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by **JC_81** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:57 pm

I take no delight in saying this, because I really wanted the signing of Morientes to work out, but he has been a really poor signing. I don't blame Benitez because most sides would have fancied Morientes after his CL run with Monaco, nor do I blame Morientes because the guy clearly tries his best every time he pulls on the shirt - we just have to accept that for various reasons it hasn't worked out and we need to replace him.

He rarely even looks like scoring in most games, let alone actually score, it's just not working out for him here. And I can't see it changing, his confidence is completely shot and only a change of clubs and a change of leagues will rectify that imo. I also agree that it is a very different situation from Crouch - when he was having a barren run in front of goal his link up play and ability to hold the ball in the final 3rd still justified his selection. But Morientes doesn't even offer that. At the moment even Cisse, who is far from good enough for us, is a bigger goal threat than Nando and I'm glad he started the final ahead of Morientes.

by **The Ace1983** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:57 pm

How is Morientes better at it than Crouch? :laugh:

Less goals and less assists, simple as.

by **Bad Bob** » Mon May 15, 2006 11:01 pm

0asis wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
0asis wrote:Parry, Moores should supply money, if they can't do that then they should off.

Morientes has nearly proven his worth, why don't Liverpool sell Pongolle, Le Tallec, Mellor and Cisse and than sign two more strikers making it Crouch, Morientes, Player x and player y?

Why should Nando go? Sure 8 goals is pants but if you are saying he's poor because of his goal return than yeah he is. If you look at his overall game than he is not. Simple as.

Focus on the bigger picture mate, I do and you see a lot more than the average footie manager fan.

Talking sh!te again, I see...

What is the bigger picture we're supposed to be looking for here? What does he bring to the team that our other strikers don't? It certainly isn't goals but you seem to want to focus attention elsewhere. That's fine...we cut Crouch slack on the goals front but he brings other elements to the team that have been pointed out on this forum over and over again. So just what has Nando done to justify seeing out the rest of his contract? Do enlighten us "footie manager fans" with your unparalleled footballing acumen!

He brings what Crouch brings to the team but is better at it simple as. And how the am I talking , it's my opinion if you don't like it off.

You're right, it is your opinion and it's sh!te.

As usual, when someone gives you stick for not backing up your claims you turn into a wind-up merchant--you just start spouting sh!te you don't even believe (like Parry and Moores should feck off) rather than actually trying to back up your position with decent evidence.

As it happens, I don't like your opinion most of the time but I'm not leaving...I'd rather hold your feet to the fire and see how you justify half the rubbish you spew!

by **The Ace1983** » Mon May 15, 2006 11:05 pm

That's a fair comment. If, Oasis, you can justify your opinions with fact and civilisied discussion and some concise, well supported points, we might take you a little more seriously. I don't think you can, but please try.

by **Ciggy** » Mon May 15, 2006 11:14 pm

Well thats just bloody great news isnt it, not that I think he warrants a place in the spanish squad, Crouch doesnt warrent a place in the England squad if Im brutally honest.
But what it will mean is that if we dont sell Fernando his confidence will be shot to pieces by this decision, not that it could'nt be much worse than it already is at the moment.
Really feel sorry for the fella I do so much promise but weve seen so little.

by **Bad Bob** » Mon May 15, 2006 11:18 pm

john craig wrote:I take no delight in saying this, because I really wanted the signing of Morientes to work out, but he has been a really poor signing. I don't blame Benitez because most sides would have fancied Morientes after his CL run with Monaco, nor do I blame Morientes because the guy clearly tries his best every time he pulls on the shirt - we just have to accept that for various reasons it hasn't worked out and we need to replace him.

He rarely even looks like scoring in most games, let alone actually score, it's just not working out for him here. And I can't see it changing, his confidence is completely shot and only a change of clubs and a change of leagues will rectify that imo. I also agree that it is a very different situation from Crouch - when he was having a barren run in front of goal his link up play and ability to hold the ball in the final 3rd still justified his selection. But Morientes doesn't even offer that. At the moment even Cisse, who is far from good enough for us, is a bigger goal threat than Nando and I'm glad he started the final ahead of Morientes.

Spot on...

I've said the same thing to Sabre in the past and still hold to it. I was made up when we signed Nando and just kept waiting for things to click and him to start banging in goals, setting up teammates and generally causing opponents' problems. He showed it in fits and starts last season, sure, but it never really came together. Roll on the summer and I was sure a pre-season with the team would set him right. Nope. He didn't even make an impact in Europe, where he should have had much less trouble. I can't point to any one moment where I lost faith in the lad...it just happened. At some point it just became clear that he had very little to offer the team and needed to be sat down.

He's not past it, IMO, he just doesn't quite do the business for Liverpool. A return to Spain will do him a world of good and I expect that he'd enjoy a wonderful twilight to his career at a team like Depor or Sevilla. As for us, we need more potency up front and cannot afford to carry Nando as a passenger any longer. I for one, hope he's sold this summer.

by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Mon May 15, 2006 11:31 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
john craig wrote:I take no delight in saying this, because I really wanted the signing of Morientes to work out, but he has been a really poor signing. I don't blame Benitez because most sides would have fancied Morientes after his CL run with Monaco, nor do I blame Morientes because the guy clearly tries his best every time he pulls on the shirt - we just have to accept that for various reasons it hasn't worked out and we need to replace him.

