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puroresu wrote:

emmanuel wrote:"then Rafa has every right not to play him"

so Rafa should have let him go during the last transfer window. And i disagree that he had the chance to prove himself in the first place. He didn t play that much up front.
Trying to compare with the french league is irrelevant and even wrong : except chelsea, arsenal, manu and liverpool, the level is the same (exception with Lyon). It is a problem of adaptation : remember the mutu, veron, morientes etc etc.

Anyway, with the way rafa make his players play, even Shevshenko would be short of goals.
All i say is : what a big waste of money, talent and team spirit.
I don t get the point of the money anyway : it s about punishing him for not suiting rafa plans or not being good enough ? if he s that bad let him go or let him play. having him on the bench will just depreciate his value.
there is no rational position here (finance or sport)

Great points.  I remember seeing Cisse at Axuerre and I was real pleased that we manged to sign him.  I saw someone with pace, power and the ability to score all kinds of goals. Now I dont think people should look at the time before he broke his leg as a becnhmark.  Its not often players from Europe come in and hit it off straight away. You have to give them some time. Anyway the leg brake really come at the wrong time as to me it looked like Cisse was getting to the pace of the English Game.  This season was like Cisse starting again and in pre-season and in the CL qualifiers he looked real sharp and things were looking good.  Then came all the Owen speculation and Cisse seeing the club were trying to ship him out behind his back.  He then comes on as sub in a dreadful performance in the Super Cup and wins us the game.  Rafa is asked after the game about Cisse and the manager says "Maybe we will get more offers now".  What this would of done to Cisse's confidence who knows? Not being backed by the Manager cannot be good for any players confidence.

During the season Cisse has then played some games as a striker, more as a winger and not started many games.  Trying to find any form or consistency has virtually been impossible and he probably now miss out on a World Cup Place.

Why Rafa didnt tell him in Jan the situation and allow him to go on loan is bemusing.  I really dont see why Rafa kept a Player he has no intention to use as a striker unless injuries or suspensions make him.  For Cisse's career he will need to move in the Summer however for his sake I wouldnt let Liverpool dictate the move. Cisse should only go to a club he wants to play for and not the 1st club LFC accept a bid from.

puroresu wrote:

Paul C wrote:

puroresu wrote:

emmanuel wrote:"then Rafa has every right not to play him"

so Rafa should have let him go during the last transfer window. And i disagree that he had the chance to prove himself in the first place. He didn t play that much up front.
Trying to compare with the french league is irrelevant and even wrong : except chelsea, arsenal, manu and liverpool, the level is the same (exception with Lyon). It is a problem of adaptation : remember the mutu, veron, morientes etc etc.

Anyway, with the way rafa make his players play, even Shevshenko would be short of goals.
All i say is : what a big waste of money, talent and team spirit.
I don t get the point of the money anyway : it s about punishing him for not suiting rafa plans or not being good enough ? if he s that bad let him go or let him play. having him on the bench will just depreciate his value.
there is no rational position here (finance or sport)

Great points.  I remember seeing Cisse at Axuerre and I was real pleased that we manged to sign him.  I saw someone with pace, power and the ability to score all kinds of goals. Now I dont think people should look at the time before he broke his leg as a becnhmark.  Its not often players from Europe come in and hit it off straight away. You have to give them some time. Anyway the leg brake really come at the wrong time as to me it looked like Cisse was getting to the pace of the English Game.  This season was like Cisse starting again and in pre-season and in the CL qualifiers he looked real sharp and things were looking good.  Then came all the Owen speculation and Cisse seeing the club were trying to ship him out behind his back.  He then comes on as sub in a dreadful performance in the Super Cup and wins us the game.  Rafa is asked after the game about Cisse and the manager says "Maybe we will get more offers now".  What this would of done to Cisse's confidence who knows? Not being backed by the Manager cannot be good for any players confidence.

