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by **The Manhattan Project** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:42 pm

He missed that chance against Man Utd from what looked to be point blank range. When he's one-on-one with a keeper, I never believe he's going to score, and usually he proves me right.

Not what anyone should expect from a man who cost fourteen million squid.

by **Ciggy** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:48 pm

Say what you want about Milan Baros but the lad never stopped running, for us, he used to cause defenders problems would draw free kicks around the box. He tried his best the other lazy b@stard thinks he's at a rave all he does is throws his hands up in the air.

by **drummerphil** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:56 pm

I said the other day after the game....... for a french international forward his off the ball running and positional play and control is disgraceful .I gave the lad a lot of backing after his injury and was chuffed when he scored the two goals in the supercup.........but i then expected the lad to go on from that and to be honest i would rather have Heskey :lookaround

by **JBG** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:19 pm

Ciggy wrote:Say what you want about Milan Baros but the lad never stopped running, for us, he used to cause defenders problems would draw free kicks around the box. He tried his best the other lazy b@stard thinks he's at a rave all he does is throws his hands up in the air.

Don't you mean "for himself"?

by **el_stinger** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:26 pm

teamleader1 wrote:
el_stinger wrote:Would Cisse have behaved this way if Houllier was still in charge? I mean, he obviously is not faring well in games, and hanging his head, and not competing for second balls, and the like, but if Houllier was here, the man that originally signed him, it would be interesting to see.....

I reckon he would have been losing the ball 95% of the time/ Miscontrolling every pass/ closing his eyes for headers/ blasting over from 2 yards/running around with his head up his aarse/falling over/ lifting his hands to the heavens and shaking his fkn head in disbelief -

Sounds familiar

In other words, yes.

by **Penguins** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:31 am

When we signed Cissé for that money I thought, finally Houllier has bought us a quality striker, I mean how can he be bad costing that much and scoring those goals in the french league. Well, even though he scored vs the Spurs he started rather poorly, but I did put that as learing the game and adapt to the league. Then he got injured and I felt sorry for they guy who I thought was going to score around 20-25 before the campaign started. I was very glad he got back from injury and came in as a sub vs Juventus and contributing a little towards the end of the season. Even though he didn't perform very well I did put that as recovery time and getting back in game shape. This season I once again thought he'd score 20-25 and improve cause his 1st year was terrible for many reasons. And once we came to November I saw absolutely zero progress. Since then it has been very obvious he is a very poor footballer. I don't care he change his hairstyle as long as he works on improving his game. I don't care he becomes "lord of the mannor" as long as he gives it all
in the red shirt. I myself would give my soul(if I had one) to
wear that shirt. I had never understood why Rafa didn't play him more until then. But now I know too well.

Crouch fills a very important roll. He wins many headers vs any defense. he has good footballing smarts, holds up the ball and flicks on balls for teammates(where he and Gerrard has connected quite a few times) His control and overall play is above average, who is not a prolific scorer but he will chip in his share. He knows his roll and what Rafa wants him to do.
Morientes may not have speed but his footballing sense is way beyond average. His skill and control of the ball is superb and reads his teammates pretty well. He has caped for Spain so many times and even though he has dissapointed a bit so far, despite some nice goals, I feel he still has the tools to succeed to a degree.
When it comes to Cissé nothing has changed since November. He has lighting speed but his non existant control negates that. His football sense is way below average(at best) and as he has not any skill in the air compared to the other 2 he is supposed to be a prolific scorer(only reason he is there).
But if I had to choose between those 3 coming one on one with the goalie it surely would not be Cissé.
As it turned it I shouldn't be surprised. Look at Houlliers track record on french buys. Why should this one had been any better?
And Rafa's desire to stop the deal from going through should tell me to trust him.
So what would I like to happen?
Dream scenario would be that Cissé gets shipped out right now to Marsielle for 5 million before more performances decrease his value. Maybe buy a replacement straight away but not needed. Then I would play Crouch with Mori or Pongolle depending on who Rafa thinks would do the best job there. Anything is better than Cissé now the way he is playing.
And I must thank Houllier for his last worthless act for the club :veryangry

by **babu** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:27 am

Nice post Penguins.

Agree with most of what you said, and understandably we are all frustrated with Cisse. Thought your last line was a little harsh though.

