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by **48-1119859832** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:14 pm

Sabre wrote:I'd love him to have a third season in England, but... I think the jury has said his veredict for him.

It's the wrong verdict. It's a verdict filled with fickleness. But it's a verdict none the less.

by **Liverpool 4 EVA** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:20 pm

I am very surprised indeed to hear this news.

25 goals in 40 internationals for Spain.

He has always produced the goods for his country.

Aragones a Buffoon? Probably :laugh:

by **48-1119859832** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:22 pm

Liverpool 4 EVA wrote:I am very surprised indeed to hear this news.

25 goals in 40 internationals for Spain.

He has always produced the goods for his country.

Aragones a Buffoon? Probably

No, he's Rupert Murdoch. :laugh:

by **Sabre** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:23 pm

The internet has allowed me to watch Liverpool games again, and also downloading english commented games, and it's always nice to hear the english view, for a change.

The final was a rip of the Beeb broadcast. But it doesn't matter, it happens also with SKy and Ontario television, any chance they have to say "dissapointing" or "not good enough" on Morientes they do.

In fact they do it always.

I think that happens also in Spain, we tend to expect lots of things from the foreigners, and if they don't show their capabilities quickly, then we wonder why we paid the big money for him. A general idea about a player is rapidly spread through out the media, and it's just difficult to remove that from people's mouth. When you see the player playing you then look at him biased.

I think that's the reason Torres has a good name among many of you too. I guess Balaguér or so called pundit like him, spoke highly of him, and then I must warn that he's overrated every week here

. Media has a lot to say about players and their forms, may be they say too much.
(Another example could be Crouch and his drought of goals at the start of the season, what comments I had to read and listen about him!!)

What a rant. I'll get my coat.

by **The Ace1983** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:24 pm

0asis wrote:
The Ace1983 wrote:So if you happen to be Spanish and play for 15 years, you're better than Morientes?

Look at Morientes' ability for christ sake? On his day he is probs one of the best players around. Okay he doesnt score 1million goals a season like Henry or Ronaldinho but his technical presence and ability is one of the best around. He's class and you know it and you know he's the best Spanish player eva.

Doesn't escape the fact that domestically speaking he has an inferior goals per games record than Raul. Why is he disqualified from this illustrious title? And since he's been here, we've seen precious little of his infamous quality, so why keep him? Because he MAY get better? How long should we give him, another year? A year when he is taking the space of someone who actually scores goals. And in a season where we should be aiming for the title can we afford to carry him?

If Nando was English... blah, blah, blah. If Traore had a third leg, if Michael Owen had 7 eyes... There's no point in saying any of this because it didn't happen and we cannot afford to live in a world of hypertheticals. Nonsense. If he's not scoring or creating, I don't want him and I'm not prepared to waste more time on him, because we simply don't have that time. Are you actually trying to tell us that he's delivered on his £6m+ transfer fee and whatever the hell we're paying him? If you are then please explain.
:no

by **48-1119859832** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:27 pm

Morientes will come good, I have faith and I don't give a fly :censored:

if you lot do or not, sure he hasn't lived up to his HIS EVER SO EXPENSIVE TRANSFER FEE I get the impression most Liverpool fans think that he is a 30 goals a season striker, you couldn't be any further from the truth. He has done well enough for me to see out his contract, I'm pretty sure Rafa and Pako,Miller and co agree too.

by **The Ace1983** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:34 pm

So in a team without a thirty a season striker what :censored:

use is he? Crouch will never bag a huge amount but at least he supplies and sets up and even Cisse can score against the cr@p teams! How many goals has he scored? 8? In a season and a half? That's bullsh1t. When will he come good? How long do we give him while he's taking up the space of a 30 a season striker? And that tranfer fee is about a quarter of our yearly budget (if not a bit more) so it is a big thing.

by **48-1119859832** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:38 pm

Parry, Moores should supply money, if they can't do that then they should :censored:

off.

Morientes has nearly proven his worth, why don't Liverpool sell Pongolle, Le Tallec, Mellor and Cisse and than sign two more strikers making it Crouch, Morientes, Player x and player y?

Why should Nando go? Sure 8 goals is pants but if you are saying he's poor because of his goal return than yeah he is. If you look at his overall game than he is not. Simple as.

Focus on the bigger picture mate, I do and you see a lot more than the average footie manager fan.

by **Sabre** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:39 pm

Crouch will never bag a huge amount but at least he supplies and sets up and even Cisse

Morientes also does this, but it's not always acknowledged.

by **48-1119859832** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:43 pm

Sabre wrote:
Crouch will never bag a huge amount but at least he supplies and sets up and even Cisse

Morientes also does this, but it's not always acknowledged.

Damn straight Sabre. WHO SET UP STEVIE G for the 3RD GOAL AGAINST WEST HAM WHICH TOOK US TO EXTRA TIME AND EVENTUALLY LED US ONTO WINNING IT?

Fernando Morientes that's who.

by **Bad Bob** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:44 pm

0asis wrote:Parry, Moores should supply money, if they can't do that then they should off.

Morientes has nearly proven his worth, why don't Liverpool sell Pongolle, Le Tallec, Mellor and Cisse and than sign two more strikers making it Crouch, Morientes, Player x and player y?

Why should Nando go? Sure 8 goals is pants but if you are saying he's poor because of his goal return than yeah he is. If you look at his overall game than he is not. Simple as.