During the season Cisse has then played some games as a striker, more as a winger and not started many games.  Trying to find any form or consistency has virtually been impossible and he probably now miss out on a World Cup Place.

Why Rafa didnt tell him in Jan the situation and allow him to go on loan is bemusing.  I really dont see why Rafa kept a Player he has no intention to use as a striker unless injuries or suspensions make him.  For Cisse's career he will need to move in the Summer however for his sake I wouldnt let Liverpool dictate the move. Cisse should only go to a club he wants to play for and not the 1st club LFC accept a bid from.

I was so excited when he joinned but even before he broke his leg he looked average, the problem is that he only has pace and isn't a natural goal scorer, also his firsttouch is terrible! basically the negatives out weigh the possitives.

Regard loaning him out then that would have been pointless is the cluase in his contract is true (as Ciggy stated earlier in the thread)

His 1st touch isnt that bad at all.  Whenever he mis controls a ball people magnify it a whole lot more forgetting about the 10 other times when his control was tight. 

His goalscoring ability to me is very good and his record speaks for itself.

There is no way Rafa only realised he wasnt good enough a few months ago.  If Rafa believed he wasnt good enough why drag this situation out for so long.   He could of told Cisse last summer that he wasnt in his plans and think he should move on instead of trying to sell him behind his back.  In January he could of said the same thing.  Why keep him at the club if you believe he isnt good enough?

Paul C wrote:

puroresu wrote:

Paul C wrote:

puroresu wrote:

emmanuel wrote:"then Rafa has every right not to play him"

so Rafa should have let him go during the last transfer window. And i disagree that he had the chance to prove himself in the first place. He didn t play that much up front.
Trying to compare with the french league is irrelevant and even wrong : except chelsea, arsenal, manu and liverpool, the level is the same (exception with Lyon). It is a problem of adaptation : remember the mutu, veron, morientes etc etc.

Anyway, with the way rafa make his players play, even Shevshenko would be short of goals.
All i say is : what a big waste of money, talent and team spirit.
I don t get the point of the money anyway : it s about punishing him for not suiting rafa plans or not being good enough ? if he s that bad let him go or let him play. having him on the bench will just depreciate his value.
there is no rational position here (finance or sport)

Great points.  I remember seeing Cisse at Axuerre and I was real pleased that we manged to sign him.  I saw someone with pace, power and the ability to score all kinds of goals. Now I dont think people should look at the time before he broke his leg as a becnhmark.  Its not often players from Europe come in and hit it off straight away. You have to give them some time. Anyway the leg brake really come at the wrong time as to me it looked like Cisse was getting to the pace of the English Game.  This season was like Cisse starting again and in pre-season and in the CL qualifiers he looked real sharp and things were looking good.  Then came all the Owen speculation and Cisse seeing the club were trying to ship him out behind his back.  He then comes on as sub in a dreadful performance in the Super Cup and wins us the game.  Rafa is asked after the game about Cisse and the manager says "Maybe we will get more offers now".  What this would of done to Cisse's confidence who knows? Not being backed by the Manager cannot be good for any players confidence.

During the season Cisse has then played some games as a striker, more as a winger and not started many games.  Trying to find any form or consistency has virtually been impossible and he probably now miss out on a World Cup Place.

Why Rafa didnt tell him in Jan the situation and allow him to go on loan is bemusing.  I really dont see why Rafa kept a Player he has no intention to use as a striker unless injuries or suspensions make him.  For Cisse's career he will need to move in the Summer however for his sake I wouldnt let Liverpool dictate the move. Cisse should only go to a club he wants to play for and not the 1st club LFC accept a bid from.

I was so excited when he joinned but even before he broke his leg he looked average, the problem is that he only has pace and isn't a natural goal scorer, also his firsttouch is terrible! basically the negatives out weigh the possitives.

