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redmikey wrote:

puroresu wrote:

redmikey wrote:Pace is all he gives us and what use is it if he is of side???

he must have gone to the anelka school of looking down the line and timing runs,

we would be better of with a youngster out of the reserves who will try and make a go of it

And that alone in my opinion makes him a much bigger treat than Crouch or Nando.  Players with great footballing minds can have impact without pace.  i.e Bergkamp, and Sheringham.

However Crouch has no brain and the only thing he knows how to do is run towards his own goal.  His like Bambi on ice. 

Morientes was a very clever player who although wasnt super quick had more pace than he does now. He looks nothing like the player of 3 years ago.  I would rather defend againt 2 players who cant run and cant score than against Cisse.

crouch is being asked to defend from the front he is imo coming too deep and should be abit more selfish and consentrate on his attacking duties . BUT he is doing the job the manager wants him to do unlike cissie who moans at everyone else on the pitch because the ball isn't inch perfect every time

he does'nt do a team job and rafa is looking for us to attack and defend as a unit, which for the most part this season has worked like a dream, but now we are strugling abit people are looking for a quick fix and calling crouch bambi on ice is a cheap tabloid dig if you had said traore a could understand but crouch is happy with the ball

nando is the emniga at the moment, i bet he is hit the ball in from every angle in training and that is why the boss sticks with him, i have read some right b@llocks on here saying that he favours him this and that   BALLS

rafa does what is best for the team and nando has been working his balls off up front but isn't looking sharp at all in front of goal and know that he has blown it for his lfc career

cissie does'nt work for the team and when he does play he hasn't got the talent that 14 million should have bought, all of the shouts for give him a go he can't do any worse are wrong imo, in the same way i think traore is a liability so is cissie, at least when garcia plays up front you have the feeling that he will do something good after losing the ball 85 times

i would like to see maybe garcia and crouch or fowler and garcia up front

puroresu wrote:

redmikey wrote:

puroresu wrote:

redmikey wrote:Pace is all he gives us and what use is it if he is of side???

he must have gone to the anelka school of looking down the line and timing runs,

we would be better of with a youngster out of the reserves who will try and make a go of it

And that alone in my opinion makes him a much bigger treat than Crouch or Nando.  Players with great footballing minds can have impact without pace.  i.e Bergkamp, and Sheringham.

However Crouch has no brain and the only thing he knows how to do is run towards his own goal.  His like Bambi on ice. 

Morientes was a very clever player who although wasnt super quick had more pace than he does now. He looks nothing like the player of 3 years ago.  I would rather defend againt 2 players who cant run and cant score than against Cisse.

crouch is being asked to defend from the front he is imo coming too deep and should be abit more selfish and consentrate on his attacking duties . BUT he is doing the job the manager wants him to do unlike cissie who moans at everyone else on the pitch because the ball isn't inch perfect every time

he does'nt do a team job and rafa is looking for us to attack and defend as a unit, which for the most part this season has worked like a dream, but now we are strugling abit people are looking for a quick fix and calling crouch bambi on ice is a cheap tabloid dig if you had said traore a could understand but crouch is happy with the ball

nando is the emniga at the moment, i bet he is hit the ball in from every angle in training and that is why the boss sticks with him, i have read some right b@llocks on here saying that he favours him this and that   BALLS

rafa does what is best for the team and nando has been working his balls off up front but isn't looking sharp at all in front of goal and know that he has blown it for his lfc career

cissie does'nt work for the team and when he does play he hasn't got the talent that 14 million should have bought, all of the shouts for give him a go he can't do any worse are wrong imo, in the same way i think traore is a liability so is cissie, at least when garcia plays up front you have the feeling that he will do something good after losing the ball 85 times

i would like to see maybe garcia and crouch or fowler and garcia up front

I disagree. Cisse moans at himself more than anything and the "cisse moans at other players" is again BS.

Rafa's attcking policy I'm afraid hasnt worked a treat as we have scored so few goals.  The stats dont lie. We havent scored enough goals for a side  3rd in the league.  How can mid table sides have outscored us? We dont play an attacking game.  Thats a fact.

Crouch is fine with the ball with his back to goal however when it comes to advancing with the ball and getting past a player he looks pathetic and ends up falling over.  i.e that stupid dive v Benfica!!

I'm not looking for a quick fix at all.  I've said from day 1 of the season unless we change the way we attack we will struggle for goals and thats whats happened.

