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by **redmikey** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:07 pm

Pace is all he gives us and what use is it if he is of side???

he must have gone to the anelka school of looking down the line and timing runs,

we would be better of with a youngster out of the reserves who will try and make a go of it

by **puroresu** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:32 pm

redmikey wrote:Pace is all he gives us and what use is it if he is of side???

he must have gone to the anelka school of looking down the line and timing runs,

we would be better of with a youngster out of the reserves who will try and make a go of it

And that alone in my opinion makes him a much bigger treat than Crouch or Nando. Players with great footballing minds can have impact without pace. i.e Bergkamp, and Sheringham.

However Crouch has no brain and the only thing he knows how to do is run towards his own goal. His like Bambi on ice.

Morientes was a very clever player who although wasnt super quick had more pace than he does now. He looks nothing like the player of 3 years ago. I would rather defend againt 2 players who cant run and cant score than against Cisse.

by **stmichael** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:40 pm

puroresu wrote:His 1st touch isnt that bad at all. Whenever he mis controls a ball people magnify it a whole lot more forgetting about the 10 other times when his control was tight.

You must be watching a different player to me mate. His control and general footballing awareness makes Milan Baros look like Thierry Henry. He doesn't even understand the offside rule ffs.

by **Paul C** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:57 pm

stmichael wrote:
puroresu wrote:His 1st touch isnt that bad at all. Whenever he mis controls a ball people magnify it a whole lot more forgetting about the 10 other times when his control was tight.

You must be watching a different player to me mate. His control and general footballing awareness makes Milan Baros look like Thierry Henry. He doesn't even understand the offside rule ffs.

Thanks Mikey, I was trying to get this across but he wasn't having any of it.

by **puroresu** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:57 pm

stmichael wrote:
puroresu wrote:His 1st touch isnt that bad at all. Whenever he mis controls a ball people magnify it a whole lot more forgetting about the 10 other times when his control was tight.

You must be watching a different player to me mate. His control and general footballing awareness makes Milan Baros look like Thierry Henry. He doesn't even understand the offside rule ffs.

Believe it or not he played football at a very decent level before he came to Liverpool and was pretty successful as well. You dont become a bad player overnight.

I've seen him bring him down plenty of passes no problem when his played right wide.

by **Theo@home** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:58 pm

Seriously, the amount of exageration, outright bull$hit and total cr@p that gets spouted on here is amazing sometimes. The long and the short of it is, Cisse can control a ball at least as well as Nando and Crouch and he did not go to Highbury due to his family's new arrival -Cassius (wtf?). He's no worse than Morientes and Crouch at the moment and 4 or 5 starts up front will either see him prove everybody wrong or allow us to offload him in the close season knowing he had every chance to shine but failed to make it. If we dont give him a run, there'll be people on hear for the next two years saying 'ah, but he was always played out of position' and 'he never got a good run in the team' etc. etc.

by **stmichael** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:27 pm

Theo@home wrote:The long and the short of it is, Cisse can control a ball at least as well as Nando and Crouch

oh how i wish stu the red was here to read this :laugh:

by **Gareth G** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:46 pm

What about his control in the last game then? It was pretty good and his last two games in general were played well, but no one acknowledges that because they have it in for him. He is better than Morientes by far, and to be honest that's ( clause ) the only good excuse there is for not playing him.

If this contract clause is true then what will happen, will it be wiped clean for the start of next year?

by **Ace Ventura** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:48 pm

Theo@home wrote:Seriously, the amount of exageration, outright bull$hit and total cr@p that gets spouted on here is amazing sometimes. The long and the short of it is, Cisse can control a ball at least as well as Nando and Crouch and he did not go to Highbury due to his family's new arrival -Cassius (wtf?). He's no worse than Morientes and Crouch at the moment and 4 or 5 starts up front will either see him prove everybody wrong or allow us to offload him in the close season knowing he had every chance to shine but failed to make it. If we dont give him a run, there'll be people on hear for the next two years saying 'ah, but he was always played out of position' and 'he never got a good run in the team' etc. etc.

Not sure on the reasons why he didnt travel to Highbury, but there is no way his control is good enough.
There may be the odd time where he gets it right, but generally even if the ball is played along the ground he struggles to keep control.
We have seen this countless times with through balls that he has run onto and his first touch knocks it about 5 yards ahead...the keeper comes out and smothers the ball.
I would also give him a run of games...BUT only because Pongolle is on loan and Morientes has not cut it.
Crouch has done ok, but looks in need of a rest.
Cisse and Fowler should start tonight.
To compare Cisse's control with that of Morientes or Crouch is ridiculous imo though.

by **stmichael** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:50 pm

KOP-1892 wrote:What about his control in the last game then? It was pretty good and his last two games in general were played well, but no one acknowledges that because they have it in for him. He is better than Morientes by far, and to be honest that's ( clause ) the only good excuse there is for not playing him.

No i don't have it in for him. This subject comes up every couple of months, he gets his chance, f#cks up countless chances, and is pushed out to the right again. Some people have short memories. Remember Villa away when people were crying for him to be "given a chance" - he was, and look what happened.

I agree that it can't be worse than having Morientes upfront at the moment but lets have some perspective, Cisse is a very very average forward who is just quick. Ok so lets buy Maurice Green then if all you need is pace?

by **Ace Ventura** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:56 pm

stmichael wrote:No i don't have it in for him. This subject comes up every couple of months, he gets his chance, f#cks up countless chances, and is pushed out to the right again. Some people have short memories. Remember Villa away when people were crying for him to be "given a chance" - he was, and look what happened.

