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by **taff** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:33 pm

woof woof ! wrote:Beckham is one of the best crossers and dead ball specialists in the world . Very difficult to drop a player with that level of unique ability . Having said that changes are certainly required in a (so far) below par and predictable England team .

I'd be tempted to play a 5 man midfield , move Beckham inside and put Lennon wide right .

My only doubt with him as the holding midfielder is he aint that good at it

However I would have Hargreaves or Carrick holding with Beckham and Gerrard in midfield and two wide men probably Cole and Lennon . Give Beckham the freedom with SG and he aint a bad guy to have the odd potshot at goal,

Anyway you English are spolide for choice even if you dont pick em

We are just glad to have Bellamy and Giggs turn up

by **stmichael** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:37 pm

all you have to do is switch to 3-5-2 and all your problems are solved. beckham at right wing back means you can play a holding player and still let lampard and gerrard bomb on behind two strikers.

however, with him being paid £5m a year i wouldn't expect sven to even slightly come up with a plan as simple as this. :Oo:

by **Big Niall** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:16 pm

your players play 4-4-2 every week and only know that system. don't change half way through. Play cole, gerrard,Carrick and Lennon in midfield with Rooney and Crouch up front. That way everybody know exactly what their role is.

by **48-1119859832** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:40 pm

I've thought about dropping Beckham and I was in support of it but taking a step back & thinking about it, I'm not so sure. Whilst Aaron Lennon can stretch defenders, create space and open up play, his distribution is fairly poor, if that was better than I'd play him. But as he doesn't and we seem to like hoofing long balls up to Crouch, as well as most of our goals have come from crosses and set pieces, Beckham is the ideal option and why take someone out who can provide England with their main source of assist?

Ppl are moaning about Beckham tucking into the centre too much, well perhaps you could play a 4-5-1 with Dowing, Lampard, Hargreaves, Gerrard and Beckham, therefore this wud push Beckham out onto the flank and would stop him from drifting inwards in the midfield. Niall raises a gd point, why play a formation that isn't England's strongest formation? Well I tend to agree, I think England will just have to continue as they are and pray they don't come up against the likes of Spain, Argentina or Brazil.

by **RosieMac** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 3:56 am

Well, it's no longer an issue of whether Beckham will be dropped...because Svenno's going to do a 4-1-4-1 against Ecuador, and TAKE OUT CROUCH. Rooney's going to be the lone striker, and Carragher is going to be replaced with Carrick.

Christ on a bike. I see this as disastrous for so many reasons!

:help

by **maverick_ charan** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:09 am

YES he is nowhere as good as gerrard and lampard and then it will be possible to play 4-2-3-1,THIS would release gerrad to take on attacking duties

robinson

neville ferdinand terry cole

carragher Lampard

Gerrad rooney j.cole

crouch
With Carragher it wiil help to provide cover the defence
and allow lampard to make foward runs like he does at chelsea

by **The_Rock** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:31 am

maverick_ charan wrote:YES he is nowhere as good as gerrard and lampard and then it will be possible to play 4-2-3-1,THIS would release gerrad to take on attacking duties

robinson

neville ferdinand terry cole

carragher Lampard

Gerrad rooney j.cole

crouch
With Carragher it wiil help to provide cover the defence
and allow lampard to make foward runs like he does at chelsea

Agree that beckham should be dropped. His crossing is really good, but he does not bring anything else to the team......

by **48-1119859832** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:28 pm

The_Rock wrote:Agree that beckham should be dropped. His crossing is really good, but he does not bring anything else to the team......

I agree he should be dropped but sadly Sven didn't take Jermaine Pennant with him, so England don't have any other person who can deliver crosses into the box. Aaron Lennon is good at beating his man, stretching defences, creating space, but his distribution is very poor and seeing as most of our goals have come from set pieces; it makes no sense to drop him. If Pennant was in the England squad than fair enough, I'd drop Beckham in an instant.

by **crazyhorse** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:55 pm

Beckham has has a really good domestic season in Spain. He is still a great player and well worth his starting place.