Regard loaning him out then that would have been pointless is the cluase in his contract is true (as Ciggy stated earlier in the thread)

His 1st touch isnt that bad at all.  Whenever he mis controls a ball people magnify it a whole lot more forgetting about the 10 other times when his control was tight. 

His goalscoring ability to me is very good and his record speaks for itself.

There is no way Rafa only realised he wasnt good enough a few months ago.  If Rafa believed he wasnt good enough why drag this situation out for so long.   He could of told Cisse last summer that he wasnt in his plans and think he should move on instead of trying to sell him behind his back.  In January he could of said the same thing.  Why keep him at the club if you believe he isnt good enough?

His touch is bad mate and he doesn't link up very well with strike partners either, sound familiar.......... Baros, I don't want to sound like I hate the guy cos as I said I was so excited when he came here.

I'm sure Rafa wanted to see more of him to cast an opinion but he couldn't do that last season because of his break, this season he has seen enough to judge the player.

Dannyboy wrote:i think Cisse is a good player. you cant just turn into a bad player overnight. it is also true though that he has not played his best football since joining the mighty reds. his confidence is low and i beleive he is not happy to be playing on the wing either.( he as well as any player should be happy to play for there club in any position imo) the 4 strikers we have at the moment are what Rafa is looking for as they all add something diffrent. he has said this when we signed fowler, what he needs to do is get cisse and morientes out in the summer but replace them with players that have the same attributes for example swap cisse for a fast striker. This of course is just my opinion but i liked Cisse before he came and despite a poor season a player doesnt just become a bad player.

el_stinger wrote:I think also that Rafa played to the fans by keeping Cissy.

puroresu wrote:

el_stinger wrote:I think also that Rafa played to the fans by keeping Cissy.

Same could be said in his reason behind signing Fowler.

puroresu wrote:

emmanuel wrote:"then Rafa has every right not to play him"

so Rafa should have let him go during the last transfer window. And i disagree that he had the chance to prove himself in the first place. He didn t play that much up front.
Trying to compare with the french league is irrelevant and even wrong : except chelsea, arsenal, manu and liverpool, the level is the same (exception with Lyon). It is a problem of adaptation : remember the mutu, veron, morientes etc etc.

Anyway, with the way rafa make his players play, even Shevshenko would be short of goals.
All i say is : what a big waste of money, talent and team spirit.
I don t get the point of the money anyway : it s about punishing him for not suiting rafa plans or not being good enough ? if he s that bad let him go or let him play. having him on the bench will just depreciate his value.
there is no rational position here (finance or sport)

Great points.  I remember seeing Cisse at Axuerre and I was real pleased that we manged to sign him.  I saw someone with pace, power and the ability to score all kinds of goals. Now I dont think people should look at the time before he broke his leg as a becnhmark.  Its not often players from Europe come in and hit it off straight away. You have to give them some time. Anyway the leg brake really come at the wrong time as to me it looked like Cisse was getting to the pace of the English Game.  This season was like Cisse starting again and in pre-season and in the CL qualifiers he looked real sharp and things were looking good.  Then came all the Owen speculation and Cisse seeing the club were trying to ship him out behind his back.  He then comes on as sub in a dreadful performance in the Super Cup and wins us the game.  Rafa is asked after the game about Cisse and the manager says "Maybe we will get more offers now".  What this would of done to Cisse's confidence who knows? Not being backed by the Manager cannot be good for any players confidence.

During the season Cisse has then played some games as a striker, more as a winger and not started many games.  Trying to find any form or consistency has virtually been impossible and he probably now miss out on a World Cup Place.

Why Rafa didnt tell him in Jan the situation and allow him to go on loan is bemusing.  I really dont see why Rafa kept a Player he has no intention to use as a striker unless injuries or suspensions make him.  For Cisse's career he will need to move in the Summer however for his sake I wouldnt let Liverpool dictate the move. Cisse should only go to a club he wants to play for and not the 1st club LFC accept a bid from.