessment of Arsenal is quite far to be honest. 

Maybe Hleb and Rosicky are not the natural replacements for Ljungberg and Pires, I can’t comment too much on that, but I think Robin Van Persie might just make that position alongside Henry he’s own, he is a remarkable talent and was there second top scorer last season despite being injured for a large chunk of it. He has so much ability, but he’s downfall seems to be he’s decision making skills.

Because he has got so much ability it seems he doesn’t pick the right thing to do, because he must be thinking ‘shall I pass it long or short, hit this with power or try an audacious lob, fu.ck it I’ll just dribble this around the bas.tard’ because I assure you all of these things are in he’s locker. And with good back up in Reyes, Adybour and young Theo Walcott, they have a more then capable strike force.

But of course you are right about the midfield and look weak in the Defence now Sol has left.

[Bad Bob]

Slightly off topic Bad Bob I don’t think you assessment of Arsenal is quite far to be honest. 

Maybe Hleb and Rosicky are not the natural replacements for Ljungberg and Pires, I can’t comment too much on that, but I think Robin Van Persie might just make that position alongside Henry he’s own, he is a remarkable talent and was there second top scorer last season despite being injured for a large chunk of it. He has so much ability, but he’s downfall seems to be he’s decision making skills.

Because he has got so much ability it seems he doesn’t pick the right thing to do, because he must be thinking ‘shall I pass it long or short, hit this with power or try an audacious lob, fu.ck it I’ll just dribble this around the bas.tard’ because I assure you all of these things are in he’s locker. And with good back up in Reyes, Adybour and young Theo Walcott, they have a more then capable strike force.

But of course you are right about the midfield and look weak in the Defence now Sol has left.

I'm certainly not disputing their talent up front Alonso_14.  I agree that Van Persie is a talented young prospect (runs like a girl though!  ) and that Reyes and Adibayour have quality--although both are rather mercurial players so you never know what you'll get from them on any given day.  (As for Walcott...who knows?).

My point is that Arsenal rarely play an orthodox 4-4-2 with a strike partnership up front, even when they have 2 strikers on the pitch.  Henry, of course, likes to drift out to the left flank and allow others to take up a more central position.  While this suits him well, I'm not sure it does his strike partner any favours.  It often leaves the likes of RVP isolated against two central defenders.  Moreover, Wenger seems to like playing RVP and Reyes in wide positions a fair amount--which doesn't get the best from them in my opinion.  Neither have truly become consistent regulars in the starting 11 to date and, with their talent (RVP especially) that's shocking TBH.

Anyway, that's beside the point.  They're fine up front, very light in the middle (no robust CM to complement Fabregas, Rosicky and Hleb), lack width a lot of the time and are shockingly short of cover at the back (Saint, I had overlooked Clichy but, will he fill Cole's shoes if he leaves and who will cover for him?).  IMO, Arsenal have a talented young squad which, at the moment, is nowhere near deep enough to withstand the rigours of a long league and CL campaign.


Oh, and Saint: point taken about the Mancs 2nd place finish last year.  TBH, though, I have no idea how they pulled that off (superior finishing up front helped) and I still think it was a bit of a fluke.  There's no way they can continue to play out of their skins with that ragtag mob of a squad!

[Cool Hand Luke]

Message from Rafa to saint:

"We need to find more players to make us even stronger and I hope that can be done before the start of the season. There are many names being spoken about in the press or on the news but it is not the right time to be talking about them."

[davo_LFC]

Liverpool have lost 2 major players in Morientes and Cisse and we're already short of a winger and we have brought in Bellamy. To be honest theres none of the players we have gone for that you could really call world class imo so im not really asking for the impossible.

Players dont have to be world class, the most important thing is that they improve the team. The players we have gone for are right for the team, alves would give that extra balance and pace, pennant would give the width, pace of a natural winger, kuyt(although i dont rate him) would give us the power upfront and trez would give us the goals. The players rafa wants are what the team needs, they are not big name players who will keep the fans happy and sell shirts, save that for the barcodes.
And its not like the players we are linked with are sh.ite, they are top talents in their own right.