Stevie should imo be England Captain going into the next EC in 2008.

by **woof woof !** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:01 pm

0asis wrote:
The_Rock wrote:Agree that beckham should be dropped. His crossing is really good, but he does not bring anything else to the team......

I agree he should be dropped but sadly Sven didn't take Jermaine Pennant with him, so England don't have any other person who can deliver crosses into the box. .

For fu'cks sake isn't there a kids forum you can join ? I'm not Beckhams biggest fan but to infer that Pennant would be a better option leaves me thinking you must be about 8 years old .

Times like this when i wish our mods would delete a members account on the grounds of pure juvenile stupidity . :veryangry

by **48-1119859832** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:09 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
0asis wrote:
The_Rock wrote:Agree that beckham should be dropped. His crossing is really good, but he does not bring anything else to the team......

I agree he should be dropped but sadly Sven didn't take Jermaine Pennant with him, so England don't have any other person who can deliver crosses into the box. .

For fu'cks sake isn't there a kids forum you can join ? I'm not Beckhams biggest fan but to infer that Pennant would be a better option leaves me thinking you must be about 8 years old .

Times like this when i wish our mods would delete a members account on the grounds of pure juvenile stupidity .

I'd put this outburst down to you being on that time of the month.

Pennant is much better than Beckham and would give us more of a cutting edge on the right flank. But as he's not in the squad, Beckham will have to do.

Oh and you're more juvenile than I am, that's for sure. Your post proves it.

by **woof woof !** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:59 pm

0asis wrote:Oh and you're more juvenile than I am, that's for sure. Your post proves it.

Ouch ! that hurt . :laugh:

by **JC_81** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:31 pm

There's no way Beckham will be dropped from the starting lineup by Sven today against Ecuador, or in any other game in this tournament (barring injury/suspension). Nor will he ever be substituted in this tournament, Sven will prefer to drop Beckham to right back if he wants to introduce Lennon, therefore retaining his dead ball potential. Well that's what I predict will happen, even though I personally don't think Beckham is worth his place and hasn't been for over 2 years.

His passing is good, but he no longer makes the right decisions on when to pass long/short - preferring to go for the money pass more than he should. His acceleration was never his strong point, but it is now non-existent, hence he gets in fewer crosses than he used to. A good full back completely dominates Beckham every time when he plays wide, forcing him to look infield and therefore destroying the balance of the team. He isn't good enough to be an International centre mid either - far too many deficiencies in his game - can't head, tackle or track back and his lack of mobility now prevents him from making runs effectively beyond the forwards.

His saving grace is, or was, his set pieces. They're still very good, but he is not quite as consistent as he used to be. His scoring rate from free kicks is nowhere near what it was in his United days. He needs to accept that when he's having an off day, he needs to let Gerrard or Lampard mix it up and take the set pieces - but his ego won't let him do this and Sven doesn't have the balls to tell him.

At the moment Beckham is a good experienced player, but no longer International class or good enough for a club like Madrid. The trouble is neither he or Sven accept it and England will continue to suffer for it until something changes.

by **woof woof !** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:55 pm

s@int wrote:The point I was trying to make about Beckhams freekicks is there is no imagination, no surprises, and that he hasnt scored from one for three years.

Maybe he was saving one for when it really mattered . :laugh:

by **davo_LFC** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:00 pm

Reports are claiming that beckhams sickness is a bout of svenitis, it is brought about by the licking of a bald swedish mans :censored:

. Other players to suffer from the disease include fat frank lampard junior. The illness has some side affects, including the refusal to drop the victims from the team by the bacteria known as sven goran eriksson, even if they are playing sh.ite. Dont confuse the bacteria for a mobile phone, the phone has more use and sense...just ask the carphone warehouse.

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