Are you havin a laugh, Cisse is always complaining to other players and not himself, I don't suppose your real name is Stevie Wonder is it 

puroresu wrote:I agree to extent that I would like Cisse to be given a chance as nobody else is doing it at the moment BUT there appears to be no place for him in the long term. At the end of the day, Morientes may well 'control it on the edge of the box and pass it back' but he is keeping possesion on the edge of the opposition box.

Cisse offers nothing in that situation apart from a rush of blood to the head and squandering possession, if he offers himself at all in that situation. I wish he could just be more consistent and offer to help rather than demand chances/perfect passes on a plate which he isn't gonna get to often. He doesn't 'win the ball' like Crouch does or even try.

He has all the natural attributes but doesn't make the most of them by running himself into the ground for the cause. In many ways, he would have been perfect for Houllier's over the top, play in own half, negative, type of game.

If you think Crouch has poor control, then you must be watching something different to me 
Also when he brings it down and then turns backwards and lays it off, that just might be because there are no options at the time further forward, he often does really well just bringing it down, as the ball is just tossed upto him.
Its not good football and the players need more imagination and creativity. But to blame Crouch for bringing it down well and laying it off to a team mate is a bit daft.
I have agreed Cisse deserves a go, but only because we are really struggling there.
Morientes should not be near the first team, i dont care whether he is better than every other player in training...he is awful in the team and has been for months.
He still has more ability than Cisse in his weaker foot, but looks past it and disinterested.
At the end of the day i would play Cisse cos at the minute there's fook all else really.

puroresu wrote:At least when Cisse plays the midfield actually have an option to play killer passes through sides.

puroresu wrote:

redmikey wrote:

puroresu wrote:

redmikey wrote:Pace is all he gives us and what use is it if he is of side???

he must have gone to the anelka school of looking down the line and timing runs,

we would be better of with a youngster out of the reserves who will try and make a go of it

And that alone in my opinion makes him a much bigger treat than Crouch or Nando.  Players with great footballing minds can have impact without pace.  i.e Bergkamp, and Sheringham.

However Crouch has no brain and the only thing he knows how to do is run towards his own goal.  His like Bambi on ice. 

Morientes was a very clever player who although wasnt super quick had more pace than he does now. He looks nothing like the player of 3 years ago.  I would rather defend againt 2 players who cant run and cant score than against Cisse.

crouch is being asked to defend from the front he is imo coming too deep and should be abit more selfish and consentrate on his attacking duties . BUT he is doing the job the manager wants him to do unlike cissie who moans at everyone else on the pitch because the ball isn't inch perfect every time

he does'nt do a team job and rafa is looking for us to attack and defend as a unit, which for the most part this season has worked like a dream, but now we are strugling abit people are looking for a quick fix and calling crouch bambi on ice is a cheap tabloid dig if you had said traore a could understand but crouch is happy with the ball

nando is the emniga at the moment, i bet he is hit the ball in from every angle in training and that is why the boss sticks with him, i have read some right b@llocks on here saying that he favours him this and that   BALLS

rafa does what is best for the team and nando has been working his balls off up front but isn't looking sharp at all in front of goal and know that he has blown it for his lfc career

cissie does'nt work for the team and when he does play he hasn't got the talent that 14 million should have bought, all of the shouts for give him a go he can't do any worse are wrong imo, in the same way i think traore is a liability so is cissie, at least when garcia plays up front you have the feeling that he will do something good after losing the ball 85 times

i would like to see maybe garcia and crouch or fowler and garcia up front

I disagree. Cisse moans at himself more than anything and the "cisse moans at other players" is again BS.

Rafa's attcking policy I'm afraid hasnt worked a treat as we have scored so few goals.  The stats dont lie. We havent scored enough goals for a side  3rd in the league.  How can mid table sides have outscored us? We dont play an attacking game.  Thats a fact.

Crouch is fine with the ball with his back to goal however when it comes to advancing with the ball and getting past a player he looks pathetic and ends up falling over.  i.e that stupid dive v Benfica!!

I'm not looking for a quick fix at all.  I've said from day 1 of the season unless we change the way we attack we will struggle for goals and thats whats happened.

but we are third in the league 

we were winnig games by not letting the opposing team have the ball, momo breaking up play has been soarly missed,

we need crouch to play with his back to goal that is why rafa bought him   

at the moment we need someone with class and pace to give us something different, it is not cissie

rafa's attacking policy is the best one i have seen in years we have created far more chances than anyone else i would bet far more than chelski, but we are not taking those clear cut chances , benfica being the best example of that.

BUT we are still making chances game in game out, luck will change and so will your tune