He rarely even looks like scoring in most games, let alone actually score, it's just not working out for him here. And I can't see it changing, his confidence is completely shot and only a change of clubs and a change of leagues will rectify that imo. I also agree that it is a very different situation from Crouch - when he was having a barren run in front of goal his link up play and ability to hold the ball in the final 3rd still justified his selection. But Morientes doesn't even offer that. At the moment even Cisse, who is far from good enough for us, is a bigger goal threat than Nando and I'm glad he started the final ahead of Morientes.

Spot on...

I've said the same thing to Sabre in the past and still hold to it. I was made up when we signed Nando and just kept waiting for things to click and him to start banging in goals, setting up teammates and generally causing opponents' problems. He showed it in fits and starts last season, sure, but it never really came together. Roll on the summer and I was sure a pre-season with the team would set him right. Nope. He didn't even make an impact in Europe, where he should have had much less trouble. I can't point to any one moment where I lost faith in the lad...it just happened. At some point it just became clear that he had very little to offer the team and needed to be sat down.

He's not past it, IMO, he just doesn't quite do the business for Liverpool. A return to Spain will do him a world of good and I expect that he'd enjoy a wonderful twilight to his career at a team like Depor or Sevilla. As for us, we need more potency up front and cannot afford to carry Nando as a passenger any longer. I for one, hope he's sold this summer.

i dont think rafa will sell him.
i sense rafa`s pretty close to nando and see`s him as one of his trusted leutenants and someone he can confide in.
nando`s made it pretty clear that he doesnt want to leave liverpool and thats after only playing sporadically so obviously playing every weeks not a big issue to him.
the pellegrino situation was a bit different because although he was close to rafa on a personal basis his contract had ran out where as nando`s still under contract.
i have nothing to back this view up really but i just sense he`ll still be here.

by **Bad Bob** » Mon May 15, 2006 11:38 pm

yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
john craig wrote:I take no delight in saying this, because I really wanted the signing of Morientes to work out, but he has been a really poor signing. I don't blame Benitez because most sides would have fancied Morientes after his CL run with Monaco, nor do I blame Morientes because the guy clearly tries his best every time he pulls on the shirt - we just have to accept that for various reasons it hasn't worked out and we need to replace him.

He rarely even looks like scoring in most games, let alone actually score, it's just not working out for him here. And I can't see it changing, his confidence is completely shot and only a change of clubs and a change of leagues will rectify that imo. I also agree that it is a very different situation from Crouch - when he was having a barren run in front of goal his link up play and ability to hold the ball in the final 3rd still justified his selection. But Morientes doesn't even offer that. At the moment even Cisse, who is far from good enough for us, is a bigger goal threat than Nando and I'm glad he started the final ahead of Morientes.

Spot on...

I've said the same thing to Sabre in the past and still hold to it. I was made up when we signed Nando and just kept waiting for things to click and him to start banging in goals, setting up teammates and generally causing opponents' problems. He showed it in fits and starts last season, sure, but it never really came together. Roll on the summer and I was sure a pre-season with the team would set him right. Nope. He didn't even make an impact in Europe, where he should have had much less trouble. I can't point to any one moment where I lost faith in the lad...it just happened. At some point it just became clear that he had very little to offer the team and needed to be sat down.

He's not past it, IMO, he just doesn't quite do the business for Liverpool. A return to Spain will do him a world of good and I expect that he'd enjoy a wonderful twilight to his career at a team like Depor or Sevilla. As for us, we need more potency up front and cannot afford to carry Nando as a passenger any longer. I for one, hope he's sold this summer.

i dont think rafa will sell him.
i sense rafa`s pretty close to nando and see`s him as one of his trusted leutenants and someone he can confide in.
nando`s made it pretty clear that he doesnt want to leave liverpool and thats after only playing sporadically so obviously playing every weeks not a big issue to him.
the pellegrino situation was a bit different because although he was close to rafa on a personal basis his contract had ran out where as nando`s still under contract.
i have nothing to back this view up really but i just sense he`ll still be here.

Deep down, I think you're right mate...Rafa went the extra mile to sign Nando and then perservered with him during his barren spells this season. I wouldn't be surprised to see him give Nando another year. I don't think Nando's done enough to deserve it, mind, but if he's still around by next September I won't be surprised at all. Everyone says that Rafa has a ruthless streak but I think Morientes will be the true test case.

