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by **Cool Hand Luke** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:56 pm

For me Sissoko will never reach the level of Viera. He is a good player who will improve more over time and become a valuable player for us. But I can’t ever see him being a world class player like Viera.

People think that Viera was plucked out of thin air and all of a sudden became a world class player. Viera was already a good player, and when he arrived and played his first few games for Arsenal it was clear that he was a very good player who could and probably would become an excellent player.

by **115-1073096938** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:57 pm

Cool Hand Luke wrote:For me Sissoko will never reach the level of Viera. He is a good player who will improve more over time and become a valuable player for us. But I can’t ever see him being a world class player like Viera.

People think that Viera was plucked out of thin air and all of a sudden became a world class player. Viera was already a good player, and when he arrived and played his first few games for Arsenal it was clear that he was a very good player who could and probably would become an excellent player.

Well said.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:03 pm

Again we've got a thread where people are getting too preoccupied with where a player ranks on a world level. It's b*llocks.

Sissoko is doing a job for us. That's all that matters. If he stops doing a job for us, then we should worry about who else is out there that could step in and do it instead.

Of course he's not Viera, of course he's not Gerrard and of course he's not Alonso. Three phenomenal players. I'm just honoured that two of them are on our books.

With Rafa at the helm, Gerrard and Alonso alongside him on the pitch, and training alongside the likes of Hamann day in, day out. We'll soon see exactly how good he's going to end up.

So yeah, in answer to the original post - he's a bit raw, but for me a good signing that definitely adds a hell of a lot of energy and steel to the midfield. And still very early days for him at the club, which is particularly promising.

by **drummerphil** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:08 pm

I see that a N sissoko signed for notts county last night,wonder if hes any relation.

by **115-1073096938** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:09 pm

Its not bollox Ivor, the fact is people are going round saying he'll be in Vieira's class and he's that good. He's not, he never will be and its extremely unfair to expect that of a lad who's 20/21 years old who is yet to learn the game.

He's a good player, he's not a great one and its unfair to place the burden that players like Gerrard, Alonso and Vieira carry on a player of his limited ability, age and stature within world football.

These are the same people who in 5 years will be wondering why he still plays erratic passes and "hasn't progressed" in the manner "they" expected.

by **115-1073096938** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:10 pm

drummerphil wrote:I see that a N sissoko signed for notts county last night,wonder if hes any relation.

Probably theres hundreds of them! :laugh:

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:26 pm

I think he has a long way to go to get to Veira's standard, but I'm not going to say never.

He is however the joint second most booked player in the Premiership..

Davids 9 cauntions
Savage, Sissoko 7 cautions

He needs to be careful... his passing needs to improve as well!

by **Alonso14** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:52 pm

(I know its off topic a touch, but stu did mention someting about sissoko not being in the top 5 best midfileders in the world before) so who is in your top 5 midfielders in the world?

I'd go:

1.Kaka
2.Riquielme
3.Xavi
4.Gerrard
5.Makelele (for what he does to allow Lampard to get all the credit)

I think Zidane has recently just dropped out, even though he probably was the best midfielder in the last decade.

I haven't included Ronaldinho because I think he is more of a Foward, who plays of the front man.

by **Kash_Mountain** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:26 pm

stu_the_red wrote:The lads got alot of potential. When he improves his weaknesses he'll be a good player for us. He's done well so far, sloppy in possession though and dives into tackles far to often.

Needs to learn a bit more about the tactical side of the game, improve his short passing skills and learn not to dive in all the time. Very raw, but certainly been a good addition.

Agree with you Stu, I think Momo's here to stay for a good few seasons. He will get better.

Rafa will sort him out with the right training regime.

by **dawson99** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:30 pm

stu_the_red wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:Since when has supporting a team nowadays been about where you live?? True I don't live in Liverpool but doesn't stop me seeing my team play. In a good season I see them 8/9 times at home across all competitions. I probably see them another 5/6 times away.

Do you think that the majority of forum members here are regular attendees at Anfield - I think not. Your just lucky to live where you do, if I was within 2 hours of liverpool I'd be a season ticket holder. Alas i'm not so I have to make do. Boo Hoo!!

