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by **DrLiverpool** » Tue May 11, 2004 9:39 pm

Joey barton is nowhere near good enough for liverpool. besides liverpool need an attacking and a playmaker type like van der vaart. lampard would be excellent.

by **115-1073096938** » Tue May 11, 2004 10:24 pm

Lampard isnt and never will be a top class player!!!

by **Dalglish** » Wed May 12, 2004 12:23 am

Again Stu, i DISAGREE and footballers who voted him in their TOP 3 can't ALL be wrong

Self assured you might be but occasionally Mr perfect you get it wrong , Lampard's quality and I can't believe you won't accept the fact. Like Stevie G at liverpool he is the FIRST player on the teamsheet at Chelsea in a team full of superstars

by **Paul C** » Wed May 12, 2004 12:49 am

Gerrard is the best in Europe and even the Mancs admit that, lampard is as close as you will get to Gerrard so I think they would do well together in midfield

by **glenbuck patriot** » Wed May 12, 2004 12:57 am

Stu's off again, Stu I know now that you are plod,( I also know I said I would say nothing against anybodies occupation, or take the ******), but for Christsake's get a grip man, Where exactly are the team in the league you play for/coach, with your EYE for talent, they probably couldn't beat a one legged man in an ****** kicking contest.

I'm astounded that you think Lampard is not only AVERAGE, but NOT a Qualty player... He's a Class Player, As Deserving A Player as Stevie G of the accolade of Player of the Year IMO!

With your attributes of Observation the Court's must be FULL of people that DID'NT DO IT!, or are you more terse in your chosen occupation!

by **Dalglish** » Wed May 12, 2004 1:07 am

Stu still thinks The Butler DIDN'T do it

by **JohnBull** » Wed May 12, 2004 1:32 am

Joey Barton comes from a good scouse family of hard footballers. His dad wasn't half decent with Prescot and Burscough. Joey was released by those blue knobheads and waited for a chance with us before Keegan stepped in and gave him a chance. The last home game of last season saw him man of the match at Anfield when they beat us 2-1,an under 21 international with international goals and at the time he was on £500 a week.
Talk about heart !!!! Give me that any day.

by **115-1073096938** » Wed May 12, 2004 1:32 pm

Stu's off again, Stu I know now that you are plod,( I also know I said I would say nothing against anybodies occupation, or take the ******), but for Christsake's get a grip man, Where exactly are the team in the league you play for/coach, with your EYE for talent, they probably couldn't beat a one legged man in an ****** kicking contest.

I'm astounded that you think Lampard is not only AVERAGE, but NOT a Qualty player... He's a Class Player, As Deserving A Player as Stevie G of the accolade of Player of the Year IMO!

With your attributes of Observation the Court's must be FULL of people that DID'NT DO IT!, or are you more terse in your chosen occupation!

Whats my job got to do with anything?

The team i coach? under 13's Whiston Juniors, heard of them? You should have.

lol

So tell me, what is Lampard class at? I don't for one second think he's a bad player, he's a really good player but nothing special like people make him out to be.

Is he quick? Well lets see... Henry is quick, Owen is slightly slower but still very quick, then theres Gerrard who is fast aswell but not as quick as Owen or Henry.Then you have players like Phillips who are fast but not what you would class as pacey players. I'd say he's in the lower of this catorgary.

Phyiscally? Well, Vieira, Gerrard, Keane, Savage, Hamann are all far superior in terms of strength, he's decent in this area aswell but he's nothing special. He's nowhere near the players mentioned above. I'd say Hamanns the weakest of these players and i couldn't see Lampard bullying Hamann could you?

Technically? Scholes, Cole, Parker, Vieira, Gilberto, Jenas, Veron... just a few that wipe the floor with him. This attribute in my opinion is one of Stevey Gerrards weakest and i'd say he's as good as Lampard in this area of the game. Which again i'd say he's good at, but nothing special.

Acceleration and turns? Definately not. He's very average in this area of his game. He is clever with it though as he is always on the move. Gerrard shown amazing acceleration at the weekend against Cunningham (who addmittedly isn't the quickest) but i couldn't see Lampard doing that.

Vision? again no better than Gerrard which is one of Stevey's weak points. I'm not saying either has bad vision, just not great. Not in the same class as Scholes, Jenas, Veron, Pires and players of that quality.

Passing? Again good but nothing special Probably as good as Scholes at best. Gerrard is an excellent passer of the ball but isn't the best, i'd say Gerrard isn't as good a passer as the likes of Zidane, Veron, Beckham etc.