I agree that it can't be worse than having Morientes upfront at the moment but lets have some perspective, Cisse is a very very average forward who is just quick. Ok so lets buy Maurice Green then if all you need is pace?

That Villa game is one that i can remember Cisse doing exactly what i just posted, clean through keeper to beat...miscontrol chance over.
Like most as we are so poor in that department at the moment i would play him, but i would f'ck him right off in the summer and bring in a top striker.

by **stmichael** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:21 pm

Ace Ventura wrote:Like most as we are so poor in that department at the moment i would play him, but i would f'ck him right off in the summer and bring in a top striker.

I agree to extent that I would like Cisse to be given a chance as nobody else is doing it at the moment BUT there appears to be no place for him in the long term. At the end of the day, Morientes may well 'control it on the edge of the box and pass it back' but he is keeping possesion on the edge of the opposition box.

Cisse offers nothing in that situation apart from a rush of blood to the head and squandering possession, if he offers himself at all in that situation. I wish he could just be more consistent and offer to help rather than demand chances/perfect passes on a plate which he isn't gonna get to often. He doesn't 'win the ball' like Crouch does or even try.

He has all the natural attributes but doesn't make the most of them by running himself into the ground for the cause. In many ways, he would have been perfect for Houllier's over the top, play in own half, negative, type of game.

by **Paul C** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:26 pm

stmichael wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:Like most as we are so poor in that department at the moment i would play him, but i would f'ck him right off in the summer and bring in a top striker.

I agree to extent that I would like Cisse to be given a chance as nobody else is doing it at the moment BUT there appears to be no place for him in the long term. At the end of the day, Morientes may well 'control it on the edge of the box and pass it back' but he is keeping possesion on the edge of the opposition box.

Cisse offers nothing in that situation apart from a rush of blood to the head and squandering possession, if he offers himself at all in that situation. I wish he could just be more consistent and offer to help rather than demand chances/perfect passes on a plate which he isn't gonna get to often. He doesn't 'win the ball' like Crouch does or even try.

He has all the natural attributes but doesn't make the most of them by running himself into the ground for the cause. In many ways, he would have been perfect for Houllier's over the top, play in own half, negative, type of game.

Fookin hell Mike, whats up with you today, your talking some real sense!!! :oh:

by **puroresu** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:27 pm

stmichael wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:Like most as we are so poor in that department at the moment i would play him, but i would f'ck him right off in the summer and bring in a top striker.

I agree to extent that I would like Cisse to be given a chance as nobody else is doing it at the moment BUT there appears to be no place for him in the long term. At the end of the day, Morientes may well 'control it on the edge of the box and pass it back' but he is keeping possesion on the edge of the opposition box.

Cisse offers nothing in that situation apart from a rush of blood to the head and squandering possession, if he offers himself at all in that situation. I wish he could just be more consistent and offer to help rather than demand chances/perfect passes on a plate which he isn't gonna get to often. He doesn't 'win the ball' like Crouch does or even try.

He has all the natural attributes but doesn't make the most of them by running himself into the ground for the cause. In many ways, he would have been perfect for Houllier's over the top, play in own half, negative, type of game.

Yeah cos we dont play long balls now do we? Never negative either. We always go out to try and win games do we?

At least when Cisse plays the midfield actually have an option to play killer passes through sides. Plenty of times I have seen balls played through which Crouch or Nando are favourite to win yet their lackof pace means the defence can recover.

As for the chances. Crouch and Nando have missed far more sitters than Cisse. Crouch misses them all the damn time and sometimes watching him control a ball is laughable. His legs are so damn long its like he dont know how to control them. lol!!!

On Sunday how many times did Crouch pick up the ball then travel 10 yards backwards and then pass the ball backwards again. This is not the way to break down sides.

by **redmikey** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:37 pm

puroresu wrote:
redmikey wrote:Pace is all he gives us and what use is it if he is of side???

he must have gone to the anelka school of looking down the line and timing runs,

we would be better of with a youngster out of the reserves who will try and make a go of it

And that alone in my opinion makes him a much bigger treat than Crouch or Nando. Players with great footballing minds can have impact without pace. i.e Bergkamp, and Sheringham.

However Crouch has no brain and the only thing he knows how to do is run towards his own goal. His like Bambi on ice.

Morientes was a very clever player who although wasnt super quick had more pace than he does now. He looks nothing like the player of 3 years ago. I would rather defend againt 2 players who cant run and cant score than against Cisse.

crouch is being asked to defend from the front he is imo coming too deep and should be abit more selfish and consentrate on his attacking duties . BUT he is doing the job the manager wants him to do unlike cissie who moans at everyone else on the pitch because the ball isn't inch perfect every time

he does'nt do a team job and rafa is looking for us to attack and defend as a unit, which for the most part this season has worked like a dream, but now we are strugling abit people are looking for a quick fix and calling crouch bambi on ice is a cheap tabloid dig if you had said traore a could understand but crouch is happy with the ball

nando is the emniga at the moment, i bet he is hit the ball in from every angle in training and that is why the boss sticks with him, i have read some right b@llocks on here saying that he favours him this and that BALLS

rafa does what is best for the team and nando has been working his balls off up front but isn't looking sharp at all in front of goal and know that he has blown it for his lfc career

cissie does'nt work for the team and when he does play he hasn't got the talent that 14 million should have bought, all of the shouts for give him a go he can't do any worse are wrong imo, in the same way i think traore is a liability so is cissie, at least when garcia plays up front you have the feeling that he will do something good after losing the ball 85 times

i would like to see maybe garcia and crouch or fowler and garcia up front

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