I appreciate Vieira for the player he is now, not who he used to be. I also see the same potential as Rafa sees in Sissoko.

Lets agree to disagree. Only time is going to prove either of us right

Vieira's not what he used to be?

Maybe, slightly, but look at Arsenal since he left...

Viera is half the player he was, and thats why arsenal sold him. the last 2 seasons he wasnt anything special, but i agree in his day he was the best at what he did.
what a lot of people dont realise tho is that at that same time didi hamman was doing exactly the same for us. i cant remember the exact numbers but according to OPTA stats didi was actually outscoring Viera on more than one count. But did was never a fashionable player, if he went past the half way line he got a nosebleed and he wouldnt sell as many papers as viera.

now all the hype on sissoko is unfair, let him be his own player. hes still wild now but once he matures a bit he will shw the genius that he can be

by **Squigels** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:13 am

Hiya new here not a Liverpool supporter (support the Mancs but browsing through (Good Forum in fairness lads and more sense talked then i was honestly expecting and while i have a dislike to your team i accept your lot has improved under Benitez il go as far as saying you were unlucky to lose at Old Tafford) and your rules claim as long as you don't provoke trouble your welcome to have a say.

On Sissoko i think people are getting a bit giddy when they say New Viera. when he first came i thought you were having a laugh.

But in the last few months he has progressed really well he is improving but the strength of your midfield hides his weakness if Alonso or Gerrard get injured you are in trouble cause technichally he aint good enough only brings physique.

by **el_stinger** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:21 am

Stevie was much the same. He was a wild tackler, rash challenges, constantly got booked, injured players etc. He will calm down, and start to play some elegant and passionate football. I think he is trying to hard at the mo, he really wants to show how much he is willing to spill blood for the club.

by **Squigels** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:28 am

I don't think its that bad for you. He picks his cards up but he is doing what he is best at physically imposing himself. He aint up to much going foward so stiffiling opposing players if done well can be a telling contribution.

He is no Viera doesn't go foward enough and doesn't seem to posses the same leadership i know its early days but natural leaders are born that way.

by **RedRoots** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:40 pm

Sissoko bothers me sometimes, he's quality off the ball but as soon as he's on it I just don't expect anything other than him losing possession if he manages to get the pass off it seems like a bit of a bonus, if I look at the rest of our midfeilders I know they can win the ball then create something maybe a quality pass from Xabi or Stevie or else Kewell and Gerrard keeping the ball and running at the opposition.

I think Sissoko should just learn to make the simple pass all the time because as Stu said before he simply does not have the ability to be creative and also his touch and vision aren't the best, and I don't think he'll be able to develop these attributes to a world class level, so like some others I feel the Viera comparisons are ridiculous.

by **115-1073096938** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:58 pm

dawson99 wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:Since when has supporting a team nowadays been about where you live?? True I don't live in Liverpool but doesn't stop me seeing my team play. In a good season I see them 8/9 times at home across all competitions. I probably see them another 5/6 times away.

Do you think that the majority of forum members here are regular attendees at Anfield - I think not. Your just lucky to live where you do, if I was within 2 hours of liverpool I'd be a season ticket holder. Alas i'm not so I have to make do. Boo Hoo!!

I appreciate Vieira for the player he is now, not who he used to be. I also see the same potential as Rafa sees in Sissoko.

Lets agree to disagree. Only time is going to prove either of us right

Vieira's not what he used to be?

Maybe, slightly, but look at Arsenal since he left...

Viera is half the player he was, and thats why arsenal sold him. the last 2 seasons he wasnt anything special, but i agree in his day he was the best at what he did.
what a lot of people dont realise tho is that at that same time didi hamman was doing exactly the same for us. i cant remember the exact numbers but according to OPTA stats didi was actually outscoring Viera on more than one count. But did was never a fashionable player, if he went past the half way line he got a nosebleed and he wouldnt sell as many papers as viera.

now all the hype on sissoko is unfair, let him be his own player. hes still wild now but once he matures a bit he will shw the genius that he can be

As good as Hamann was again he was NOWHERE NEAR Vieira, not even close. He's never had Vieira's pace, aggression, drive, determination and stamina. That not mentioning Vieira's ability to create chances and set goals up.

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