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[The Ace1983]

Spain never do anything because, from what I understand, the players come from different parts of spain and due to this their political alliegences get in the way of the game. Certain players won't pass to other players because they are from Catalunya or Galicia or Bilbao or wearever. It would be like Gerrard not passing to Be Ferdinand because he's a manc. Weird.

[48-1119859832]

Yeah true but none with the magntitude of Morientes.

Morientes' goalscoring record speaks volumes as does the contribution he makes too. Looks like Spain's manager has gone for names rather than playing ability.

Is it me or does Spain's of a manager look like Rupert Murdoch? You know that faggot who owns those trashy rag companies.

[48-1119859832]

Spain never do anything because, from what I understand, the players come from different parts of spain and due to this their political alliegences get in the way of the game. Certain players won't pass to other players because they are from Catalunya or Galicia or Bilbao or wearever. It would be like Gerrard not passing to Be Ferdinand because he's a manc. Weird.

Well lets face it who other than Rooney, Ferdinand and Scholes (when he played for England) passed to Neville? 

[7_Kewell]

It takes ages to acknowledge in my country a new star, and it takes ages to stop using players in decline.

sounds like England 10 years ago.

[Ace Ventura]

Yeah true but none with the magntitude of Morientes.

Morientes' goalscoring record speaks volumes as does the contribution he makes too. Looks like Spain's manager has gone for names rather than playing ability.

That might be the case with Raul but Morientes is also a big name, and he never picked him, i think he has looked at morientes's form and thought, nah not for me.

Because if nando was english and anywhere near the squad i would be kicking off to f'ck.

[48-1119859832]

Yeah true but none with the magntitude of Morientes.

Morientes' goalscoring record speaks volumes as does the contribution he makes too. Looks like Spain's manager has gone for names rather than playing ability.

That might be the case with Raul but Morientes is also a big name, and he never picked him, i think he has looked at morientes's form and thought, nah not for me.

Because if nando was english and anywhere near the squad i would be kicking off to f'ck.

Morientes is a class player, if he was English he'd be brilliant in the Premiership, therefore I'd play him.

I hate Owen but I'd love us to resign him becoz him and Owen would work well together like they did for the brief period in Real Madrid.

Lets sign Owen in the summer and then you'll see Morientes.

[Sabre]

Sabre are there any other forwards that you would of taken ?

No, we lack proper strikers, second strikers we have many, Reyes can play in that position, LG, Tamudo who hasn't gone, but not the typical '9' the typical goal poacher, a man who can do good headers. Güiza is another player I like, but he needs more media cover to have possibilities

Spain never do anything because, from what I understand, the players come from different parts of spain and due to this their political alliegences get in the way of the game. Certain players won't pass to other players because they are from Catalunya or Galicia or Bilbao or wearever. It would be like Gerrard not passing to Be Ferdinand because he's a manc. Weird

That arguement is typical in Spain, and it invariably comes from nationalist guys from Catalunya or the Basque country. If you ask me I think that's , and meant to separate rather than unite.

Basque players like Alonso will avoid appearing with a big Spanish flag (look the FA final, he doesn't have Spanish flags, where as Reina and Moro did), and this is due to we basques are used not to show our political flavour. If you show the Basque flag, you annoy Madrid nationalists and you generate polemics. If you show the Spaniard you annoy the independentist , and at the end of the day you're sick of that and you show no flag.

But.

When basque players play for the squad I think that they give it all, and are always proud to play there, no matter if it's Xabi or his father Periko they both went happily to the squad. You don't see groups within the Spaniards in concentration, the southerners are not with the southerners specially and things like that. I think that arguement is not valid. Some players will avoid to appear with flags mainly because avoiding polemics, but I think we must look somewhere else to explain our failure.

For me there are two main reasons:

* Complex of inferiority. Spain is too confident against teams he thinks he's better, and has a loser attitude against classic teams.

* Foreigners in the league. In Spain we tend to underrate the Spaniard player. And many forward positions are covered by foreigners, for instance. Not that I dislike foreign players, but I just think many average players are cutting the progress of many locals just because their surname ends in "evic".

[Ace Ventura]

Morientes is a class player, if he was English he'd be brilliant in the Premiership, therefore I'd play him.

Thats a strange statement that mate, i agree that Morientes is a class player, but he has been poor for 2 seasons with us now, and if he was english he would still be poor, he is a clever player that does not seem to like being closed down as soon as he recieves the ball, nor can he cope with the physical nature of the english game, he is lucky to have been selected in the qualifiers after performig so poorly for his club.
That imo is being picked because of his name. Rather like Raul now.

[48-1119859832]

ACE,

If the greatest Spainard Fernando Morientes was born in England, than he would be playing the English game from a young age therefore gettin to grips with the pace and physical nature, therefore he would be better than Rooney, Bent, Defoe, Owen and Crouch etc.

Morientes should of been picked especially with Raul in the squad. Spain are finished long before they've started.

I'm sure Sabre would agree with me on this one.

[The Ace1983]

What criteria does Morientes have to fill to be dubbed "the greatest Spaniard"?

[48-1119859832]

What criteria does Morientes have to fill to be dubbed "the greatest Spaniard"?

His 14 year footballing exsistance.

[The Ace1983]

So if you happen to be Spanish and play for 15 years, you're better than Morientes?

[JC_81]

If the greatest Spainard Fernando Morientes was born in England, than he would be playing the English game from a young age therefore gettin to grips with the pace and physical nature, therefore he would be better than Rooney, Bent, Defoe, Owen and Crouch etc. .

But you could also argue that if Morientes had been born in England rather than Spain then his technique (which is his best attribute) would not have developed to the level it has.  Clearly Spanish players on the whole are superior technical players to British ones, but occasionally lack other attributes that British players are famous for, such as passion, fight and desire to get stuck in when you're up against it. 

I just think the whole 'if Morientes was born in England' argument is a complete non-starter.

[48-1119859832]

So if you happen to be Spanish and play for 15 years, you're better than Morientes?

Look at Morientes' ability for christ sake? On his day he is probs one of the best players around. Okay he doesnt score 1million goals a season like Henry or Ronaldinho but his technical presence and ability is one of the best around. He's class and you know it and you know he's the best Spanish player eva.

[Sabre]

If Morientes was born in UK, Owen would have still better ball conduction, better finish and better pace. I like Morientes for his virtues (ok, rarely shown this two seasons, but I have seen him many), he's a good header, he finishes decently with both legs, he knows to hold the ball with a centre-back pushing him (and put good ball so that Gerrard scores a great goal in min 90), he has never been pacy running, but his turns (a la Astonvilla) were fast... He did well both in the Spanish and French leagues, which are different in tactics and essence. I had no doubts he'd perform well, yet, he hasn't. I'm not sure about the reasons, which can be many, but I don't think his profile of player made him not valid for the premier, to be honest.

I'd love him to have a third season in England, but... I think the jury has said his veredict for him.