You said yourself that you expected 20-25 goals from cisse, and had the same expectation this season. Surely Houllier thought the same. anyway you were probably just venting.

by **66-1137139704** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:47 am

Penguins wrote:Crouch fills a very important roll. He wins many headers vs any defense. he has good footballing smarts, holds up the ball and flicks on balls for teammates(where he and Gerrard has connected quite a few times) His control and overall play is above average, who is not a prolific scorer but he will chip in his share. He knows his roll and what Rafa wants him to do.
Morientes may not have speed but his footballing sense is way beyond average. His skill and control of the ball is superb and reads his teammates pretty well. He has caped for Spain so many times and even though he has dissapointed a bit so far, despite some nice goals, I feel he still has the tools to succeed to a degree.
And I must thank Houllier for his last worthless act for the club

you forgot to mention that cisse has played less games than Crouch or Morrientes but has managed to score more than both.
As for Crouch giving defenders nightmare,i dont think so.He was more of a threat on sunday than crouch was.
Cisse can also flick;remember the flick on to crouch on sunday with only the goalie to beat?B4 crouch could raise his long leg and kick the ball(seemed an eternity) a defender had arrived and even the he could only shoot straight at the goalie.
Cisse is our best striker at the moment and that is why a lot is expected from him.If he scores,its no big deal.But if doesnt score he gets criticized much more than crouch or morrientes.

As those bashing cisse are basing there criticism from sundays game against manure,tell them to point out what crouch did in that game.Did he create a chance for himself or his team mates like the open chance created for him by cisse?
How many games has cisse started compared to morrientes?And how many goals has morrientes scored?A brace every six months is good enuff?
The only thing intelligent about morrientes is his ability to fool most of you into thinking he can come good yet clearly he's a spent force.

I dont like to criticize our players unless they are awful like josemi or potter and do not fit into the team.
But i could not just watch as you slugged cisse and ignored worse players than him.All players have played a part in our recent success...some more than others.
If only we had a strike force that could match our mid field and defence...we'd be up there with chelsea(toe 2 toe).

And thank houllier for Gerrard,Carra and Owen for he helped them take the step from the academy to reserves to the first team.
Which youngstar has Benitez brought through?

by **anfieldadorer** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:17 am

what else should we say; cisse needs more time to recover from injury? he needs more time to adapt to english football? he needs more supplies from mid sector? get real, he's price shows his quality? he's just being unlucky? he's unfortunate being on the wrong hands? he's still young and has a lot of space to explore? etc.

by **66-1137139704** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:26 am

anfieldadorer wrote:what else should we say; cisse needs more time to recover from injury? he needs more time to adapt to english football? he needs more supplies from mid sector? get real, he's price shows his quality? he's just being unlucky? he's unfortunate being on the wrong hands? he's still young and has a lot of space to explore? etc.

No.
He just needs more games.Period.

Read my post ^

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:16 am

Sorry thats an excuse used way too much. Cisse needs to look at why he has no desire on the pitch. I'm starting to wonder whether he does actually want to be back in a league he can cope with, i.e. the French League. To me its obvious thats where he'll go back to.

Also I have no doubt he play more games for Liverpool this season, Rafa will still rotate the squad - as he always has. Sinama Pongolle will be pleased at the situation as this should open more opportunities for himself, he just needs to make an impact on the games he plays in.

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:17 am

No.
He just needs more games.Period.

Yes ! He need more games at the position as striker but not as the right wing .

by **darwisigila** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:51 am

yes......he needs more games like mudface said. rafa should give him another 100 games to prove himself...or maybe 300 plus cl games. cisse is rubbish......tahi.....

by **darwisigila** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:52 am

or sell cisse to scum....how about u mudface?

by **66-1137139704** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:53 am

SouthCoastShankly wrote:Sorry thats an excuse used way too much. Cisse needs to look at why he has no desire on the pitch. I'm starting to wonder whether he does actually want to be back in a league he can cope with, i.e. the French League. To me its obvious thats where he'll go back to.

Also I have no doubt he play more games for Liverpool this season, Rafa will still rotate the squad - as he always has. Sinama Pongolle will be pleased at the situation as this should open more opportunities for himself, he just needs to make an impact on the games he plays in.

Cisse is way better than crouch and morrientes for all his shortcommings.
All he needs is more games to prove himself... as a striker.And so far he is our leading striker.Why arnt you after morrientes' head?Or crouch?At least cisse can be used in the right wing with his pace if the need arises...imagine crouch on the right

And i bet that you were in the group that wanted baros to leave whilst praising cisse like you are praising pongille now.
After cisse is gone,am sure you will be after pongolles head as morrientes appears untouchable being buddies with rafa an all.

Dont you feel sad when you see Baros play so well for Villa,when your favorite strikers(crouch and morrientes) are doing nothing for the team(they are supposed to score arnt they?).

I just hope you're not a manc trying to incite us against our best striker :angry:

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