Heading? Again he's not brilliant at it, infact i can't really judge it as i've hardly seen him head a ball. Scholes is good at heading.

Finishing? Yes he's superb. As good as alot of strikers and propably better than Gerrard here SLIGHTLY. He takes his chances with conviction and confidence. Again though not the best, I'd say Scholes is a far better finisher, Scholes is as good a finisher as any midfielder in world football.

Attitude and work rate. Brilliant. Lampards best attribute. As good as Gerrards and Vieira's? You tell me.

Tackling? Decent but not great again. He does his bit in winning the ball back but he's not in Gerrard, Keane or Vieiras class for this attribute.

Intelligence and reading the game? Hamann, Vieira, Keane, Gerrard etc all ahead of him. Probably got the same level of game intelligence as Danny Murphy only without the sloppyness.

I've probably missed something out but you'll get over it.

My point is he's a good alround player. He's not as brilliant as some people seem to think though, can you honestly argue with that assessment of him?

I think he's a good alround player who's having a fantastic season and at the very top of his game. Much the same way when Kevin Campbell first signed for Everton and scored 9 goals in 8 games, that didn't make him a great player, just a decent player playing out of his skin.

Lampard has had a superb season and is very consistent, however if you think he has the ability to compete with the Zidane's, Vieira's, Gerrard's and Davids' of this world you are sadly mistaken.

by **stmichael** » Wed May 12, 2004 2:35 pm

the bbc website has just confirmed that we are eyeing joey barton and michael dawson for next season. to me, neither of these players are what we should be looking for if we want to move on to the next level.

barton couldn't even get in man city's team on a regular basis. i'd prefer someone like hargreaves to him. and as for dawson, he may have POTENTIAL (there goes that word again), but he's got no experience at the highest level.

by **Redtribe** » Wed May 12, 2004 2:52 pm

Yep we need experience and quality

I think most of this is just media talk so i'm not really gonna be to worried about it!

by **bpm1976** » Wed May 12, 2004 6:39 pm

Lampard has improved no end since his move to Chelsea, hasnt he scored 14 goals also this season? When ive seen him this season hes really impressed me, cant see Chelsea selling him, but he would be a class signing for us! IMO

by **115-1073096938** » Wed May 12, 2004 7:27 pm

BPM like i said lad, look at my assessment of him, can you disagree with it?

If you can't then he's obviously not good enough and isn't really going to improve the team.

Lets just say for example... he has as much ability as Hamann which imo he doesn't. He isn't as good defensively and isn't much better in an attacking sense just that he actually does attack. He's just a different player.

He isn't what we need. Joe Cole would be the far better addition as he has more ability and has the essential things we are missing such as flair, dribbling ability, creativety and a decent amount of pace.

by **DrLiverpool** » Wed May 12, 2004 8:03 pm

stu....

what you think of vandervaart and vandermeyde?

dervaart is fast,attacking,playmaker,top scorer last season in dutch league (and from midfield...thats attacking...not having 10 shots and 9 over the bar and beside the post),great passer.

dermeyde is class and attacking and would definetly improve right mid. although i dont think there is need to replace diouf as i think he is getting better and will in a couple of seasons be world class.

what you think of them ? i think they would undoubetly improve the midfield. barton is not good enough.

VAN DER MEYDE GERRARD VAN DER VAART KEWELL

best ****** midfield in the country.

also i'd like to hear of what you think of these players: hargreaves and salihamidzic (munich),melbranque,dawson(i think his not good enough),chivu(best in the world...soon i think)(ajax),woodgate(class i think),ibrahimovic and kezman (ajax and psv).

just wont to hear your opinion as i always like reading your posts
your alone...and defend youself real well.

by **Leonmc0708** » Wed May 12, 2004 8:16 pm

Dr are you from Holland or what? All you ever go on about is Van de this and Van de that, are you their ****** ing agent or what?

What do you think of the following

Van De Heskey
Van De Biscan
Van De Traore
Van De Fart
Van De Transit
Van Den Howe
Van De Dutchy on The Left Hand Side
Van De Diddy Diddy Dum Diddy Doo
Van De, Cus You Came And You Gave Without Taking
Van De Dee Van De Daa

by **bpm1976** » Wed May 12, 2004 8:17 pm

Like I said IMO Stu, ur assessment is how you see him. This is why I use the Discussion forum to air my opinions.

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