I will say this, though. As much as Nando has disappointed me this season and as certain as I feel he's never going to come good for us...should Rafa choose to keep the faith, I'll get behind him. I'd love to be proven wrong on this one. Matter of fact, I'll happily hold my hand up this time next season if Rafa can do a Kewell with Nando and get him playing to his potential.

by **Ciggy** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:22 am

Mmmmmmmm................... could be a very interesting few weeks ahead :;):

by **RAGE UK** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:17 am

I do hope mori goes the man is not worth the cotton on his shorts.
he does nothing for us at all he cant score unless the ball is passed to him 3 feet from the goal he don’t assist anyone he cant join in to celebrate with us because in his own words he is not happy with his game he is not playing well and he cant get in the Spanish team .
And some one said he was worth more then our crouch.
Crouch has been scoring and assisting goals and Owen has been out of action again not playing not scoring so how the hell do some people work out that crouch has not earned a place in the world cup team.

Back to the post mori can’t play for us he never has and never will give him a one way ticked and tell him to do one for good. I cant stand the players like mori getting credit on the other players backs because that is all he has got left he can say I’m part of Liverpool football club one of the best clubs in the world even know I’m not worth a wan--k.

by **48-1119859832** » Tue May 16, 2006 7:27 am

The Ace1983 wrote:That's a fair comment. If, Oasis, you can justify your opinions with fact and civilisied discussion and some concise, well supported points, we might take you a little more seriously. I don't think you can, but please try.

What ever am I going to do, I'm not being taken seriously by a bunch of :censored:

who are on an Internet forum. My life is finished as I know it.

Morientes brings a lot to the team, fact! The only reason most Liverpool fans including Mr Alan "I know everything & I'm an ignorant :censored:

Hansen Jnr (Bad Bob) give Morientes stick is for his lack of goals.

I'd love him to stay but with the worst set of fans in the World he owes it to himself to go back to Spain, join a Spanish team and then knock Liverpool out of the Champions League.

Then we'll see how good Crouch is, Crouch is a good player but he isn't as good as Morientes is, fact!

by **66-1112520797** » Tue May 16, 2006 8:04 am

Morientes hasnt lived up to nearly anything we expected quite opposite frankly, if he is given any more time like Rafa did with Kewell. Then he may get something out of him, I look at Morientes and see a possible Teddy Sheringham in him, he definately has the (footballing) brain for it.

But as I see it this is Rafa's dilema regarding our strikers, Morientes and Cisse in particular.

He could sell off Cisse and recoup anything from 8m upwards possibly, and go out and look for THAT striker we're in definant need of. This way we would be better off finacially as Rafa could bulk up his chequebook and put more money to buy a top quality striker, so to speak.

Or Rafa could keep Cisse who is more of a goal threat and an ego and sell Morientes, but he wont get as much money back from the sale of Morientes. 4M would be my guess or around that, this would bump up Rafa's spending allowance a bit.

Or Rafa could risk selling both, (which Personally I think will eventually happen) over the summer. The obvious risk would be getting two top strikers before the season commences. Throw the world cup in on top of that and the inflation that goes with it, and I think it would be difficult to get two top strikers in for the deadline. Unless he is looking elsewhere from the international scene, but still it surley would be logical to sell one, then buy another before offloading both.

by **azriahmad** » Tue May 16, 2006 8:26 am

Garcia scored a hattrick in Spain's first leg play-off match and he's in together with Xabi. Once again, Raul gets preferential treatment desapite only just recovering from injury. The news I read was that the Spanish coach included an extra defender and Morrientes was left out.

I'm not really a Spanish fan but I will be keeping an interest because we have reps in the World Cup.

by **Anfield rapper** » Tue May 16, 2006 9:06 am

I hate to admit it but i think real sold us morientes at the right time for them. He had been on loan with Monaco the season before and scored some goals that got a lot of media coverage in the Champions League. Then when he returns to real he ends up surplus to requirements and we came in and bought him. At the time he looked like a good buy but looking back i think we bought a player in decline. Add to this the more physical nature of the English game and to me its clear why he hasn't performed like he used to.

by **Anfield rapper** » Tue May 16, 2006 9:16 am

0asis wrote:
The Ace1983 wrote:That's a fair comment. If, Oasis, you can justify your opinions with fact and civilisied discussion and some concise, well supported points, we might take you a little more seriously. I don't think you can, but please try.

What ever am I going to do, I'm not being taken seriously by a bunch of who are on an Internet forum. My life is finished as I know it.

Morientes brings a lot to the team, fact! The only reason most Liverpool fans including Mr Alan "I know everything & I'm an ignorant Hansen Jnr (Bad Bob) give Morientes stick is for his lack of goals.

I'd love him to stay but with the worst set of fans in the World he owes it to himself to go back to Spain, join a Spanish team and then knock Liverpool out of the Champions League.

Then we'll see how good Crouch is, Crouch is a good player but he isn't as good as Morientes is, fact!

What is your problem? Are we supposed to be happy that we have a player who used to be great. I'm afraid he doesn't pull his weight at this club and never really has and should go in the summer.

In the FA cup final when they brought Morientes on i just thought thats not going to do much. If we had been able to bring Garcia on you could at least say "yeah he can do something" but time and time again morientes's performances have let us down and we need to get rid of him.

Maybe he will go back to spain and join a club an score a goal to knock us out of the CL, but in the premiership week in week out he is just not good enough. We cannot afford has beens at this club.

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