Focus on the bigger picture mate, I do and you see a lot more than the average footie manager fan.

Talking sh!te again, I see...

What is the bigger picture we're supposed to be looking for here? What does he bring to the team that our other strikers don't? It certainly isn't goals but you seem to want to focus attention elsewhere. That's fine...we cut Crouch slack on the goals front but he brings other elements to the team that have been pointed out on this forum over and over again. So just what has Nando done to justify seeing out the rest of his contract? Do enlighten us "footie manager fans" with your unparalleled footballing acumen!

by **The Ace1983** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:44 pm

Oh whoop-dee-doo! His "overall game" is good is it? Well what's the :censored:

point if he can't score or assist? Nearly proven his worth, has he? How? Please explain. And Moores has brought a security to this club that others would kill for. As for the bigger picture comment, I honestly don't think you know what the hell you're talking about. A striker needs to be involved in the goals, he's not, he needs to go.

by **48-1119859832** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:49 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
0asis wrote:Parry, Moores should supply money, if they can't do that then they should off.

Morientes has nearly proven his worth, why don't Liverpool sell Pongolle, Le Tallec, Mellor and Cisse and than sign two more strikers making it Crouch, Morientes, Player x and player y?

Why should Nando go? Sure 8 goals is pants but if you are saying he's poor because of his goal return than yeah he is. If you look at his overall game than he is not. Simple as.

Focus on the bigger picture mate, I do and you see a lot more than the average footie manager fan.

Talking sh!te again, I see...

What is the bigger picture we're supposed to be looking for here? What does he bring to the team that our other strikers don't? It certainly isn't goals but you seem to want to focus attention elsewhere. That's fine...we cut Crouch slack on the goals front but he brings other elements to the team that have been pointed out on this forum over and over again. So just what has Nando done to justify seeing out the rest of his contract? Do enlighten us "footie manager fans" with your unparalleled footballing acumen!

He brings what Crouch brings to the team but is better at it simple as. And how the :censored:

am I talking :censored:

, it's my opinion if you don't like it :censored:

off.

by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:50 pm

Sabre wrote:
Sabre are there any other forwards that you would of taken ?

No, we lack proper strikers, second strikers we have many, Reyes can play in that position, LG, Tamudo who hasn't gone, but not the typical '9' the typical goal poacher, a man who can do good headers. Güiza is another player I like, but he needs more media cover to have possibilities

Spain never do anything because, from what I understand, the players come from different parts of spain and due to this their political alliegences get in the way of the game. Certain players won't pass to other players because they are from Catalunya or Galicia or Bilbao or wearever. It would be like Gerrard not passing to Be Ferdinand because he's a manc. Weird

That arguement is typical in Spain, and it invariably comes from nationalist guys from Catalunya or the Basque country. If you ask me I think that's , and meant to separate rather than unite.

Basque players like Alonso will avoid appearing with a big Spanish flag (look the FA final, he doesn't have Spanish flags, where as Reina and Moro did), and this is due to we basques are used not to show our political flavour. If you show the Basque flag, you annoy Madrid nationalists and you generate polemics. If you show the Spaniard you annoy the independentist , and at the end of the day you're sick of that and you show no flag.

But.

When basque players play for the squad I think that they give it all, and are always proud to play there, no matter if it's Xabi or his father Periko they both went happily to the squad. You don't see groups within the Spaniards in concentration, the southerners are not with the southerners specially and things like that. I think that arguement is not valid. Some players will avoid to appear with flags mainly because avoiding polemics, but I think we must look somewhere else to explain our failure.

For me there are two main reasons:

* Complex of inferiority. Spain is too confident against teams he thinks he's better, and has a loser attitude against classic teams.

* Foreigners in the league. In Spain we tend to underrate the Spaniard player. And many forward positions are covered by foreigners, for instance. Not that I dislike foreign players, but I just think many average players are cutting the progress of many locals just because their surname ends in "evic".

very interesting.
i actually think spain could win it this year, england are tipped to go very close but the only side to have given us a footballing lesson in recent times are spain.
we lost heavily to denmark and lost to northern ireland but we never looked as totally outplayed as we were against spain, we must have had periods of about five minutes without getting a touch of the ball.
rooney totally lost his rag in frustration as alonso and xavi passed us off the park.
spain also seem to have a decent draw in the group stages as well so a few good performances could get the confidence flowing.
i think what hurts spain is that they dont seem to have the ability to win ugly. they cant seem to pinch a goal then hold on for dear life at the end. they need to play well to win where i think england has the ability to pinch a goal off a set peice or something and defend for their lives even if their not playing well.
but if spain bring a bit of form with them they`ll take some beating thats for sure.

by **Bad Bob** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:53 pm

0asis wrote:
Sabre wrote:
Crouch will never bag a huge amount but at least he supplies and sets up and even Cisse

Morientes also does this, but it's not always acknowledged.

Damn straight Sabre. WHO SET UP STEVIE G for the 3RD GOAL AGAINST WEST HAM WHICH TOOK US TO EXTRA TIME AND EVENTUALLY LED US ONTO WINNING IT?

Fernando Morientes that's who.

What are you talking about? The West Ham defender got his head on the ball not Morientes and then Benayoun let the ball run before Gerrard struck it...hardly a conscious knock-down from Nando to set Stevie up, was it?

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